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If anyone wants to see this demonstrated, just look at the opening scene of the first episode of Young Sheldon.

Replace ship with model train. One carriage contains a vertical air-driven firing tube to fire a ball upward. Device fires ball up before train enters model tunnel. Ball continues moving at same rate as train, moves over tunnel as train moves under, and drops back into firing tube as train exits tunnel. The ball is not left behind by the train.

I would post a video if I could, but copyright seems to be preventing any appearances on YouTube or suchlike.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax
« on: July 28, 2018, 10:17:56 AM »
Cannot be a plane. Look at the many (hundreds of) videos of "ISS lunar/solar transit"; these events are predicted well in advance, for specific locations. It's not photographers looking up to the sky at random times.

The only way this could occur with this degree of precision is for the object to be an orbital spacecraft, unfettered by considerations of weather, atmospherics, fuelling, piloting/remote control, maintenance, and all the rest. An object with a consistent, predictable orbit, the path of which is known in advance.

Planes cannot do this.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night
« on: July 28, 2018, 07:24:11 AM »
OK, so the papers today are FULL of pictures of the Blood Moon from last night. How does this square up to this "DE, self-lit cylindrical moon with one end of the cylinder pointing toward Earth" jive ... ?


IF the Moon is a cylinder like this, what possible reason is there for it to turn blood red? 

Is it a strategy by "those in control" to make it LOOK as though it's a sphere, passing through Earth's shadow, and illuminated only by refracted light?  Highly, highly unlikely.

Could it be a just be coincidence that it turns itself red at EXACTLY the times and places where RE theory and mechanics asserts that it will be?  Again, highly unlikely.


Isn't the most probable explanation merely the simplest?

It's an orbital sphere, as stated in the textbooks, as orbited and landed upon by the USA, Russia, China, Japan, and India.
It's a solid, as found by those who have bounced lasers and radio signals off it.
It has a slightly irregular orbit with respect to Earth, so we don't see a Blood Red Moon every 28 days.
We're seeing the BRM because this is one of the occasions when the Moon's orbit takes it into a 'sweet spot' opposite the Sun

Job done. Solved.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Global Positioning System
« on: July 27, 2018, 09:17:26 PM »
very high altitude, long range planes (possibly solar powered). 

airplane flights all around the world are already very consistent.  remove the need for cargo, passengers, pilots, etc and you can have flights with pinpoint accuracy.  nasa even has photos of its high altitude planes on there website and even say they are used for "testing GPS equipment"

You cannot have flights with pinpoint accuracy 100% of the time.

... but they don't say they're used for "providing a full GPS service", do they?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The Lunar Module
« on: July 27, 2018, 04:39:57 PM »
You've been given an alternative lunar lander, one that's lighter and safer, why does it not get the job done?

...because a couple of chairs and a frame would appear to provide little in the way of storage for tools, supplies, return of lunar samples, navigation equipment, etc etc.

You appear to be proposing, assuming the retention of a command and service module, that two astronauts would don suits, exit the CSM, get into their "2 seats and a frame" by unspecifed means in order to descend to the surface, and would then use this frame to return to the CSM, where they would enter the CSM by unspecified means. Would you have an airlock on the CSM? Wouldn't this increase its weight? Have you considered how this would impact other aspects, such as fuel requirements, re-entry, etc.?

You're providing a vague, sketchy description, and proposing that everyone accept it at face value because you think the one that was used "doesn't make sense", but in order for us to accept you as competent to rule on this, we need to see what your skills and experience are.

Once again - what was done is a matter of public record. It's not a matter of merely someone "saying so" - there's an unbroken narrative with supporting evidence in multiple forms, along with numerous third-party confirmations, during and after the missions. 

Here's a broad overview of requirements, from a press briefing of the time;

"The NASA/Grumman Apollo Lunar Module (LM) after descending to the lunar surface from lunar orbit, provides a base from which the astronauts explore the landing site and enables the astronauts to take off from the lunar surface to rendezvous and dock with the orbiting Command and Service Modules (CSM).

The ascent stage is designed to:

Provide a controlled environment for the two
astronauts while separated from the CSM.

Provide required visibility for lunar landing,
stay, and ascent; and for rendezvous and docking
with the CM.

Provide for astronaut and equipment transfer
between the LM and CM and between the LM
and the lunar surface.

Protect the astronauts and the equipment from
micrometeoroid penetration.


The descent stage is the unmanned portion of the LM; it represents approximately two-thirds of the weight of the LM at the earth-launch phase. This is because the descent engine is larger than the ascent engine and it requires a much larger propellant
load. Additionally, its larger proportion weight results from necessity of the descent stage to:

(1) Support the entire ascent stage.
(2) Provide for attachment of the landing gear.
(3) Support the complete LM in the SLA.
(4) Provide structure to support the scientific and communications equipment to be used on the lunar surface.
(5) Act as the launching platform of the ascent stage.

= =

How does your design spec cope with, for instance, micrometeoroid penetration, or providing sufficient power for a descent engine, as well as allowing later takeoff for rendezvous?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night
« on: July 27, 2018, 04:28:52 PM »
it is never eclipsed by the Earth. it just gets far enough away that it can't be seen, which would obviously coincide with appearing to be near the Earth.

But surely if it was getting farther away, it would decrease in angular size? It doesn't. Surely if it was going far enough away not to be seen, we would see it diminishing in size? We don't.


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night
« on: July 27, 2018, 04:26:12 PM »
space isn't a constant.

How do you KNOW this, and how would you prove it to everyone here?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night
« on: July 27, 2018, 04:24:46 PM »
OK, so ...

What shape is this 'spotlight'? Does it have any body or substance behind the 'lit face'? What shape is the 'lit face'?
Circular, yes, circular.

So ..... why does it never appear elliptical? If we see the 'lit face' at mid-day, and we can't see this face at night, what has happened inbetween? Has the lit face turned away from us? If so, why didn't we see it as an ellipse as it turned?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The Lunar Module
« on: July 27, 2018, 04:22:13 PM »
So you propose a mobile lunar lander which lands in one spot, moves around, then takes off from a different spot, and which isn't airtight?  How do you make it mobile, but also able to take off?
No. For the love of god have you ever read any of my posts?

Am I obliged to? I'm responding to what you said here, now.
 
Cut out all the unnecessary propaganda rubbish, all it needs to be is a frame with a couple of rockets and seats. That's it. i could carry that around on Earth, in the reduced gravity there's meant to be on the moon it's pretty trivial.

But would that meet the requirements that were expressed and recorded before the mission? Have you studied these requirements?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The Lunar Module
« on: July 27, 2018, 02:58:40 PM »
What you are proposing

>>> I'm not 'proposing' this. It's a matter of record.

is that the lunar lander served as a homebase, and that they went out from it without food or water,

>>> They had water supply in the suits. Humans can last for a few hours without food.

explored, gathered a whole bunch of rocks over a larger area without any feasible way to keep track of which came from where

>>> They knew where they were when they gathered each sample or set of samples. They recorded this by having the main sample sites (stations) mapped out in advance (the area had already been mapped by various lunar orbiters), by telling mission control what they were doing each step of the way, and by photographing some of the samples. I'm not theorising that they might or could do this, it's a matter of record that they did. 

then had to stop and turn around and go back to the lander to eat, spend the night, then go out the next day presumably in a different direction

>>> Sure. Why not? What's the problem with that?

Alternately a lightweight, non-airtight lunar lander is something they could pretty much bring with them. Instead of spending several days wandering back and forth they could just strike out in one direction, and keep going twice as far, likely even more so with replaceable air so the only sticking points are going to be food and water. Sure, they won't be spending days down there, but they still don't need to. You can talk about making the most of it all you want, but there's nothing of significance taht their set-up allows them to do over days that couldn't be done in hours.

So you propose a mobile lunar lander which lands in one spot, moves around, then takes off from a different spot, and which isn't airtight?  How do you make it mobile, but also able to take off? 


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night
« on: July 27, 2018, 12:06:02 PM »
OK, so ...

What shape is this 'spotlight'? Does it have any body or substance behind the 'lit face'? What shape is the 'lit face'?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Water on Mars
« on: July 27, 2018, 09:36:19 AM »
Do I think Earthlings should live on earth? Well now the clue is in the name.

.. but Earthlings can become Marslings, simply by 'moving house'.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night
« on: July 27, 2018, 07:10:59 AM »
That is literally the definition of night. You do not have a straight line view to the Sun's lit face.

Well, my definition is that you don't have a straight line to the sun at all, because the rest of the globe is in the way, and you're in the shadow cast by the Earth when the sun is illuminating the other hemisphere... but are you saying that an observer still has a straight line of sight to the sun, just not to it's 'lit face' ?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The Lunar Module
« on: July 27, 2018, 05:57:16 AM »
there's no need for the lunar module to be a pressure vessel

>> are you suggesting they should have been suited up for the whole duration?

Yes. Do you want a medal?

No, but I think your suggestion is totally impractical.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The Lunar Module
« on: July 26, 2018, 10:05:09 PM »
there's no need for the lunar module to be a pressure vessel

There is, if you want the astronauts to be able to breathe without their suits on. Or are you suggesting they should have been suited up for the whole duration?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night
« on: July 26, 2018, 08:54:26 PM »
You can't reclaim the sight of a ship with a telescope, i've tried.

>> Why not?
 
You'd only be able to see the street light if there was a straight line view from you to the light. if it's night, that's obviously not going to be the case.

>> You have a straight line view in the daytime, but suddenly, as night falls, you don't? Why not?

Ok then, maybe you'd see where the Sun's light reflects off of, the area under the light? Sure. Except the Sun's so far away it seems like it's touching the horizon. it's not a street lamp at the end of a garden, it's a face-down night light.

You sure about that?

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