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Title: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on November 23, 2022, 09:04:01 PM
Believe what you wish. {Eyes wide Shut}

World Premiere

https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on November 23, 2022, 09:28:42 PM
Believe what you wish. {Eyes wide Shut}

World Premiere

https://zombo.com

The vaccine doesn't make you sterile and won't kill you.
The clue is all the arteries and veins they have in that gloved hand.  Why show something like that?  Something perfectly creepy but ultimately not abnormal. (Except for the whole holding them bit)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Clyde Frog on November 23, 2022, 09:50:32 PM
That link in the OP is literally spam.

Quote
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Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on November 23, 2022, 09:54:04 PM
That link in the OP is literally spam.

Quote
This documentary was made possible by Goldco. Protect your wealth by investing in precious metals, and use THIS link to receive up to $10,000 in free silver for qualified accounts: <link redacted>

The Stew Peters Network would not be possible without the loyal and endearing support of all our sponsors. There is something for EVERYONE!

HUGE Black Friday Sales this week, so please support our sponsors who make it possible for the Stew Peters Network to give away ALL of our films and content for FREE!
BLACK FRIDAY SPECIAL! 25% Off EVERYTHING!

Keep your brain sharp with individualized supplements, GO TO: <link redacted>

Prepare your family for famine and shortages by purchasing food through: <link redacted> Use Promocode STEW for great discounts.

Support anti-vax activism, free clinic care for the vaccine injured, and IGF1 for Men’s supplements visit: <link redacted>

Protect yourself from Vaccine Shedding, chemtrails, and toxic air. Personalized Protection that WORKS! Visit <link redacted> Use Promocode STEW for 10% OFF

CACOA is a super food that Big Agriculture doesn’t want you to know about: Keto, Paleo, and ALL NATURAL COCAO. Buy it now: <link redacted>

The Solution to Pain Management that Big Pharma doesn’t want you to know about: CBD! Go to: <link redacted> Use Promocode STEW20 for 20% off

Trying to lose weight? It starts with your gut health. Get your metabolism back in order, cleanse with this protocol: <link redacted>

Well yeah.  What, you think they aren't trying to make money or something?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Clyde Frog on November 23, 2022, 10:01:58 PM
Oh of course, making money on scams, it's the grifter way. People like J-man keep the coffers full!
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Pete Svarrior on November 24, 2022, 01:37:56 AM
That link in the OP is literally spam.
Agreed and redacted accordingly.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 25, 2022, 09:36:22 PM
I haven't seen this yet, but apparently it's pretty popular, despite being censored by Social Media.

National File: 5 Million Watch Stew Peters’ New ‘Died Suddenly’ Film in First 24 Hours, Smashing Left-Wing Censors (https://nationalfile.com/5-million-watch-stew-peters-new-died-suddenly-film-in-first-24-hours-smashing-left-wing-censors/)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on November 26, 2022, 12:09:10 AM
I guess Stew Peters is going to make a bunch of money with his video advertisement for his "buy Gold" pamphlets disguised as an actual fact based "documentary". Just shows a sucker is born everyday - A modern day snake oil salesman he is.

Buy some gold from him and protect yourself from the NWO population control death panel cabal. Seems totally rational.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 26, 2022, 12:19:54 AM
I guess Stew Peters is going to make a bunch of money with his video advertisement for his "buy Gold" pamphlets disguised as an actual fact based "documentary". Just shows a sucker is born everyday - A modern day snake oil salesman he is.

Buy some gold from him and protect yourself from the NWO population control death panel cabal. Seems totally rational.

Seeing as almost every major media outlet has advertisements, this is a rather poor argument. It appears that you do not actually have a legitimate argument.

Just today CNN popped up a full page advertisement over a news article, telling me that the deals are going to expire in 4 hours, so I better click on their link (https://www.cnn.com/cnn-underscored/deals/best-black-friday-deals-2022-11-25?UTMsource=WK_BounceX_BF22_overlay) and use their referrals to start buying now.

(https://i.imgur.com/t5HSz8W.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on November 26, 2022, 12:50:37 AM
Most central banks have Gold and or Silver as Tier 1 assets. A lot of financial advisers I've heard recommend 5-10% of portfolios in same. I think he peddles long term store-able food up to 30 years also. I own enough for 4 peeps to eat for a year. The other products he pushes I'm not personally interested and never bought from him.

Dig a little. Stillbirths are thru the roof since the clot shot I hear.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on November 26, 2022, 05:58:51 AM
I guess Stew Peters is going to make a bunch of money with his video advertisement for his "buy Gold" pamphlets disguised as an actual fact based "documentary". Just shows a sucker is born everyday - A modern day snake oil salesman he is.

Buy some gold from him and protect yourself from the NWO population control death panel cabal. Seems totally rational.

Seeing as almost every major media outlet has advertisements, this is a rather poor argument. It appears that you do not actually have a legitimate argument.

Now for the legit argument from McGill University:

The Anti-Vaccine Documentary Died Suddenly Wants You to Feel, Not Think (https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking/anti-vaccine-documentary-died-suddenly-wants-you-feel-not-think)

Members of the anti-vaccination movement and of its media arm excel at portraying themselves as “those who care.” The rest of us—scientists, doctors, politicians, journalists—are represented as either apathetic or simply evil. The latest “documentary” to emerge from this movement, Died Suddenly, is an exercise in reframing compassion. It also represents the apogee of conspiritualist ideas, where grand conspiracy theories surrounding vaccines are painted on a canvas so large, they involve a Biblical war between the forces of absolute good and those of pure evil.

Who are portrayed as ringing the alarm for Armageddon in Died Suddenly? Embalmers.


The documentary’s smoking gun is the alleged discovery of long, white, fibrous clots in the deceased bodies of people who, we are told, got vaccinated against COVID-19. Sometimes, their blood also looks dirty, like it contains coffee grounds. This claim seems to have originated from Richard Hirschman, an embalmer in Alabama, who spoke about it to The Epoch Times, a frequent vehicle for misinformation and grand conspiracy theories. Hirschman and a few other embalmers testify to their findings in Died Suddenly, with some being blurred out, their voices altered, like they are sharing secrets so damning they’re about to be shipped to their local witness protection program.

The problem is that embalmers and funeral directors are not medical professionals. Don’t take it from me, but from the National Funeral Directors Association in the United States, whose representative told me as much, and from Ben Schmidt, a funeral director and embalmer with a bachelor’s degree in natural science. Schmidt wrote a detailed explanation of what is happening here. Clots can easily form after death, as the liquid and solid parts of blood separate and as formaldehyde and calcium-containing water used in the embalming process catalyze clotting. Refrigeration can also be to blame, especially when a rapid influx of bodies due to COVID necessitates longer stays in the cooler as embalmers make their way through their backlog.


The article goes on to explain...

As anatomical pathology specialist Irene Sansano told a fact-checking website, the clots shown by Hirschman do not look different from the ones pathologists regularly see in blood clot autopsies at the hospital.

But if the sight of strings of clotted material isn’t scary enough, Died Suddenly is willing to make its title even more manifest by showing us rapid-fire montages of people fainting and seemingly dropping dead. Out of context, these videos are distressing. However, The Real Truther account on Twitter has demonstrated that many of them are not what they seem. The woman who passes out and falls into a moving train? Her name is Candela. She fainted because of low blood pressure and survived with a fractured skull. That young basketball player who collapses on the court? His name is Keyontae Johnson, and his fainting took place on December 12, 2020, before the COVID-19 vaccines were readily available. He has since been medically cleared to play and recently signed with Kansas State. These people are not dead. To borrow a phrase from the conspiracy playbook, we have been lied to.


The video is just fear mongering garbage to scare retirees into buying gold to stave off the non-existent evil NWO cabal that lurks among the coastal elite establishment. That's all it is. Garbage.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on November 26, 2022, 08:58:06 AM
If this is such a legit movie, why would they need to have a montage of people fainting and surviving (or fainting before covid) while talking about peopoe dying suddenly?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on November 26, 2022, 02:07:41 PM
If this is such a legit movie, why would they need to have a montage of people fainting and surviving (or fainting before covid) while talking about peopoe dying suddenly?

Good point Dave, I have a sneaky suspicion it's not legit at all!  :o
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on November 26, 2022, 02:23:01 PM
If this is such a legit movie, why would they need to have a montage of people fainting and surviving (or fainting before covid) while talking about peopoe dying suddenly?

Good point Dave, I have a sneaky suspicion it's not legit at all!  :o

But 5 million morons free-thinkers have already watched it and zero bots.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on November 26, 2022, 02:33:25 PM
https://prepareforchange.net/2022/02/03/the-die-off-is-here-life-insurance-payouts-skyrocket-258-as-post-vaccine-deaths-rapidly-accelerate/


"THE DIE-OFF IS HERE: Life insurance payouts skyrocket 258% as post-vaccine deaths rapidly accelerate"
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on November 26, 2022, 02:52:36 PM
https://prepareforchange.net/2022/11/12/in-a-2013-trial-of-over-200000-people-testing-mrna-based-medication-less-than-5-are-alive-today/

"In A 2013 Trial Of Over 200,000 People Testing mRNA-Based Medication – Less Than 5 Are Alive Today"

(https://prepareforchange.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/oct-2021-capsule1-man-facemask-getting-vaccinated-clinic.jpeg)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on November 26, 2022, 03:27:15 PM
https://prepareforchange.net/2022/11/12/in-a-2013-trial-of-over-200000-people-testing-mrna-based-medication-less-than-5-are-alive-today/

"In A 2013 Trial Of Over 200,000 People Testing mRNA-Based Medication – Less Than 5 Are Alive Today"

(https://prepareforchange.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/oct-2021-capsule1-man-facemask-getting-vaccinated-clinic.jpeg)

I feel like the giant "DONATE!" banner you immediately see might be something of a red flag with this one.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on November 26, 2022, 08:37:01 PM
"Prepareforchange dot whatever"... is part of the Sisterhood of the Rose and somehow associated with some guru named Cobra:

What is the Prepare for Change Network?
A global network of Event Support and Sisterhood of the Rose Groups has formed out of the participants who joined through the website.


At inception the website invited other followers of Cobra to join the Network and Groups to Prepare for the Event and help create the New Society.

Basically some sort of Qanon-esque wannabe.

All you have to do is listen to the first 30 seconds of this whacko galactic age of Aquarius portal discussion with "Cobra" and to get the drift just how insane this group is and how ridiculous their "articles" are...

https://youtu.be/xCuLD8lE1T8

Here's Cobra's site with an opening blog post excerpt from a few days ago. Beware...

http://2012portal.blogspot.com/

There was a huge escalation between the Chimera group and the Light Forces on October 15th, and extraordinary measures were taken. The situation was spiraling out of control, and since the Light Forces around the Earth could not contain the situation anymore, urgent reinforcements from Andromeda galaxy who are experts in dealing with the Chimera group sprang into action.

Yep, totally legit...C'mon J-Man, seriously? How do you find this nonsense?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on November 26, 2022, 09:05:50 PM
Maybe the reinforcements from the Andromeda Galaxy will help us overcome the horrors wrought by the vaccine too.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: AATW on November 26, 2022, 09:48:32 PM
I haven't seen this yet, but apparently it's pretty popular, despite being censored by Social Media.
So?

Whacky conspiracy theory bollocks being popular doesn’t make it true.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on November 26, 2022, 10:43:23 PM
Most central banks have Gold and or Silver as Tier 1 assets. A lot of financial advisers I've heard recommend 5-10% of portfolios in same. I think he peddles long term store-able food up to 30 years also. I own enough for 4 peeps to eat for a year. The other products he pushes I'm not personally interested and never bought from him.

Dig a little. Stillbirths are thru the roof since the clot shot I hear.
I dug to the last page of the google search.

Nothing.  Perhaps you need to find out where you heard it and tell me.


https://prepareforchange.net/2022/11/12/in-a-2013-trial-of-over-200000-people-testing-mrna-based-medication-less-than-5-are-alive-today/

"In A 2013 Trial Of Over 200,000 People Testing mRNA-Based Medication – Less Than 5 Are Alive Today"

(https://prepareforchange.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/oct-2021-capsule1-man-facemask-getting-vaccinated-clinic.jpeg)
He's had 3 strokes.  If his brain isn't scrambled, he's REALLY lucky.  Typcially stroke survivors have some kind of brain damage.  He doesn't appear to have any.

Also, pretty sure they don't test drugs on people who don't have the thing the drug is supposed to cure.

Also also: As a member of the drug trial, he shouldn't know the results.  He shouldn't know that only 5 people are left alive.  That info is NOT given to participants.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on November 27, 2022, 12:31:04 AM
Stillbirths were actually up slightly in 2021. Like, 0.3 out of every 1000. It would be silly to just attribute this to the vaccine, of course, but one way or the other I think humanity will survive.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on November 27, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
https://rairfoundation.com/exposed-leaked-hospital-email-reveals-explosion-of-stillbirths-video/
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on November 27, 2022, 08:07:36 PM
https://rairfoundation.com/exposed-leaked-hospital-email-reveals-explosion-of-stillbirths-video/

Lol, 28 out of 29 women lost their baby, that would be impossible to cover up, just how gullible are you?  :D
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on November 27, 2022, 08:12:41 PM
https://rairfoundation.com/exposed-leaked-hospital-email-reveals-explosion-of-stillbirths-video/

1,300 publicated, peer reviewed docuemtns and yet not a single one linked... Go figure.

Also, Wasn't the doctor in St. Louis?
https://www.sharecare.com/doctor/dr-james-thorp
Or is this a different one?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: markjo on November 28, 2022, 12:22:52 AM
Which hospital had all those stillbirths?  I didn't catch the name in the article.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on November 28, 2022, 01:01:17 AM
https://yournews.com/2022/11/06/2446947/leaked-hospital-email-reveals-that-stillbirths-are-skyrocketing-post-vaccines/

Ethan Huff goes on to report that, “According to Dr. James Thorpe, a Florida physician who specializes in maternal-fetal medicine, the contents of the leaked email are consistent with the findings of more than 1,300 peer-reviewed papers that have been published in the last 15 months. Severe complications and death are both common outcomes post-injection for the Chinese Flu. Only a fraction of these cases appears in the government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), however. ‘This shot was designed to cross into the ovary; this shot was designed to cross into the brain barrier. This shot was designed to go everywhere,’ revealed Dr. Chris Alan Shoemaker in a powerful speech on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Canada. ‘And that’s why people are dying in such strange circumstances, unexplained circumstances, and the numbers are horrific. Sixty-seven percent of people who get the vaccine while pregnant lose the pregnancy.’ It turns out that Pfizer’s own internal documentation shows that the figure is even higher, with 28 out of 29 pregnant women losing their babies after getting jabbed for the Wuhan Flu.

https://rumble.com/vru732-dr.-james-thorp-on-medical-censorship.html
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on November 28, 2022, 01:50:49 AM
"Sixty-seven percent of people who get the vaccine while pregnant lose the pregnancy"

Really? From where is this stat coming from?

"the contents of the leaked email are consistent with the findings of more than 1,300 peer-reviewed papers that have been published in the last 15 months."

Really? 1,300? That's a lot of papers, let alone a lot peer reviewing. With so many, how come not a single one is cited? With 1,300 of them, how come I can't find a single one?

I did find this actual study from the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology
Available online 3 November 2022:

Reductions in stillbirths and preterm birth in COVID-19 vaccinated women: a multi-center cohort study of vaccination uptake and perinatal outcomes (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002937822008821)
Abstract:
COVID-19 infection in pregnancy is associated with a higher risk of progression to severe disease, but vaccine uptake by pregnant women is hindered by persistent safety concerns.
Conclusions:
COVID-19 vaccination during pregnancy was associated with a reduction in stillbirth and preterm birth, and not associated with any adverse impacts on fetal growth or development.

Do you just fall for this stuff blindly or do you actually look into these things and see if they are valid or not?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 28, 2022, 10:13:38 AM
I guess Stew Peters is going to make a bunch of money with his video advertisement for his "buy Gold" pamphlets disguised as an actual fact based "documentary". Just shows a sucker is born everyday - A modern day snake oil salesman he is.

Buy some gold from him and protect yourself from the NWO population control death panel cabal. Seems totally rational.

Seeing as almost every major media outlet has advertisements, this is a rather poor argument. It appears that you do not actually have a legitimate argument.

Now for the legit argument from McGill University:

The Anti-Vaccine Documentary Died Suddenly Wants You to Feel, Not Think (https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking/anti-vaccine-documentary-died-suddenly-wants-you-feel-not-think)

Members of the anti-vaccination movement and of its media arm excel at portraying themselves as “those who care.” The rest of us—scientists, doctors, politicians, journalists—are represented as either apathetic or simply evil. The latest “documentary” to emerge from this movement, Died Suddenly, is an exercise in reframing compassion. It also represents the apogee of conspiritualist ideas, where grand conspiracy theories surrounding vaccines are painted on a canvas so large, they involve a Biblical war between the forces of absolute good and those of pure evil.

Who are portrayed as ringing the alarm for Armageddon in Died Suddenly? Embalmers.


The documentary’s smoking gun is the alleged discovery of long, white, fibrous clots in the deceased bodies of people who, we are told, got vaccinated against COVID-19. Sometimes, their blood also looks dirty, like it contains coffee grounds. This claim seems to have originated from Richard Hirschman, an embalmer in Alabama, who spoke about it to The Epoch Times, a frequent vehicle for misinformation and grand conspiracy theories. Hirschman and a few other embalmers testify to their findings in Died Suddenly, with some being blurred out, their voices altered, like they are sharing secrets so damning they’re about to be shipped to their local witness protection program.

The problem is that embalmers and funeral directors are not medical professionals. Don’t take it from me, but from the National Funeral Directors Association in the United States, whose representative told me as much, and from Ben Schmidt, a funeral director and embalmer with a bachelor’s degree in natural science. Schmidt wrote a detailed explanation of what is happening here. Clots can easily form after death, as the liquid and solid parts of blood separate and as formaldehyde and calcium-containing water used in the embalming process catalyze clotting. Refrigeration can also be to blame, especially when a rapid influx of bodies due to COVID necessitates longer stays in the cooler as embalmers make their way through their backlog.


This debunk is rather poor, even for your usual material. It does not attempt to perform any investigation whatsoever into the claims of the embalmers that they are encountering more clots than usual. This review claims that embalmers are not legitimate professionals to cite because they are "not medical professionals" and then immediately contradicts itself by citing an embalmer as an authority on how clots form.

No attempt is made to study the original claims and determine if there are more than usual, or if embalmers are claiming more difficulty in embalming bodies as claimed in the film.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on November 28, 2022, 10:55:25 AM
I guess Stew Peters is going to make a bunch of money with his video advertisement for his "buy Gold" pamphlets disguised as an actual fact based "documentary". Just shows a sucker is born everyday - A modern day snake oil salesman he is.

Buy some gold from him and protect yourself from the NWO population control death panel cabal. Seems totally rational.

Seeing as almost every major media outlet has advertisements, this is a rather poor argument. It appears that you do not actually have a legitimate argument.

Now for the legit argument from McGill University:

The Anti-Vaccine Documentary Died Suddenly Wants You to Feel, Not Think (https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking/anti-vaccine-documentary-died-suddenly-wants-you-feel-not-think)

Members of the anti-vaccination movement and of its media arm excel at portraying themselves as “those who care.” The rest of us—scientists, doctors, politicians, journalists—are represented as either apathetic or simply evil. The latest “documentary” to emerge from this movement, Died Suddenly, is an exercise in reframing compassion. It also represents the apogee of conspiritualist ideas, where grand conspiracy theories surrounding vaccines are painted on a canvas so large, they involve a Biblical war between the forces of absolute good and those of pure evil.

Who are portrayed as ringing the alarm for Armageddon in Died Suddenly? Embalmers.


The documentary’s smoking gun is the alleged discovery of long, white, fibrous clots in the deceased bodies of people who, we are told, got vaccinated against COVID-19. Sometimes, their blood also looks dirty, like it contains coffee grounds. This claim seems to have originated from Richard Hirschman, an embalmer in Alabama, who spoke about it to The Epoch Times, a frequent vehicle for misinformation and grand conspiracy theories. Hirschman and a few other embalmers testify to their findings in Died Suddenly, with some being blurred out, their voices altered, like they are sharing secrets so damning they’re about to be shipped to their local witness protection program.

The problem is that embalmers and funeral directors are not medical professionals. Don’t take it from me, but from the National Funeral Directors Association in the United States, whose representative told me as much, and from Ben Schmidt, a funeral director and embalmer with a bachelor’s degree in natural science. Schmidt wrote a detailed explanation of what is happening here. Clots can easily form after death, as the liquid and solid parts of blood separate and as formaldehyde and calcium-containing water used in the embalming process catalyze clotting. Refrigeration can also be to blame, especially when a rapid influx of bodies due to COVID necessitates longer stays in the cooler as embalmers make their way through their backlog.


This debunk is rather poor, even for your usual material. It does not attempt to perform any investigation whatsoever into the claims of the embalmers that they are encountering more and odder clots than usual. This review claims that embalmers are not legitimate professionals to cite because they are "not medical professionals" and then immediately contradicts itself by citing an embalmer as an authority on how clots form.

No attempt is made to study the original claims and determine if there are more or odder clots than usual, or if embalmers are claiming more difficulty in embalming bodies.

Since the original claim came from one person, bit hard to verify without calling up other embalmers.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on November 28, 2022, 01:57:32 PM
I guess Stew Peters is going to make a bunch of money with his video advertisement for his "buy Gold" pamphlets disguised as an actual fact based "documentary". Just shows a sucker is born everyday - A modern day snake oil salesman he is.

Buy some gold from him and protect yourself from the NWO population control death panel cabal. Seems totally rational.

Seeing as almost every major media outlet has advertisements, this is a rather poor argument. It appears that you do not actually have a legitimate argument.

Now for the legit argument from McGill University:

The Anti-Vaccine Documentary Died Suddenly Wants You to Feel, Not Think (https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking/anti-vaccine-documentary-died-suddenly-wants-you-feel-not-think)

Members of the anti-vaccination movement and of its media arm excel at portraying themselves as “those who care.” The rest of us—scientists, doctors, politicians, journalists—are represented as either apathetic or simply evil. The latest “documentary” to emerge from this movement, Died Suddenly, is an exercise in reframing compassion. It also represents the apogee of conspiritualist ideas, where grand conspiracy theories surrounding vaccines are painted on a canvas so large, they involve a Biblical war between the forces of absolute good and those of pure evil.

Who are portrayed as ringing the alarm for Armageddon in Died Suddenly? Embalmers.


The documentary’s smoking gun is the alleged discovery of long, white, fibrous clots in the deceased bodies of people who, we are told, got vaccinated against COVID-19. Sometimes, their blood also looks dirty, like it contains coffee grounds. This claim seems to have originated from Richard Hirschman, an embalmer in Alabama, who spoke about it to The Epoch Times, a frequent vehicle for misinformation and grand conspiracy theories. Hirschman and a few other embalmers testify to their findings in Died Suddenly, with some being blurred out, their voices altered, like they are sharing secrets so damning they’re about to be shipped to their local witness protection program.

The problem is that embalmers and funeral directors are not medical professionals. Don’t take it from me, but from the National Funeral Directors Association in the United States, whose representative told me as much, and from Ben Schmidt, a funeral director and embalmer with a bachelor’s degree in natural science. Schmidt wrote a detailed explanation of what is happening here. Clots can easily form after death, as the liquid and solid parts of blood separate and as formaldehyde and calcium-containing water used in the embalming process catalyze clotting. Refrigeration can also be to blame, especially when a rapid influx of bodies due to COVID necessitates longer stays in the cooler as embalmers make their way through their backlog.


This debunk is rather poor, even for your usual material. It does not attempt to perform any investigation whatsoever into the claims of the embalmers that they are encountering more clots than usual. This review claims that embalmers are not legitimate professionals to cite because they are "not medical professionals" and then immediately contradicts itself by citing an embalmer as an authority on how clots form.

No attempt is made to study the original claims and determine if there are more than usual, or if embalmers are claiming more difficulty in embalming bodies as claimed in the film.

Tom trusting embalmers over doctors is peak hypocrisy. See Roundy’s signature for more.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on November 28, 2022, 08:50:47 PM
No attempt is made to study the original claims and determine if there are more than usual, or if embalmers are claiming more difficulty in embalming bodies as claimed in the film.

Embalmers Do Not Know Vaccination Status (https://www.techarp.com/facts/embalmers-vaccine-blood-clots/)

Richard Hirschman makes a point of stating that he started tracking in November 2021 how many times he finds strange clots in the bodies he embalms, and their vaccination status.

He even coloured coded his data, using green for people who were verified to be vaccinated. In this screenshot, you can see that he even remarked that one of them was vaccinated 4 times.

How did Hirschman know they were vaccinated? The death certificate does not list the deceased’s vaccination status. An embalmer also wouldn’t have access to the deceased’s medical records.

He would have to personally ask the family members of the deceased about his/her vaccination status, which he never alluded to. As Ben Schmidt (Ben Schmidt, a funeral director and embalmer with a bachelor’s degree in natural science) explains:


Quote
It would also be extremely unusual for an embalmer to know someone’s medical history unless they were closely related to the deceased person. It has been my experience that embalming often takes place before a specific cause of death is communicated to the embalmer let alone their vaccination records.

Most Of His Own Data Not Linked To Vaccination

Even if you take his word for it that he somehow knew the vaccination status of the dead bodies, his own data showed that they accounted for only 16 out of about 118 dead bodies.

So why did he include the other 102 bodies whose COVID-19 vaccination status he did not know?


Plus a ton more actual medical information regarding blood clots in post-mortem setting, effects of embalming, cold storage, etc. Emphasis on actual medical information.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 29, 2022, 09:42:17 AM
Seeing as this is exactly what they loudly and repeatedly claimed in the film, this is a pretty weak argument. They did not have complete vaccination statuses but claimed that they were seeing more clots and were having a harder time embalming bodies, since 2021.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on November 29, 2022, 10:18:19 AM
It's not possible to measure vaccine side effects by simply Googling news reports. As Dr Frank Han, a US cardiologist says, it can "give you pieces of the puzzle, but actual medical training is necessary to link all the pieces of how the body works together".
Long stretches of the film involve gruesome images of clots being pulled out of bodies, designed to suggest Covid vaccines are having alarming effects.
When people feel afraid or disgusted they might be more likely to leap to conclusions. But these images can't tell us anything on their own.
Firstly, they are mostly based on the testimony of one embalmer with no indication this is a wider concern.
And, Dr Han explains, it's "insufficient to establish why the clots are there".
Blood clots are commonly found in dead bodies and are caused by a range of things from smoking to being bed-bound to having Covid-19.


You like experts, right? Well I think I'll go with a Doctor over an embalmer.

Although the voiceover claims the data is from Waterloo, Canada, genuine data from Ontario, the province Waterloo is part of, has not seen any increase in stillbirths, according to Dr Victoria Male, a reproductive immunologist.

Hmmm, perhaps a false claim?

The film flashes through dozens of upsetting news reports and images of people collapsing.

One headline reads: "My kind, compassionate son died unexpectedly." Another clip shows a young athlete dramatically keeling over.
Together, this can easily be used to paint an alarming picture of something suspicious going on.
Yet just a couple more clicks would reveal the son in question died in a car crash. And the athlete, college basketball player Keyontae Johnson, collapsed in December 2020 before he could even have had a Covid vaccine. He didn't die suddenly as the title suggests - he returned to the court last week.


Hmm, yet more false claims? Kinda gives the impression that the producers of the 'buy gold NOW" documentary aren't entirely concerned with the truth or facts.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: AATW on November 29, 2022, 11:32:22 AM
You like experts, right?
He does if they back up what he wants to believe. If they don't then not so much.
In fact, if someone backs up what he wants to believe then he doesn't care what their level of expertise is. You know how he operates.
This thread is full of clear bullshit and disinformation, only people will certain agendas or mindsets would fall for it.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on November 30, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
"Died Suddenly," is just another way of reporting the natural results of the baby boomer population (1945-1965). People from this age group are beginning the next phase of the life cycle. The speed of media fuels the rest of the fear. Weak sites like this, a refuge for DARPA bots, simply pile on.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on December 06, 2022, 10:00:44 PM
Hang in there Al..Not a clot shot?

"The holiday marked the first time in 27 years that Roker was not part of NBC's coverage of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade last week."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/al-roker-hospitalized-again-blood-clots-hoda-kotb-today/

"Today" show anchor Al Roker has returned to the hospital as he continues to recover from blood clots in his legs and lungs."
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 06, 2022, 10:06:35 PM
Hang in there Al..Not a clot shot?

"The holiday marked the first time in 27 years that Roker was not part of NBC's coverage of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade last week."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/al-roker-hospitalized-again-blood-clots-hoda-kotb-today/

"Today" show anchor Al Roker has returned to the hospital as he continues to recover from blood clots in his legs and lungs."

Al Roker, healthiest man alive. From the same article:

Roker has had a host of medical problems. Two years ago, he announced he had prostate cancer and had to have an organ removed. He's also had surgeries to fix issues with his hip and knees.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on December 08, 2022, 12:16:56 AM
won't be able to hide the sudden deaths

https://twitter.com/i/status/1600384620578557955
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: markjo on December 08, 2022, 01:59:57 AM
won't be able to hide the sudden deaths
Seems like they've been doing a pretty good job so far.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 08, 2022, 05:41:09 AM
I guess the assumption is that people don't die anymore?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Pete Svarrior on December 08, 2022, 08:55:37 AM
won't be able to hide the sudden deaths
Seems like they've been doing a pretty good job so far.
No, he's right. They won't be able to hide all the sudden deaths. Therefore, there must be an alternative explanation for why no sudden deaths are observed.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on December 08, 2022, 09:42:11 AM
won't be able to hide the sudden deaths

https://twitter.com/i/status/1600384620578557955

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/lifestyle/woman-suddenly-drops-dead-while-working-out-at-gym/news-story/43c6467b6c52dd5544335adb262d8d72?amp

What I want to know is why you think this is vaccine related without knowing anything about her medical history or cause of death.

What, do you think people never died suddenly before 2021?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rushy on December 08, 2022, 02:51:25 PM
When hundreds of thousands of people were blatantly dying of covid, that was just a hoax, no big deal, not my problem.

Now a handful of people die of a heart attack, conspiracy cover up, they won't be able to hide the deaths forever, why won't anyone take me seriously?

Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on December 08, 2022, 09:55:03 PM
When hundreds of thousands of people were blatantly dying of covid, that was just a hoax, no big deal, not my problem.

Now a handful of people die of a heart attack, conspiracy cover up, they won't be able to hide the deaths forever, why won't anyone take me seriously?
It's all about the narrative.

Which is so... so ironic.

Or is that Hypocritical?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on December 15, 2022, 02:06:03 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/german-data-analyst-reveals-data-health-insurance-shows-increase-sudden-deaths-following-covid-vaccine-rollouts/

More proof the bodies are piling up.

"German Data Analyst Reveals Data from Health Insurance Shows 4 Times Increase in Sudden Deaths Following COVID Vaccine Rollouts"
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on December 15, 2022, 05:54:40 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/german-data-analyst-reveals-data-health-insurance-shows-increase-sudden-deaths-following-covid-vaccine-rollouts/

More proof the bodies are piling up.

"German Data Analyst Reveals Data from Health Insurance Shows 4 Times Increase in Sudden Deaths Following COVID Vaccine Rollouts"

You'll have to forgive me for not believing a site that links to another site thats the same thing and not linking to the actual data from the official site.
I'm not gonna trust that their graphs are accurate.  Especially since the gateway pundit doesn't even bother to mark the graph it shows.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 15, 2022, 10:57:45 AM
The article, if one can actually call anything from the gateway pundit an 'article', references the “Kassenärztliche Bundesvereinigung (KBV).

Here's an official post from the KBV from their site:

Statement of the KBV Board of Directors
Regarding statements made during a press conference by the AfD parliamentary group on December 12, 2022
12/12/2022 - "There must be discussions and debates, but not in such a way that numbers are interpreted into something that they simply cannot give," explained Dr. Andreas Gassen, Chairman of the Board of Directors of the National Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians, also on behalf of his board colleagues Dr. Stephen Hofmeister and Dr. Thomas Kriedel. The KBV board thus took a position on today's statements at a press conference of the AfD parliamentary group in Berlin.

The KBV board makes it clear: Based on the accounting data or ICD-10 codes transmitted by the KBV to the AfD, no causal connections can be established between COVID-19 vaccinations and deaths. From the point of view of the KBV, the increase in deaths shown in quarters I-IV 2021 and quarter I 2022 is largely due to excess mortality caused by the pandemic. This once again illustrates the importance of the COVID-19 vaccination as an effective measure to prevent severe forms of the disease and even death. Without the vaccination, the excess mortality would probably have been far higher.

https://www.kbv.de/html/2022_61368.php
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 15, 2022, 05:39:17 PM
The source you provided makes no attempt to claim that the data is false, but lays blame on Covid. According to this narrative the 2020 pandemic became far more dangerous in 2021, in line with the vaccine rollouts:

(https://i.imgur.com/egeH3wd.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 15, 2022, 05:52:50 PM
Yeah, Delta was a bitch. Good thing we had the vaccines or those yellow bars would have been twice as tall.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on December 15, 2022, 09:30:32 PM
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/blob151222031747.webp)

Billions will die...Bodies stacking up, more body bags needed.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/breaking-thailand-princess-next-line-throne-hospitalized-collapsing-running-due-heart-condition/
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on December 15, 2022, 09:59:52 PM
Can't hide the fact they got ya good...

I love you Celine.... Will miss your voice !

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/12/celine-dion-75.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=933)

https://nypost.com/2022/12/08/celine-dion-cancels-tours-over-incurable-neurological-disorder/

Céline Dion Adverse Shot Reaction? New Death Jab Side Effects! Stiff Person Syndrome Listed In Pfizer Docs

https://rumble.com/v20iags-new-death-jab-side-effects-stiff-person-syndrome-listed-in-pfizer-docs.html
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on December 15, 2022, 10:10:43 PM
https://people.com/politics/sean-casten-family-says-teenage-daughter-gwen-died-of-sudden-cardiac-arrhythmia/

(https://people.com/thmb/l6_Gf-CPuMt3nymwJco_jE-aIL8=/750x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(824x409:826x411):format(webp)/gwen-casten-324c018af1374feda97ee0ba9a1a1ef5.jpg)

 "Gwen was a healthy 2022 teenager," the statement read, noting that she "ate well, exercised, got regular check-ups, didn't suffer from any behavioral health issues, and had close relationships with family and friends."

The family said that she was fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and "quarantined after occasional positive, asymptomatic COVID tests during the omicron wave." At the time of her death, they added, "She had just come home from an evening with friends, went to bed and didn't wake up."
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 15, 2022, 10:17:34 PM
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/blob151222031747.webp)

Billions will die...Bodies stacking up, more body bags needed.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/breaking-thailand-princess-next-line-throne-hospitalized-collapsing-running-due-heart-condition/

I guess everyone on the planet with a heart condition got it from a vaccine?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Pete Svarrior on December 16, 2022, 12:32:54 AM
I'd just like to know when all these billions will be dead. Overpopulation is a bitch, so I look forward to it
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on December 16, 2022, 02:11:11 AM
I'd just like to know when all these billions will be dead. Overpopulation is a bitch, so I look forward to it

Hopefully you got your Jab and can contribute to the well being of the purebloods.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on December 16, 2022, 06:26:31 AM
I'd just like to know when all these billions will be dead. Overpopulation is a bitch, so I look forward to it

Hopefully you got your Jab and can contribute to the well being of the purebloods.

Its a valid queastion.  Plenty of people have died suddenly long before covid.  Hell, I know two personally.  Healthy (one in 20s, one in late 30s), one exercized reguarly and they just... Died.  One of a stroke while walking from his car(blood clot), the other from a heart attack while watching his son's football game.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on December 21, 2022, 01:58:45 AM
RIP The Babydoll Beauty Couture founder

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/jamie-lopez-super-sized-salon-1420x798-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on December 21, 2022, 02:01:23 AM
Top Australian Doctor Who Advocated for COVID Vaccine Finally Breaks Her Silence – Says Doctors are Censored – Reveals She and Her Wife Both Suffer Serious COVID Shot Injuries

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Kerryn-Phelps.jpg)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on December 21, 2022, 05:40:47 AM
He said with no linking evidence.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on December 21, 2022, 04:37:23 PM
There is no such thing as mRNA technology. It simply does not work. What K. Kariko did, back in 2005, is to substitute Pseudouridine (a nucleoside) for Uracil (a nucleobase). However, there is a huge problem: Pseudouridine is a chiral isomer (an isomer of Uridine). At first, unlike the mRNA which was destroyed immediately by the immune system, they noticed that cmRNA (chemically modified RNA, or modRNA) is not. They did not realize that humanity had met before with a pathogen which was coded with Pseudouridine, the very reason why the immune system did not annihilate the cmRNA at once. It has everything to do with transgenerational epigenetics.

Therefore, the cmRNA "vaccines" have nothing to do with the pathogen called Sars-Cov-2. Sars-Cov-2 is coded with four nucleobases, among which we find Uracil. By contrast, the genetic code of the cmRNA vaccines has been modified: Uracil has been replaced with Pseudouridine 100%. No relationship whatsoever between the two genetic codes.

Delta was caused by two lethal antibodies: REGN10987 and B38. Here, then, is the mechanism of the cmRNA vaccine: the immune system will be sabotaged to create mostly binding ISOMERIC ANTIBODIES, and less of the "normal" abs (including the two lethal abs described above). That is how they were able to claim, "less severe cases of Covid-19". However, now, the persons who got the vaccines have these large quantities of isomeric abs (including the isomeric version of the lethal abs) in their organisms. Misfolded abs (beta sheet prions as opposed to alpha helix prions) lead to certain problems. Both REGN10987 and B38 have an IgG format.

Omicron is Mers-Cov-2, without its prion domain having been activated.

Both Delta and Omicron are mycobacteria (M. avium and M. influenzae) and not viruses.

Alpha helix peptides, proteolytic enzymes (such as bromelaine) are helpful to deal with both Sars-Cov-2 and cmRNA.

Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 21, 2022, 09:58:48 PM
Both Delta and Omicron are mycobacteria (M. avium and M. influenzae) and not viruses.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence for this across the virology experts in the world. Where'd you come up with this notion? Are you a virologist?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on December 22, 2022, 06:19:17 AM
Theory:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348357613_Article_title_Hypothesis_of_Potential_Evolution_of_SARS-CoV-2_through_Hybridization_of_SARS-CoV-1_with_Saccharomyces_cerevisiae_and_Mycobacterium_avium_naturally_inside_an_immunocompromised_Pangolin

https://www.scienceopen.com/hosted-document?doi=10.14293/S2199-1006.1.SOR-.PPDO2ZU.v1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7131758/

https://www.researchgate.net/post/COVID-19_CCTCGGCGGGCACGT_PRRAR_AA_Furin_cleavage_site_at_23603-23617_of_the_MN908947_Genbank_Genome_Matches_Mostly_Bacteria_COVID-19_in_BLAST

Practice:

https://www.academia.edu/43416919/How_BCG_Vaccination_Trials_Might_Finally_Unlock_the_Many_Mysteries_of_COVID_19_ (pg 9-12)

M. avium is a cell wall deficient mycobacterium, it looks just like a virus and does pass through the same filters. However, epidemiologists and virologists have refused to test Covid-19 patients for mycobacteria.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 25, 2022, 05:59:10 AM
Yeah, this:

Article title: Hypothesis of Potential Evolution of SARS-CoV-2 through Hybridization of SARS-CoV-1 with Saccharomyces cerevisiae and Mycobacterium avium naturally inside an immunocompromised Pangolin.

So someone has a hypothesis about Pangolins...So what?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on December 26, 2022, 08:33:57 AM
Pfizer knew from the start that Sars-Cov-2 is a mycobacterium:

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/pfizer-data-azithromycin-covid-19-trial/

The Sars-Cov-2 genome has sequences from the following pathogenic agents:

Mycobacterium tuberculosis, Mycobacterium leprae, Bacillus anthracis, Borrelia burgdorferi, Clostridium perfringens, Clostridium tetani, Helicobacter Pylori, Listeria monocytogenes, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus pyogenes, Vibrio cholera and Yersinia pestis), two malarial parasites (Plasmodium falciparum and Plasmodium knowlesi) and influenza virus A.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0171298521000395

Monkeypox (MPV) is actually mousepox, and poxviridae is also a mycobacterium (a variant of M. leprae):

https://archive.org/details/b30503036/page/n34/mode/1up (pg 16-18)

MPV is related to Sars-Cov-2 through RNA G-quadruplex structures:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.18.496696v1

Non-coding RNA and M. tuberculosis:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3384566/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8628891/

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2014.00096/full

Non-coding RNA and prions:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326183713_Interrelation_of_prions_with_non-coDing_RNAs

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7333576/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34209482/

https://rupress.org/jcb/article/210/4/529/38290/Prion-like-domains-in-RNA-binding-proteins-are

G-quadruplexes and prions:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4132711/

The above data demonstrate that sequences within PrP mRNA have the propensity to switch between hairpin structures and G-quadruplexes depending on environmental conditions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7314185/

https://www.cell.com/trends/biochemical-sciences/fulltext/S0968-0004(20)30272-3

G-Quadruplexes in RNA Biology: Recent Advances and Future Directions
Other indirect but promising pieces of evidence support that RG4s might be part of the structural ‘switch’ induced by the pseudouridylation of tRNA-derived fragments important for translation initiation impacting stem cell commitment during key developmental processes.

Omicron (Mers-Cov-2) is activating its prion domain (example, the CH.1.1 variant, with the P681R mutation).

https://rense.com/general96/K-20220328/CREUTZFELDT-JACOB%20SARS-COV-2.pdf

The Mers-Cov-2 and Sars-Cov-2 spike protein has a similar structure:

Here we report that among spike protein sequences of genus Betacoronavirus and outside of the SARS-CoV-2 clade an analogous polyfunctional domain was found in only one other virus: an artificial MERS infectious clone, described already in 2017, which constitutes an adapted genotype from serial passage in genetically humanized mice. In contrast to this artificial MERS coronavirus, which has no natural primary host and which during passage acquired the full pat7 motif, S protein sequences from all other betacoronaviruses did not present a polyfunctional S1/S2 junction domain analogous to SARS-CoV-2. As the evolutionarily closest betacoronaviruses outside of the SARS-CoV-2 clade lack all its three functional features, this critical S1/S2 polyfunctional domain becomes an unlikely product of natural evolution alone.

https://web.archive.org/web/20221214164619/https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4301576
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 26, 2022, 03:19:42 PM
Pfizer knew from the start that Sars-Cov-2 is a mycobacterium:

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/pfizer-data-azithromycin-covid-19-trial/

A report from March 26, 2020??? About a week or two into the actual Pandemic?

And that's not at all what Pfizer was claiming in the article you cited. You're literally making that up.

From your article, "Compared with 16 controls, the proportion of participants who achieved virologic cure following six days of treatments was observed to be higher in the 20 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine."

Hmmm, virologic...

As well, "AZM (Azithromycin) reduces in vitro replication of several classes of viruses including rhinovirus, influenza A, Zika virus, Ebola, enteroviruses and coronaviruses, via several mechanisms. AZM enhances expression of anti-viral pattern recognition receptors and induction of anti-viral type I and III interferon responses."

Hmmm, viruses...
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on December 26, 2022, 05:10:50 PM
You haven't done your homework on the subject, which is a pity.

https://lawrencebroxmeyermd.academia.edu/DrLawrenceBroxmeyerMD

Influenza A, ebola, zika, rhinoviruses are mycobacteria. Azithromycin is used especially for M. avium.

https://www.academia.edu/10076102/Is_the_Ebola_virus_real

https://www.academia.edu/12969028/EBOLA_OR_AFRICAN_STRAINS_OF_TUBERCULOSIS

https://www.academia.edu/30666782/Questioning_the_Zika_Virus

https://www.academia.edu/35088077/The_Great_Influenza_Pandemic_What_Really_Happened_in_1918

https://web.archive.org/web/20180508034750/http://drbroxmeyer.netfirms.com/001pdfBIRDFLUEDITORIALPUBLISHED.pdf

http://www.oilgeopolitics.net/Swine_Flu/Tuberculosis/tuberculosis.html

Out of nine sites, seven sites showed molecular similarity with 54 antigenic determinants found in twelve pathogenic bacterial species (Mycobacterium tuberculosis, Mycobacterium leprae, Bacillus anthracis, Borrelia burgdorferi, Clostridium perfringens, Clostridium tetani, Helicobacter Pylori, Listeria monocytogenes, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus pyogenes, Vibrio cholera and Yersinia pestis), two malarial parasites (Plasmodium falciparum and Plasmodium knowlesi) and influenza virus A.

Most of the bacterial antigens that displayed molecular similarity with antigenic sites in SARS-CoV-2 RBD (receptor binding domain) were toxins and virulent factors. Antigens from Mycobacterium that showed similarity were mainly involved in modulating host cell immune response and ensuring persistence and survival of pathogen in host cells.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0171298521000395

Sars-Cov-2 is a mycobacterium, and so is Omicron (Mers-Cov-2).

The first major result on the use of cmRNA vaccines:

https://unglossed.substack.com/p/boosting-tolerance-igg4

I would not call it tolerance. IgG4 leads to desensitization. Ongoing exposure to spike can lead to IgG4 related disease (IgG4-RD). IgG4 induction is the second stage. It is most likely preceded by IgE induction. Injecting any antigen will induce IgE. I warned against it. I also wanted them to measure IgG1,2,3,4. Finally someone has done it.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279299679_An_Atlas_of_RNA_Base_Pairs_Involving_Modified_Nucleobases_with_Optimal_Geometries_and_Accurate_Energies

It is interesting that, when focusing on the H-bonded bases, the Pseudouridine modification seems rather to have a destabilizing than a stabilizing effect.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC6009661/

Misincorporation of pseudouridine by T7 RNA polymerase can have implications for RNA-based therapeutics, as pseudouridine is incorporated into RNA to reduce immunogenicity.

https://elifesciences.org/articles/60917

A prion accelerates proliferation at the expense of lifespan

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC2965242/

Effect of pseudouridylation on the structure and activity of the catalytically essential P6.1 hairpin in human telomerase RNA

Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 27, 2022, 12:30:19 AM
Actually you haven't done your homework on your sources, which is a disastrous pity.

Wow, you found one MD (Actually not even an MD at all...) who agrees with you, Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer, MD. Amazing. I can find thousands of virologists who disagree with you.

As well, I'm not sure Lawrence Broxmeyer, MD is to be trusted as he had his license suspended for fraud, part of which was that he was found to have lied about his residencies and falsifying his credentials, & malpractice back in the mid 90's and reinstatement denied in 2000.

His medical license was revoked in NY, CA, PA & FLA, denied a license in Texas.

He also claims to have been a "researcher" at the N.Y. Institute Of Medical Research. There's no such institute.

He doesn't seem like the kinda "researcher" I would consider to be a reliable narrator.

Lawrence Broxmeyer, MD - Medial License Revoked - Fraud/Malpractice (https://apps.health.ny.gov/pubdoh/professionals/doctors/conduct/factions/FileDownloadAction.action?finalActionId=515&fileName=lc151279.pdf&fileSeqNum=1)
(https://i.imgur.com/8eyEqHN.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/0MC7hrp.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/fVBLhEr.png)

Try and find some sources with at least an ounce of credibility.




Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on December 27, 2022, 06:52:22 AM
No, he got suspended because he would not waiver on the matter that all of the ailments that you had described were not viruses. I had done my homework, since everything you posted was well-known even two years ago, in the other thread which ran into 39 pages of debate.

All of Dr. Broxmeyer's papers are peer-reviewed. Especially this one, which was published in the most prestigious medical journal in the world:

Broxmeyer, L., Sosnowska, D., Miltner, E., Chacon, O., Wagner, D., McGarvey, J., Barletta, R.G. and Bermuddez, L.E. (2002) Killing of Mycobacterium avium and Mycobacterium tuberculosis by a mycobacteriophage delivered by a nonvirulent mycobacterium: a model for phage therapy of intracellular bacterial pathogens. J Infect Dis 186,
1155–1160

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/186/8/1155/2191390

The Journal of Infectious Diseases
Oxford Academic

Killing of Mycobacterium avium and Mycobacterium tuberculosis by a mycobacteriophage delivered by a nonvirulent mycobacterium: a model for phage therapy of intracellular bacterial pathogens.


We are currently exploring the use of other mycobacteriophages and attenuated mycobacterial strains of M. avium and M. tuberculosis, as well as bacille Calmette-Guerin as potential phage delivery systems.

All of his papers which describe zika, ebola, H1N1, as having been caused by mycobacteria are peer-reviewed. That is why he is a very credible source.

What about the credibility of the medical doctors you believe in?

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

Positive results are indicative of active infection with 2019-nCoV but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.

Always, one needs to test for BOTH viruses and mycobacteria. Did your medical doctors perform these tests? All of them have refused to test for mycobacteria.

But not L. Broxmeyer.

https://www.academia.edu/43416919/How_BCG_Vaccination_Trials_Might_Finally_Unlock_the_Many_Mysteries_of_COVID_19_ (pg 9-12)

Can you explain to your readers why Sars-Cov-2 has so many bacterial epitopes?

Out of nine sites, seven sites showed molecular similarity with 54 antigenic determinants found in twelve pathogenic bacterial species (Mycobacterium tuberculosis, Mycobacterium leprae, Bacillus anthracis, Borrelia burgdorferi, Clostridium perfringens, Clostridium tetani, Helicobacter Pylori, Listeria monocytogenes, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus pyogenes, Vibrio cholera and Yersinia pestis), two malarial parasites (Plasmodium falciparum and Plasmodium knowlesi) and influenza virus A.

Most of the bacterial antigens that displayed molecular similarity with antigenic sites in SARS-CoV-2 RBD (receptor binding domain) were toxins and virulent factors. Antigens from Mycobacterium that showed similarity were mainly involved in modulating host cell immune response and ensuring persistence and survival of pathogen in host cells.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0171298521000395
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on December 27, 2022, 08:38:48 AM
Here is the cmRNA genetic code:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210111092707/https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/

(https://web.archive.org/web/20210111092707im_/https://berthub.eu/articles/bnt162b2.png)

Uracil has been replaced 100% with Pseudouridine (Ψ), which is a chiral isomer. This means that the cmRNA genetic code is for an ISOMERIC Sars-Cov-2, and has nothing to do with Sars-Cov-2 which is coded with Uracil. As such, the immune system will produce ISOMERIC antibodies (isomeric abs were discovered in 1994), which have nothing to do with the pathogenic agent Sars-Cov-2.

https://anandamide.substack.com/p/differences-in-vaccine-and-sars-cov

(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5b434490-91ff-45de-88c4-47ab098c8193_727x880.png)

(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd48ee322-8f6d-41db-90de-1983f7f4b6ae_1430x690.png)

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/734/htm

However, superficial application of these two criteria can lead to mistakes. I will take the CGN codon family for Arg to show an incorrect optimization of the two mRNA vac.cines.

The designers of both vac.cines considered CGG as the optimal codon in the CGN codon family and recoded almost all CGN codons to CGG. There are two lines of evidence suggesting that CGG is not the optimal codon. These multiple lines of evidence suggest that CGC is a better codon than CGG. The designers of the mRNA vac.cines (especially mRNA-1273, Table 1) chose a wrong codon as the optimal codon.

Pfizer/BioNTech’s BNT162b2 mRNA features two consecutive UGA stop codons. Moderna’s mRNA-1273 uses all three different stop codons UGAUAAUAG. Are these the optimal arrangement?

With such a +1 frameshifting, a downstream in-frame stop codon cannot serve as a fail-safe mechanism. UGA is a poor choice of a stop codon, and UGAU in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vac.cines could be even worse.
One caveat in the reasoning above involves the replacement of U by N1-methylpseudouridine (Ψ) in the two vac.cine mRNAs.

Therefore, the stop signals are ΨGAΨGA instead of UGAUGA in Pfizer/BioNTech’s vac.cine, and ΨGAΨAAΨAG instead of UGAUAAUAG in Moderna’s vaccine. As Ψ is more promiscuous in base-pairing than U and can pair with both A and G and, to a less extent, with C and U, stop codons become more prone to misreading by tRNAs. It is for this reason that both mRNA vaccines use consecutive stop codons as a fail-safe mechanism, with the hope that no frameshifting occurs when the first stop codon fails. However, UGAU is known to cause a +1 frameshifting. It is reasonable to infer that ΨGAΨ may be the same. I have mentioned before that mammalian AZ1 gene with a stop codon context UGAU is prone to polyamine-induced +1 frameshifting. Such a +1 frameshifting defeats the purpose of having multiple stop codons as a fail-safe mechanism.

Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 27, 2022, 11:48:38 AM
No, he got suspended because he would not waiver on the matter that all of the ailments that you had described were not viruses.

Apparently, you still haven't done your homework. If you actually read the documents regarding the revocation of his medical license you would see that it had nothing to do with ailments as not viruses. It was for medicare fraud and lying about his credentials. Nothing to do with bacteria or viruses.

All of Dr. Broxmeyer's papers are peer-reviewed. Especially this one, which was published in the most prestigious medical journal in the world:

Broxmeyer, L., Sosnowska, D., Miltner, E., Chacon, O., Wagner, D., McGarvey, J., Barletta, R.G. and Bermuddez, L.E. (2002) Killing of Mycobacterium avium and Mycobacterium tuberculosis by a mycobacteriophage delivered by a nonvirulent mycobacterium: a model for phage therapy of intracellular bacterial pathogens. J Infect Dis 186,
1155–1160

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/186/8/1155/2191390

And no, not all of his articles have been peer reviewed. And this one has nothing to do with coronaviruses.

Broxmeyer is a liar and a con man. He still claims he was a researcher at an institute that doesn't even exist.

As well, in the paper it states:
"The introduction of protease inhibitors in the therapeutic armamentarium against human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) has had a significant impact on the incidence of M. avium bacteremia [4]; however, the infection rebounds as soon as the anti-HIV drugs are stopped or fail [5]. In addition, M. avium infection has been described with increasing frequency in non-AIDS populations [6, 7]"

Meaning, it's not saying anything like you claim. It still recognizes that HIV is a virus and that it leads to the susceptibility of contracting bacterial infections. Nothing new here.


What about the credibility of the medical doctors you believe in?

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

Positive results are indicative of active infection with 2019-nCoV but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.

Always, one needs to test for BOTH viruses and mycobacteria. Did your medical doctors perform these tests? All of them have refused to test for mycobacteria.

Obviously it depends. And yes, my medical Dr did perform these tests. If you have covid-like symptoms and perhaps share some symptoms of TB but your PCR comes back negative for covid, then you'll get a TB test (and testing for other bacterium), for instance, which is exactly what I did back in 2021.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on December 27, 2022, 02:11:21 PM
Dr. Broxmeyer could not have published medical data in the Oxford Journal of Infectious Diseases unless his credentials had been checked and verified. This alone disproves your vitriolic attack against a scientist whose articles on infectious diseases speak for themselves. All of his other articles have been published in medical journals, and thus have been peer-reviewed. Do not confuse the stated reasons for the revocation of the medical license with the hidden agenda which was aiming at his unwaivering support for the bacterial cause of various diseases.

Obviously you do not know about his work on bacterial infections. He is saying that HIV is also a mycobacterium, certainly not a virus.

https://www.sidastudi.org/resources/inmagic-img/dd7314.pdf

Your doctor obviously did not test for M. avium, as these tests can be performed only by real experts on bacterial infections, such as Dr. Broxmeyer. Cell wall deficient mycobacterium look just like a virus and they pass through the same filters.

You have some explaining to do here. Certainly the bacterial epitopes (including M. avium) which have found on the spike protein of Sars-Cov-2 confirm the work published by L. Broxmeyer.

Out of nine sites, seven sites showed molecular similarity with 54 antigenic determinants found in twelve pathogenic bacterial species (Mycobacterium tuberculosis, Mycobacterium leprae, Bacillus anthracis, Borrelia burgdorferi, Clostridium perfringens, Clostridium tetani, Helicobacter Pylori, Listeria monocytogenes, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus pyogenes, Vibrio cholera and Yersinia pestis), two malarial parasites (Plasmodium falciparum and Plasmodium knowlesi) and influenza virus A.

Most of the bacterial antigens that displayed molecular similarity with antigenic sites in SARS-CoV-2 RBD (receptor binding domain) were toxins and virulent factors. Antigens from Mycobacterium that showed similarity were mainly involved in modulating host cell immune response and ensuring persistence and survival of pathogen in host cells.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0171298521000395

Sars-Cov-2 also features epitopes from M. bovis, Nipah, and other pathogens.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7423587/

BlastP analysis showed high homology of the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein with 12 consecutive amino acids of the protein LytR C, which is a consensus protein unique to Mycobacteria.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8577642/

However, the knowledge that heat shock protein (HSP)65 is the main antigen of Mycobacterium bovis BCG prompted us to verify whether sequence similarity existed between HSP65 and SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) and nuclear (N) proteins that could support an antigen-driven immune protection of BCG vaccine. The results of the in silico investigation showed an extensive sequence similarity of HSP65 with both the viral proteins, especially SARS-CoV-2 S, that also involved the regions comprising immunodominant epitopes.

Had Dr. Broxmeyer's BCG vaccines with bacteriophages specific for M. avium been implemented, Covid-19 would have been over in the month of february of 2020. Had Sars-Cov-2 been identified correctly as M. avium, the correct treatment (clarithromycin or even solithromycin) could have been administered from the start. Yet, cmRNA isomeric vaccines were put forth as treatment, but these vaccines are coded with Pseudouridine, a chiral isomer, which will only force the immune system to produce isomeric abs which have nothing to do with Sars-Cov-2.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 27, 2022, 10:48:51 PM
Obviously you do not know about his work on bacterial infections. He is saying that HIV is also a mycobacterium, certainly not a virus.

Broxmeyer is a charlatan, fraudster, and lying about his credentials. And all of the these studies clearly refer to SARS-Covid 19 as a virus.

According to Dr. Broxmeyer himself, he is “already heralded as today's single most perceptive and innovative medical investigator by colleagues in the United States and abroad, having already appeared as lead author in The Journal of Infectious Diseases.”
As the reportedly “most brilliant” doctor in the United States today, Broxmeyer must be a boon to the HIV/AIDS denialist cause. Certainly, Broxmeyer is nothing if not innovative. Writing in Medical Hypotheses, Broxmeyer suggested that mycobacteria might be the cause of Parkinson’s Disease (Med Hypotheses. 2002 Oct;59(4):373-7). Writing in the May, 2003 issue of the same journal, Broxmeyer asked, “Is AIDS really caused by a virus?” and concluded that, no, it is caused by mycobacteria. SARS, too, more than “just another viral acronym” (Med Hypotheses. 2003 Aug;61(2):314-7) is just misdiagnosed tuberculosis.

Broxmeyer’s innovation didn’t stop there. Heart disease (Med Hypotheses. 2004;62(5):773-9), Mad Cow (Med Hypotheses. 2004;63(4):731-9), cancer (Med Hypotheses. 2004;63(6):986-96), Alzheimer’s and Creutzfeldt-Jakob (Med Hypotheses, 2005;64(4):699-705), diabetes (Med Hypotheses. 2005;65(3):433-9), and even the 1918 flu (Med Hypotheses. 2006;67(5):1006-15) are, according to Broxmeyer, due to mycobacteria.

During Broxmeyer’s four-year run of publications in Medical Hypotheses, his affiliation was sometimes listed only as his own address in Whitestone, NY, and sometimes as Med-America Research (with the same address—not to be confused with MedAmerica). By 2006, though, Broxmeyer had been promoted to “Chief Medical Officer and CEO” of the company, no doubt in keeping with his unrivaled perception. The Med-America Research website, medamericaresearch.org, features only Dr. Broxmeyer and his innovative articles, and is in fact the same as Dr. Broxmeyer’s personal website listed above.

Not mentioned on his variously-named website is the inconvenient fact that Dr. Broxmeyer lost his medical license and pharmacist’s license in New York in the mid-1990s. He was charged in 1994 with “13 specifications of professional misconduct, including practicing fraudulently, practicing with negligence on more than one occasion, ordering excessive tests and treatments, and failure to comply with substantial provisions of State Law governing the practice of medicine.” He was also charged with “falsification of applications” by inflating his credentials. Broxmeyer’s 1997 application for restoration of his license was considered after his fulfilling several requirements including education credits and seeing a psychiatrist. After losing his license, Broxmeyer complained, he was forced to work as a “jet refueler for $5.75 an hour” and to go on welfare.

Broxmeyer’s peers denied his application for restoration, giving their reasons:
[T]he COP finds that Dr. Broxmeyer continues to be self-absorbed.…His misconduct was deliberate and planned and demonstrated disrespect for his profession….the COP cannot assess whether he has taken the appropriate rehabilitative steps to insure that the public would not be placed in danger again were his license restored.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on December 27, 2022, 10:53:56 PM
It should also be noted that being one of SEVERAL authors of a paper does not mean you're actually good at it.
It's like a school group project where one kid does nothing but still gets credit.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2022, 01:28:55 AM
Overcharging Medicaid for government-determined "unnecessary" procedures is a lot different than falsifying research papers. He was charged with things like using a throat swab test for people with sore throats. From the document:

https://apps.health.ny.gov/pubdoh/professionals/doctors/conduct/factions/FileDownloadAction.action?finalActionId=515&fileName=lc151279.pdf&fileSeqNum=1


Aside from a penny pinching government who thinks sick people shouldn't be tested, what is wrong with that exactly? If I went to the doctor for a sore throat I would expect my doctor to perform a test. If this is the level of fraud he is charged with, we can assume that the other charges of unspecified "fraud" and "negligence" and "misconduct" in this document are of a similar nature. This is one of the only specified examples of his fraud in this document, and it's laughable. Other than this specific example the document generalizes it as $2,000 worth of fraud or $85,000 worth of fraud. Why not specify the worst example rather than the most laughable one? The example undermines the rest.

The document says that he wasn't performing the procedures he was supposed to perform. From the example we got, and considering the nature of Medicaid, this must mean he was giving better version of treatment and procedures to his patients than the government wanted him to give. Many complex procedures and courses of treatment can be turned into "fraud" if the charge code procedure as written in the "give them subpar" Medicaid billing reference manual isn't exactly the same to the letter as the version of the procedure the doctor performed.

The ludicrous example they gave in the document shows that they had it out for him for some reason. It is also plain that he was begging for forgiveness and accepting fault in the document with a proverbial gun to his head.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: markjo on December 28, 2022, 03:22:29 AM
Other than this specific example the document generalizes it as $2,000 worth of fraud or $85,000 worth of fraud. Why not specify the worst example rather than the most laughable one? The example undermines the rest.
How much fraud must he commit before you think that it's a crime deserving of losing his license?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on December 28, 2022, 03:39:50 AM
He said himself that he falsely billed Medicaid for $85,000 for tests he didn’t perform. Sounds like pretty open and shut case of fraud.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2022, 03:55:39 AM
That could just mean that he was giving patients expensive heart medication based on prior medical history or alternate tests without going through Medicaid's 1800's-level antiquated cardio tests designed to act as a barrier to allow only the most extreme cases through to the medicine, that Medicaid demands to perform before they dole out the cash.

There is a difference between blatant unethical fraud and pro-patient ethical fraud to protect them from a tyrannical government, and it is unclear what happened. Based on the ridiculous example of the throat swab test where the "fraud" was doing something ethical for the patient, the picture is pretty dim for the government's side.

The document is vague and unspecific about exactly what he did for a reason. Not a good reason.

The document also makes comments that he misrepresented his resume. It turns out later on in the document that this means that he neglected to tell hospitals that he had more experience than his resume stated.

(https://i.imgur.com/k5dCTsJ.png)

Wow, what a monster. This is certainly indicative of a fraudster caught in the act and the government's ethically valid case against this man. ::)

Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 28, 2022, 05:11:35 AM
Hmm, a doctor lying about their credentials and experience is ok by you? Interesting.

Bottomline, he lost his license, in multiple States. Period. 6 years go by and the board still wouldn't grant him his license. Would you go to a Dr who had their license revoked for fraud and lying about their credentials? I definitely wouldn't. 
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2022, 05:30:35 AM
Quote from: stack
Hmm, a doctor lying about their credentials and experience is ok by you? Interesting.

Sure, I would see a doctor who made that "lie". His "lie" in what I quoted above was not disclosing that he had more experience than what his resume stated. Ridiculous.

Picking out this petty stuff like testing people who are sick and criticizing leaving out additional experience on his resume shows that the government had an unethical motive in prosecuting him.

Quote from: stack
Bottomline, he lost his license, in multiple States. Period. 6 years go by and the board still wouldn't grant him his license. Would you go to a Dr who had their license revoked for fraud and lying about their credentials? I definitely wouldn't.

According to this page he has current licenses in New York, Pennsylvania, and possibly New Jersey. Whatever happened in New York in the 90's clearly didn't hold water.

https://health.usnews.com/doctors/lawrence-broxmeyer-1398738#location

(https://i.imgur.com/UATr3cA.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on December 28, 2022, 09:09:56 AM
Overcharging Medicaid for government-determined "unnecessary" procedures is a lot different than falsifying research papers. He was charged with things like using a throat swab test for people with sore throats. From the document:

https://apps.health.ny.gov/pubdoh/professionals/doctors/conduct/factions/FileDownloadAction.action?finalActionId=515&fileName=lc151279.pdf&fileSeqNum=1

    'one of the charges indicated that his use of a throat swab for a patient with a sore throat was excessive. He asked the
    Committee, “What’s wrong with that?”'

Aside from a penny pinching government who thinks sick people shouldn't be tested, what is wrong with that exactly? If I went to the doctor for a sore throat I would expect my doctor to perform a test. If this is the level of fraud he is charged with, we can assume that the other charges of unspecified "fraud" and "negligence" and "misconduct" in this document are of a similar nature. This is one of the only specified examples of his fraud in this document, and it's laughable. Other than this specific example the document generalizes it as $2,000 worth of fraud or $85,000 worth of fraud. Why not specify the worst example rather than the most laughable one? The example undermines the rest.

The document says that he wasn't performing the procedures he was supposed to perform. From the example we got, and considering the nature of Medicaid, this must mean he was giving better version of treatment and procedures to his patients than the government wanted him to give. Many complex procedures and courses of treatment can be turned into "fraud" if the charge code procedure as written in the "give them subpar" Medicaid billing reference manual isn't exactly the same to the letter as the version of the procedure the doctor performed.

The ludicrous example they gave in the document shows that they had it out for him for some reason. It is also plain that he was begging for forgiveness and accepting fault in the document with a proverbial gun to his head.

You did read it, right?
HE, Broxmeyer, brought it up, not the committee. As such, it was written.  So the accused brought up the most ludicrous, not the worst.

And then said he didn't really contest it much since afterwards, he got hit with a bunch of other charges.


You also assume 1 swab was done and that was excessive.
But if he did 2 swabs every day for 10 days straight... That could be excessive.  Especially if we sent those in for testing since, ya know, there's no point on using a throat swab if you aren't collecting a culture.  Right?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 28, 2022, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: stack
Hmm, a doctor lying about their credentials and experience is ok by you? Interesting.

Sure, I would see a doctor who made that "lie". His "lie" in what I quoted above was not disclosing that he had more experience than what his resume stated. Ridiculous.

Picking out this petty stuff like testing people who are sick and criticizing leaving out additional experience on his resume shows that the government had an unethical motive in prosecuting him.

Medical boards across five States revoking and refusing to reinstate a person's medical license you find to be petty and ridiculous?

You left out the fact that he was convicted of a felony; Grand Larceny 3°. 5 years probation & restitution. With a felony wrap to carry around forever.

And so now you are questioning the NY felony conviction and the Medical Boards rulings across 5 states? Because of your vast knowledge and expertise of Medical Board rulings and court proceedings? And of course your in-depth review of the facts of the felony conviction and medical license revocation?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on December 28, 2022, 01:13:13 PM
That could just mean that he was giving patients expensive heart medication based on prior medical history or alternate tests without going through Medicaid's 1800's-level antiquated cardio tests designed to act as a barrier to allow only the most extreme cases through to the medicine, that Medicaid demands to perform before they dole out the cash.

There is a difference between blatant unethical fraud and pro-patient ethical fraud to protect them from a tyrannical government, and it is unclear what happened. Based on the ridiculous example of the throat swab test where the "fraud" was doing something ethical for the patient, the picture is pretty dim for the government's side.

The document is vague and unspecific about exactly what he did for a reason. Not a good reason.

He literally said he billed Medicaid $85,000 for tests he did not perform. You are really struggling here.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 30, 2022, 12:53:04 AM
He literally said he billed Medicaid $85,000 for tests he did not perform. You are really struggling here.

Since you don't know what actually occurred, you are arguing based on ignorance. That could also mean that the government didn't agree with the kind of test performed.

In this case of Medicaid fraud one company is said to have billed Medicaid for tests not performed, but actually reading into it, Medicaid just disagreed with the type of tests that were performed:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ri/pr/us-recovers-650000-local-providers-who-billed-medicare-and-medicaid-screening-tests-not

U.S. Recovers $650,000 from Local Providers Who Billed Medicare and Medicaid for Screening Tests Not Performed


In the doctor's defense on that he says that it was a billing error:

https://www.valleybreeze.com/news/doctor-cleared-of-wrongdoing-says-his-name-should-never-have-been-damaged/article_f4a7bc30-7d38-11ec-aadf-f3ce3bbfaafe.html

Doctor cleared of wrongdoing says his name should never have been damaged


...

In Broxmeyer's case he was also running multiple clinics, and he also did not go to jail over the charge.

He was running multiple clinics:

https://apps.health.ny.gov/pubdoh/professionals/doctors/conduct/factions/FileDownloadAction.action?finalActionId=515&fileName=lc151279.pdf&fileSeqNum=1

(https://i.imgur.com/UPmW2wc.png)

Broxmeyer points out that he didn't go to jail:

(https://i.imgur.com/yQUZI1i.png)

This is a salient point. If it really was such blatant fraud he would have gone to jail. He didn't.

Maybe his clinics performed a different kind of test than Medicaid wanted, or used different equipment than what Medicaid wanted. All of this is unknown. It just says he committed $85K of fraud.

On the specifics there are examples where the government is obviously nitpicking about things like giving a throat swab test to people with sore throats and leaving residency experience off his resume.

It is absurd to argue that he did something bad without having the details, and in the face of the government's obvious nitpicking and usage of technicalities to find fault. He admits to the fraud, whatever it is, and begs for forgiveness, but he is clearly trying to get his license back there with his lawyer. We don't know exactly what he is admitting to.

Medical boards across five States revoking and refusing to reinstate a person's medical license you find to be petty and ridiculous?

You left out the fact that he was convicted of a felony; Grand Larceny 3°. 5 years probation & restitution. With a felony wrap to carry around forever.

And so now you are questioning the NY felony conviction and the Medical Boards rulings across 5 states? Because of your vast knowledge and expertise of Medical Board rulings and court proceedings? And of course your in-depth review of the facts of the felony conviction and medical license revocation?

This is pretty rich that you accuse others of having no "in-depth" facts in response to them pointing out that there are no in-depth facts on this.

From the facts we do have we see that the government was nitpicking on things and that New York reversed their decision since he has a current New York medical license.

https://health.usnews.com/doctors/lawrence-broxmeyer-1398738#location

(https://i.imgur.com/kYhG2yV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MNFscUz.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 30, 2022, 06:40:23 AM
Medical boards across five States revoking and refusing to reinstate a person's medical license you find to be petty and ridiculous?

You left out the fact that he was convicted of a felony; Grand Larceny 3°. 5 years probation & restitution. With a felony wrap to carry around forever.

And so now you are questioning the NY felony conviction and the Medical Boards rulings across 5 states? Because of your vast knowledge and expertise of Medical Board rulings and court proceedings? And of course your in-depth review of the facts of the felony conviction and medical license revocation?

This is pretty rich that you accuse others of having no "in-depth" facts in response to them pointing out that there are no in-depth facts on this.

From the facts we do have we see that the government was nitpicking on things and that New York reversed their decision since he has a current New York medical license.

https://health.usnews.com/doctors/lawrence-broxmeyer-1398738#location

(https://i.imgur.com/kYhG2yV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MNFscUz.png)

If you consider a Dr getting their license revoked in 5 States, convicted of felony Grand Larceny 3°, receiving 5 years probation and restitution & lying about their qualifications as "nitpicking", then I don't know what to say other than that is insanity.

As well, I'm not sure what this health.usnews.com site you cited is all about but it looks like Dr's add/maintain their own profiles...
(https://i.imgur.com/sNBkaSU.png)

And the address listed on the site for his practice in the Bronx:
20811 Estates Dr, Bayside, NY, 11360
(https://i.imgur.com/0G9VGLo.png)

Maybe his office is in the shed in the backyard and maybe he does some hydro-therapy in the above-ground pool...

And, searching on the good Dr's name in the New York State Education Department (http://www.nysed.gov/) database of NY State licensed medical professionals, it appears that he isn't currently licensed to practice in NY, "Status: LICENSE SURRENDERED".
(https://i.imgur.com/DxR8Yb4.png)

So I'm gonna go with the NY State Education Dept. profile and not the self-posted Doximity.com profile, which is basically a social/referral network for Drs.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 30, 2022, 08:07:19 AM
That is poor research. He doesn't live in Whitestone NY anymore. He is in Bayside NY, as seen in his usnews profile we were looking at. That is an old database entry. It's not too hard to find in other databases that he is licensed to practice medicine.

https://www.pals.pa.gov/

(https://i.imgur.com/93XxaDm.png)

Quote from: stack
If you consider a Dr getting their license revoked in 5 States, convicted of felony Grand Larceny 3°, receiving 5 years probation and restitution & lying about their qualifications as "nitpicking", then I don't know what to say other than that is insanity.

This is poor reading comprehension. I called the charges of giving a swab test to people with sore throats nitpicking. The charge of leaving residency experience off his resume is also nitpicking. This is evidence that the government did not have any substantial specific arguments to point out.

I said that there was a lack of information about the $85K fraud charge. It doesn't specify what that entailed. The document was clearly going through a lot of effort to try to criticize him and make him look bad. For some reason the document gives us details about why he has a facial disfigurement and about his relationship with his father, but doesn't actually mention why they think he committed fraud.

Considering that he did not go to jail for the charge of "Grand Larceny", and there are examples of nitpicking of trivialities in the document, it would be interesting to see details on what that was about.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on December 30, 2022, 09:02:10 AM
He was given 500 hours of community service, forced to pay restitution of $85,000, and was on probation for 5 years.

Also, if you scrolled down on that page and opened the pdf under discipline, you'd see the details of the grand larceny charges.

But ya didn't, did you?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on December 30, 2022, 02:39:15 PM
That is poor research. He doesn't live in Whitestone NY anymore. He is in Bayside NY, as seen in his usnews profile we were looking at. That is an old database entry.

Apparently, poor reading comprehension on your part...Where did I say "Whitestone"?

And the address listed on the site for his practice in the Bronx:
20811 Estates Dr, Bayside, NY, 11360
(https://i.imgur.com/0G9VGLo.png)

It's not too hard to find in other databases that he is licensed to practice medicine.

https://www.pals.pa.gov/

(https://i.imgur.com/93XxaDm.png)

Yes, it appears he got his license back in PA. However, you claimed he got his license back in NY. He didn't.

WebMD has him listed as working for Family Health Associates in York, PA
(https://i.imgur.com/yAWGcSW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/33v34ls.png)

When you go to the Family Health Associates website (http://www.fhayork.com/), he is not listed as one of the Providers working there:
http://www.fhayork.com/providers/

So he's not licensed to practice medicine in New York, is in PA but doesn't seem to have a job. And is a convicted Felon for medical fraud and lying about his qualifications. Sounds like a Dr I would not trust and avoid.

Quote from: stack
If you consider a Dr getting their license revoked in 5 States, convicted of felony Grand Larceny 3°, receiving 5 years probation and restitution & lying about their qualifications as "nitpicking", then I don't know what to say other than that is insanity.

This is poor reading comprehension. I called the charges of giving a swab test to people with sore throats nitpicking. The charge of leaving residency experience off his resume is also nitpicking. This is evidence that the government did not have any substantial specific arguments to point out.

Apparently, they did have specific arguments to point out. Enough "specific pointing" to have his license revoked in 5 States, convicted of felony Grand Larceny 3°, receiving 5 years probation and restitution & lying about his qualifications. I'd say that's pretty specific pointing and not "nitpicking". And the NY Courts & 5 State Medical Boards agree that it was not "nitpicking".

And you can find the charges and details of his fraud and lying about qualifications in the documentation already provided. Apparently, again, poor research on your part.

Considering that he did not go to jail for the charge of "Grand Larceny", and there are examples of nitpicking of trivialities in the document, it would be interesting to see details on what that was about.

So for you, having his license revoked in 5 States, convicted of felony Grand Larceny 3°, lying about his qualifications, receiving 5 years probation and restitution and being labeled as Felon for the rest of his life doesn't mean anything because he didn't serve jail time? Does every criminal receive jail time for Grand Larceny 3°? No:

NEW YORK PENAL LAW 155.35: GRAND LARCENY IN THE THIRD DEGREE
A class "D" felony, NY Penal Law 155.35 is punishable by up to two and one third to seven years in state prison. Again, there is no mandatory minimum for the first-time offender or non-predicate felon.


He plead Guilty, (See below), first time offender, thereby getting a reduced sentence. What kind of a weird argument are you trying to make?

(https://i.imgur.com/mgYbUN4.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on December 30, 2022, 04:34:30 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/equity-investment-executive-ed-dowd-1-7-million-americans-placed-disability-directly-related-covid-vaccine-video/

Equity Investment Executive Ed Dowd: 1.7 Million Americans Placed on Disability – Directly Related to COVID Vaccine (VIDEO)

It’s now about 1.7 million starting about February 2021 thru November of 2022. 1.7 employed people have become disabled and that’s a big number.

Back in March Dowd said that U.S. millennials, aged 25-44, experienced a record-setting 84% increase in excess mortality during the final four months of 2021.

According to Ed Dowd, the latest numbers from August revealed an excess mortality rate of 36% for millennials.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on January 02, 2023, 05:48:30 PM
1 in 4 BRITS are now MENTAL cases after the pandemic Jab: They seem to hang out here.

https://www.rt.com/business/569136-young-brits-sick-work/
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on January 02, 2023, 07:37:20 PM
1 in 4 BRITS are now MENTAL cases after the pandemic Jab: They seem to hang out here.

https://www.rt.com/business/569136-young-brits-sick-work/

But the article cites COVID itself as the reason for the issue, not the vaccine. Oh well, better luck not undermining your own point next time.  :(
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on January 02, 2023, 08:29:27 PM
Pretty safe to say with over 50 mill getting the jab, this 1 in 4 got it. More good news for the Mental patients:

"why is Britain so very ill?" Dipweeds jabbed up, that's why silly wabbit

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/dec/30/flu-covid-rsv-britain-ill-bugs-viruses
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 02, 2023, 08:59:59 PM
Pretty safe to say with over 50 mill getting the jab, this 1 in 4 got it. More good news for the Mental patients:

"why is Britain so very ill?" Dipweeds jabbed up, that's why silly wabbit

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/dec/30/flu-covid-rsv-britain-ill-bugs-viruses
Pretty sure they were ill before covid.
Hell, just look at America.  Been murdering eachother since 1776.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 02, 2023, 11:16:50 PM
Pretty safe to say with over 50 mill getting the jab, this 1 in 4 got it. More good news for the Mental patients:

"why is Britain so very ill?" Dipweeds jabbed up, that's why silly wabbit

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/dec/30/flu-covid-rsv-britain-ill-bugs-viruses

Your article seems to explain it...No surprise really...

The winter of 2017-18 was a really bad flu season, with the highest number of excess winter deaths recorded in England and Wales in more than 40 years – although below-average temperatures may also have contributed.

“This year’s flu season started earlier than in 2017, and it seems to be tracking a similar kind of trajectory, with cases still going up,” said Dr Antonia Ho, a consultant in infectious diseases and clinical senior lecturer at the MRC-University of Glasgow Centre for Virus Research.

Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on January 03, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
Monday night football postponed due to everyone watching clot shot in action.

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1610116565965631489
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on January 03, 2023, 04:00:51 PM
Monday night football postponed due to everyone watching clot shot in action.

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1610116565965631489

It must be entertaining, living in your own little fantasy world.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 03, 2023, 04:52:46 PM
Monday night football postponed due to everyone watching clot shot in action.

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1610116565965631489

It must be entertaining, living in your own little fantasy world.

How?  He's literally terrified all the time.  He lives in a grimm's fairytails book where every odd things wants you dead. (And so do some less odd things)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 03, 2023, 06:47:57 PM
Monday night football postponed due to everyone watching clot shot in action.

Though not confirmed...

Fox News medical contributor Dr. Marc Siegel said Tuesday that 24-year-old Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin likely suffered a cardiac arrest and collapsed on-field during Monday's game against the Cincinnati Bengals due to commotio cordis, an arrhythmia brought on by a precisely-timed blow to the chest.

This is why little leaguers where these:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71G19BU4FCL._AC_UL1116_.jpg)

Although rare, commotio cordis has killed 162 Americans since 1980, most of them boys under the age of 14 who were hit by a ball playing baseball or lacrosse.

(https://www.nejm.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/mms/journals/content/nejm/2010/nejm_2010.362.issue-10/nejmra0910111/production/images/img_medium/nejmra0910111_f2.jpeg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Commotio_Cordis_Risk_Zone.jpg)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on January 04, 2023, 01:02:23 AM
These aren't little boys, these are grown muscle men in the best shape of their lives loaded up on vaccines and boosters.

"No player has died directly resulting from an on-field injury in over 51 years, so the fact we’ve come this close to potential tragedy is exceptionally noteworthy.

- There is massive speculation about the cause of Hamlin’s collapse, and it seems a heart problem is the cause." Twitter
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on January 04, 2023, 01:42:32 AM
https://federalinquirer.com/in-1994-160-nations-agreed-to-reduce-the-world-population-to-800-million-by-2030/

In 1994 160 Nations Agreed to Reduce the World Population to 800 Million by 2030

2. Man Made Viruses and Diseases like Fauci’s AIDS virus, when he placed them in Vaccines that were Specifically Targeted to the GAY Population. Also included were multiple man made mutations of the flu, Ebola, etc. The first outbreak was supposed to be released in late 2017 or 2018… well, it was actually 2019.


We have to resist these Vaccines and WAKE UP to what they are trying to do.

The Global Economic and Social Reset is scheduled for 2025.

– Man-made Flu Around 2018 To Depopulate the World To 800 Million. (Pretty Close!)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 04, 2023, 04:32:43 AM
These aren't little boys, these are grown muscle men in the best shape of their lives loaded up on vaccines and boosters.

"No player has died directly resulting from an on-field injury in over 51 years, so the fact we’ve come this close to potential tragedy is exceptionally noteworthy.

- There is massive speculation about the cause of Hamlin’s collapse, and it seems a heart problem is the cause." Twitter

1988 - It's not like this hasn't happened before, even to grown muscle men in the best shape of their lives NOT loaded up on vaccines and boosters...

Chris Pronger, a Hockey Hall of Fame defenseman, recalls his 'scary' cardiac event (https://buffalonews.com/sports/sabres/chris-pronger-a-hockey-hall-of-fame-defenseman-recalls-his-scary-cardiac-event/article_08f5b4e6-8ba5-11ed-a65f-c35d78c3fc05.html)

Pronger was 23 years old and competing with the St. Louis Blues in the Western Conference semifinals of the Stanley Cup Playoffs when he was struck on the left side of his chest by a slap shot from Detroit Red Wings defenseman Dmitri Mironov.

Like Hamlin before his collapse on the field, Pronger managed to stand up following the impact and took two strides before falling to the ice. Teammates huddled around Pronger. Both athletic training staffs rushed to his side.

Pronger was rushed to Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit and diagnosed with commotio cordis, which is a disruption of rhythm that occurs as a result of a blow to the area directly over the heart at a critical time during the cycle of a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 04, 2023, 04:58:56 AM
https://federalinquirer.com/in-1994-160-nations-agreed-to-reduce-the-world-population-to-800-million-by-2030/

In 1994 160 Nations Agreed to Reduce the World Population to 800 Million by 2030

2. Man Made Viruses and Diseases like Fauci’s AIDS virus, when he placed them in Vaccines that were Specifically Targeted to the GAY Population. Also included were multiple man made mutations of the flu, Ebola, etc. The first outbreak was supposed to be released in late 2017 or 2018… well, it was actually 2019.


We have to resist these Vaccines and WAKE UP to what they are trying to do.

The Global Economic and Social Reset is scheduled for 2025.

– Man-made Flu Around 2018 To Depopulate the World To 800 Million. (Pretty Close!)

Entirely fabricated. It's quite remarkable how you will fall for absolutely anything. It's actually impressive.

Here's the final report from the conference. Nothing in your article even remotely resembles anything in the report regarding Agenda 21 or otherwise. It's all about what nations should look to implement in order to handle population growth in a sustainable, socially decent manner. Zero about reducing population. Nothing, nada. Your article is complete garbage.

And there is zero, especially, regarding "The FINAL Stage of their Sinister Plan is supposed to take place in 2024, they plan on causing a fake UFO invasion event with the purpose of brining in Martial Law. From their on, everything will change and our freedom will be gone forever."

Which is absolutely hilarious. How do you find this stuff? Pure comedy gold.

Read for yourself and perhaps put on your thinking cap before googling and/or adjust your feeds.

Report of the International Conference on Population and Development (https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N95/231/26/IMG/N9523126.pdf?OpenElement)
Cairo, 5-13 September 1994
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on January 04, 2023, 08:49:56 PM
Just a few days ago former NBA Utah Jazz legend John Stockton said “I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, over 100 professional athletes dead, in the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated. I had the proof in my hands, the names… I think it’s in the thousands now. Don’t quote me on that”. The media attacked Stockton to ridicule and debunk his statement. In January 2021, even Senator Ron Johnson noticed this issue. Johnson said: “Athletes are dropping dead on the field after receiving the COVID-19 vaccination”. It was just a matter of time before this happened in the NFL.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/roughly-1-7-million-nfl-hits-last-50-years-never-seen-arrhythmia-cardiac-arrest/

More proof the bodies are stacking up and it's now undeniable the vaxx/clott shot is killing. 5 Billion to go.

satans minions are covering up the obvious. I stay away from the jabbed, they shed imo, like cooties.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 04, 2023, 09:50:23 PM
Just a few days ago former NBA Utah Jazz legend John Stockton said “I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, over 100 professional athletes dead, in the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated. I had the proof in my hands, the names… I think it’s in the thousands now. Don’t quote me on that”. The media attacked Stockton to ridicule and debunk his statement. In January 2021, even Senator Ron Johnson noticed this issue. Johnson said: “Athletes are dropping dead on the field after receiving the COVID-19 vaccination”. It was just a matter of time before this happened in the NFL.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/roughly-1-7-million-nfl-hits-last-50-years-never-seen-arrhythmia-cardiac-arrest/

More proof the bodies are stacking up and it's now undeniable the vaxx/clott shot is killing. 5 Billion to go.

satans minions are covering up the obvious. I stay away from the jabbed, they shed imo, like cooties.

Oh!  In the thousands? Wait... in January of 2021?  Like... 3 months after the vaccine was released?

Lets look at that!
https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/lists/athlete-deaths-2022/

Just a quicky article memorializing all the dead athletes(and coaches and sports journalists) of 2022.

So I took the list, grabbed those under 50, and found their cause of death.

Deon Lendore (29) car crash
Dwayne Haskins (24) hit by dump truck.
Jeff Gladney (25) car crash
Marion Barber (38) accidental self induced heat stroke
Jaylon Ferguson (26) accidental OD
Spencer Webb (22) Hit his head on a rock while cliff-diving.
Bobby East (37) Stabbed by asshole.
Paul Duncan (35) Heart attack.
Steve White (48) Lymphocytic Leukemia
Gavin Escobar (31) Climbing accident.  (friend died too)
Hilaree Nelson (49) Avalanche.
Tiffany Jackson (37) Breast Cancer.
Adam Zimmer (38) Alchoholism.
Anthony "Rumble" Johnson (38)  Hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis and non-Hodgkin lymphoma
Grant Wahl*sports journalist* (48) ruptured aortic aneurysm
Ronnie Hillman (31) Cancer.

Of the 17 (a far cry from even 100) only 2 were really sudden.  The rest were long term diseases, accident, or murder (in one case).  Honestly most were accidental deaths.  So not sure your claim holds any water.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: J-Man on January 04, 2023, 10:42:37 PM
Lord Dave please go get a booster, new variant is super duper deadly.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 04, 2023, 11:32:54 PM
Wow! Who knew - The vax's cause alcoholism, car crashes, avalanches, stabbings, and cliff-diving into rocks. Shocking!
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 05, 2023, 12:40:58 AM
Just a few days ago former NBA Utah Jazz legend John Stockton said “I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, over 100 professional athletes dead, in the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated. I had the proof in my hands, the names… I think it’s in the thousands now. Don’t quote me on that”. The media attacked Stockton to ridicule and debunk his statement. In January 2021, even Senator Ron Johnson noticed this issue. Johnson said: “Athletes are dropping dead on the field after receiving the COVID-19 vaccination”. It was just a matter of time before this happened in the NFL.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/roughly-1-7-million-nfl-hits-last-50-years-never-seen-arrhythmia-cardiac-arrest/

More proof the bodies are stacking up and it's now undeniable the vaxx/clott shot is killing. 5 Billion to go.

satans minions are covering up the obvious. I stay away from the jabbed, they shed imo, like cooties.

Oh!  In the thousands? Wait... in January of 2021?  Like... 3 months after the vaccine was released?

Lets look at that!
https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/lists/athlete-deaths-2022/

Just a quicky article memorializing all the dead athletes(and coaches and sports journalists) of 2022.

So I took the list, grabbed those under 50, and found their cause of death.

Deon Lendore (29) car crash
Dwayne Haskins (24) hit by dump truck.
Jeff Gladney (25) car crash
Marion Barber (38) accidental self induced heat stroke
Jaylon Ferguson (26) accidental OD
Spencer Webb (22) Hit his head on a rock while cliff-diving.
Bobby East (37) Stabbed by asshole.
Paul Duncan (35) Heart attack.
Steve White (48) Lymphocytic Leukemia
Gavin Escobar (31) Climbing accident.  (friend died too)
Hilaree Nelson (49) Avalanche.
Tiffany Jackson (37) Breast Cancer.
Adam Zimmer (38) Alchoholism.
Anthony "Rumble" Johnson (38)  Hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis and non-Hodgkin lymphoma
Grant Wahl*sports journalist* (48) ruptured aortic aneurysm
Ronnie Hillman (31) Cancer.

Of the 17 (a far cry from even 100) only 2 were really sudden.  The rest were long term diseases, accident, or murder (in one case).  Honestly most were accidental deaths.  So not sure your claim holds any water.

That's not the right link though. The data is from https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

It shows that over 1000 athletes have died since the introduction of the vaccine, not 16.

At the bottom there are a list of news articles where the data comes from. It shows that a significant number of the athletes died from heart conditions and blood clots. A minority died from causes like alcoholism.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: garygreen on January 05, 2023, 01:56:55 AM
That's not the right link though. The data is from https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

It shows that over 1000 athletes have died since the introduction of the vaccine, not 16.

if you have to lie to make your point, then it isn't a good one.

for one thing, you don't know anything about the medical histories of the deceased people in your lying source. you just assert that they must have died due to being vaccinated. that's extremely dishonest.

for another, here are some of the cases your dishonest source calls "athletes."


apparently an athlete is "anyone who does anything." lol these lying idiots clearly just did a news search for anyone who had a cardiovascular issue and then declared that they got sick because of the vaccine because they are too young, even though they count people literally in their 60s. and then they get even more dishonest by comparing their results to an IOC study that confines itself to actual athletes under 35. and oh by the way, it concludes that "SCD occurs more frequently in young athletes, even those under the age of 18 years, than expected and is predominantly caused by pre-existing congenital cardiac abnormalities."

you are a liar. your source is a liar. you literally cannot even have this discussion without lying over and over and over again. just stop.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: markjo on January 05, 2023, 02:36:48 AM
It shows that over 1000 athletes have died since the introduction of the vaccine, not 16.
Please stop saying "the vaccine" as if there is only one covid vaccine available.  There are 4 different types of covid vaccines available around the world.  There are whole virus, protein subunit, viral vector and nucleic acid (RNA and DNA) vaccines made by a variety of different manufacturers.  Which vaccine(s) did these athletes receive (if any at all)?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 05, 2023, 08:26:39 AM
That's not the right link though. The data is from https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

Someone posted the same link on the other site a couple of days ago. I spot-checked a few dozen listed, looking at the news article links associated with each. None of the articles mentioned the deceased vax status. Zero. Not a one.

So it's a running list of anyone the author claims is an "athlete" who happened to die with zero reference as to whether they were vaxxed or not.

Summary: Basically anyone who died in the last 2 years, died from the vaccines even if they weren't vaccinated.

Utterly pathetic.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on January 05, 2023, 01:52:34 PM
Spike proteins had been discovered some one hundred years ago by Wilhelm Reich. He called them T-bacilli. Here is a diagram, which had been drawn by Reich himself, of the T-bacilli:

(http://wilhelmreich.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/RBTCancer.jpg)

If T-bacilli appeared as “spikes” projecting out of the disintegrating cells during their disintegration, Reich considered this a still more serious indicator of incipient biopathic disease.

The medical term for red blood cells with T-bacilli is Poikilocytosis (term for abnormal shaped red blood cells in the blood; Acanthocytes - red blood cells with unevenly spaced spiked projections that have blunted ends).

Spike proteins are liquid crystals.

T-bacilli are dextrorotatory prions (PrPSc), or beta sheet prions. Beneficial prions are alpha helix or PrPC prions (laevorotatory prions/peptides).

Antidote: 1. alpha helix prions/peptides, 2. proteolytic enzymes (such as bromelaine), 3. specific antibiotics for the mycobacterium.

At the same time that W. Reich was investigating spike proteins, Kurt Blome had discovered the existence of HeLa cells, and that bacteria communicate through radio waves. Some fifteen years later, this technology was imported to the US. Both spike proteins and HeLa cells can send electromagnetic copies of the bacteria from the laboratory to the mycobacterium in the atmosphere.

How did D614G replace Wuhan in just two weeks, worldwide? How did the exotic variants, B.1.1.7, P.1, B.1.351 appear all of a sudden in eastern Europe, with no travel history? Exactly, the primary mode of transmission of Covid-19 is: atmosphere-person. That is why masks are useless. M. avium is handled in BSL-3 level labs, imagine to enter those facilities wearing a cloth mask. It is not even a laughing matter. The secondary mode of transmission is person to person (a minute number of the total cases).

The 1918 flu had started back in 1910 with the arrival of the pathogens from comet Halley (through the Beta Taurids and Taurids meteor showers), that is when a huge pandemic had erupted in China (Himalaya constitutes the first major barrier for those pathogens which are raining down from the atmosphere). Then Chinese workers brought this disease to Europe. During 1915-1917, there was  worldwide pandemic of "coronavirus" (actually M. avium). In 1918, M. avium became M. influenzae. The catalyst was the eruption of the Katla volcano, in October 12, 1918. In turn, M. influenzae became M. bovis (T-bacilli prions).

That is how I knew back in September of 2021 that Omicron (M. influenzae) was going to replace M. avium (Sars-Cov-2). Omicron uses the DPP4 cellular receptor, same as Mers-Cov. The R0 factor for Mers-Cov was the highest ever recorded (higher than measles): 7-19 (in South Korea as an example). Omicron is Mers-Cov-2, and is activating its prion (T-bacilli) domain/region. What Omicron needed, in order to activate these prions, was a helper, another pathogen, MPV. MPV is mousepox, and poxviridae is a variant of M. leprae. There is common genome between Omicron and MPV (amino acid chains of Plasmodium falciparum and Yersinia pestis). MPV is caused by non-canonical RNA G-quadruplexes configurations. MPV contains amino acid sequences from the simian hemorrhagic fever pathogen.

Coronathrax - the pathogen of comet Encke, which will arrive after the reversal of the magnetic poles.

Coronapox - the reassortment of MPV and Omicron (their respective RNA segments).

Coronaflu - the activation of the prion domain in Omicron.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 05, 2023, 04:09:48 PM
I'm not sure a nazi scientist discovering micro-radiowaves in 1940s is the path you wanna go.  I mean, could they even detect something so weak?
And how would it even get to the atmosphere?  It would need to transmit in the watts, not micro or nanowatts a cell could generate.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on January 05, 2023, 05:18:35 PM
Bacteria communicate through radio waves:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2011/04/25/119002/how-bacteria-could-generate-radio-waves/

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.3113.pdf

Montagnier's experiment can be summarised as follows:

A known water sample with 2 ng/ml of 104 bases DNA from an HIV infected patient is diluted by 10 into water and agitated for 15 seconds. After filtration to remove the DNA, the dilution and agitation steps are repeated 10 times, reaching high dilution levels of 10^−10.

The highly diluted sample emits electromagnetic signals (EMS) of low frequencies.

This EMS is recorded by a microphone coil and saved as a 6-second WAV file at the lab in Paris.

The WAV file is emailed to a partner team at the university of Benevento in Italy.

The Italian team emits with a coil for 1 hour the EMS of the WAV file on a sample of distilled water in a sealed metal tube.

The water sample is then placed in a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) machine.

The PCR machine in Italy produces DNA, 98% identical to the initial DNA in Paris.


The experiment was first made in July 2005, and was repeated and filmed for a TV documentary in 2013, released on the French channel France 5 on 5 July 2014.


https://arxiv.org/abs/1501.01620

Transduction of DNA information through water and electromagnetic waves

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.01620.pdf

The quantum field theoretical analysis of the phenomenon points to the crucial role played by coherent molecular dynamics.


The problem has been that Montagnier showed that when compared to pure water, samples chockfull of bacteria, emitted more radio waves, and no one could explain why.

Researchers have known for years that some bacteria do communicate via nanowires, which led Widom and his team to conclude that it wasn’t so farfetched to believe more highly developed bacteria, such as E. coli or Mycoplasma pirum, might instead communicate via wireless medium.

It’s likely these new findings will incite others to look a little deeper, however, as the main argument for rejecting Montagnier’s findings back in 2009, was that bacteria lacked a means for generating radio signals; an assertion that has now been overthrown.


More importantly, though, if simple organisms can communicate using radio waves — and have been communicating using radio waves for billions of years — it would shake the entire bedrock of modern science. Montagnier’s work suggests that cells can send electromagnetic imprints of itself to other, remote cells, but why stop there? If human cells also communicate using radio waves, we might be able to create a digital, silicon-based interface for ‘hacking’ our physiological infrastructure.


Montagnier’s work suggests that cells can send electromagnetic imprints of itself to other, remote cells.


The principle is similar to Benveniste's experiment from 1997[12] where EMS was recorded from ovalbumine at the Northwestern University Medical School of Chicago, and transmitted through email to Benveniste's Digital Biology Laboratory in Clamart, France.

After emitting the signal on pure water for 20 minutes, the water could cause an allergic shock on an isolated Guinea-pig heart allergic to ovalbumine. In both experiments the EMS reproduces the properties of the original molecules in their absence.

https://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(97)81064-0/pdf (pg 75 of the pdf document, item 705)


Omicron is attaining its original, virulent form, M. bovis; right now, it is at the M. influenzae stage, where it begins to activate its prion domain. As an example, C.H.11 has the P681R mutation of Delta.

That is why those experiments in the lab (Omicron + Wuhan) are so dangerous. Those mycobacterium will start to transmit copies of their cells to the M. avium/M. influenzae in the atmosphere, that is how all of the variants had appeared everywhere so fast, almost at once, simultaneously.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 05, 2023, 05:40:34 PM
You claimed Kurt Blome discovered it.  How is this other guy discovering it?

Also, the article very clearly says "could" not "does".  And his research is sketchy at best.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on January 05, 2023, 06:24:03 PM
K. Blome had discovered that bacteria communicate wirelessly. In 2009, Nobel prize winner Luc Montagnier confirmed these experiments. Then, in 2011, finally the finishing touches and theoretical results were added:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.3113.pdf

Electromagnetic Signals from Bacterial DNA

But the most interesting work done on Blome's original experiments was performed by Dr. Vlail Kaznacheyev:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4267444/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318985550_Heuristic_View_on_Quantum_Bio-Photon_Cellular_Communication

https://pdfcoffee.com/the-kaznacheyev-experiments-2-pdf-free.html



Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 05, 2023, 10:50:06 PM
I mean... random electrical noise because electrons are moving around a DNA loop isn't exactly amazing.  Humans are generating WAY more EM than a bacteria.  Plus, the sigal strength is going to be very very small.  So how would it reach into the air to "Talk" to anything?  And how does it control the random electron movement?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on January 06, 2023, 07:00:30 AM
Plus, the sigal strength is going to be very very small.  So how would it reach into the air to "Talk" to anything?  And how does it control the random electron movement?

Exactly. So, how would you make sure that those bacteria benefit from using both an amplifier and an antenna? Remember this?

https://web.archive.org/web/20210611184613/ https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=lXjjOLhFnHA (remove the spaces)

Twitter from "Trump" in 2017: "covfefe".

Covid ferritin Fe cages. A mobile phone is a non-metallic object. So, you'd need an infrared laser and the quantum Hall effect.

https://stolenhistory.net/threads/sandokhans-link-and-post-collection.5397/page-2#post-100148
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 06, 2023, 08:12:12 AM
That's not the right link though. The data is from https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

Someone posted the same link on the other site a couple of days ago. I spot-checked a few dozen listed, looking at the news article links associated with each. None of the articles mentioned the deceased vax status. Zero. Not a one.

Well this is a lie. There are plenty of mentions of "vaccine" in the news article section.

(https://i.imgur.com/4VjFy8Q.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 06, 2023, 08:41:27 AM
Plus, the sigal strength is going to be very very small.  So how would it reach into the air to "Talk" to anything?  And how does it control the random electron movement?

Exactly. So, how would you make sure that those bacteria benefit from using both an amplifier and an antenna? Remember this?

https://web.archive.org/web/20210611184613/ https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=lXjjOLhFnHA (remove the spaces)

Twitter from "Trump" in 2017: "covfefe".

Covid ferritin Fe cages. A mobile phone is a non-metallic object. So, you'd need an infrared laser and the quantum Hall effect.

https://stolenhistory.net/threads/sandokhans-link-and-post-collection.5397/page-2#post-100148

I still can't get magnets to stick to me. :(

Anyway, a cell phone works on much higher frequency than anything a bacteria would generate.  Its just not designed to amplify low am/fm signals.  And some iron plus infralasers shouldn't do anything.  Especially through skin.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on January 06, 2023, 09:03:17 AM
And some iron plus infralasers shouldn't do anything.

But they will.

You are forgetting what happened during the month of March, 2021, in eastern Europe (as an example). All of a sudden, the new exotic variants B.1.1.7, P.1, B.1.351 had emerged all over the place, without any travel history on the part of the infected persons. Using the spike proteins and HeLa cells (for AZ/J vaccines), the mycobacterium did send electromagnetic copies of their cells to the bacteria in the atmosphere, which promptly received the new signal and changed their configuration to reflect the new variants which had been developing in the vaccinees.

Vaccinations do cause strains.

https://www.francesoir.fr/opinions-tribunes/covid-19-questions-sur-les-vaccins

Mais patatras, voilà que l’Académie de médecine s’y met, et maladroitement, car son explication pour ne pas différer la seconde injection, remet dans le circuit le risque de mutations dues aux vaccins. Outre le fait que « le retard peut faire en sorte que des anticorps facilitants créés pourrait exacerber la Covid-19 », le communiqué indique aussi que « le faible niveau d’immunité (après la primo-vaccination) constituera un terrain favorable pour sélectionner l’émergence d’un ou de plusieurs variants échappant à l’immunité induite par la vaccination ». Cela a été répété par Yves Buisson rapporteur, sur France Info.

Seconde question : y a-t-il un lien entre vaccins et derniers mutants ? Le communiqué de l’Académie de médecine dit que c’est possible, et des faits me troublent.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/vaccins-contre-le-covid-19-en-espacant-les-deux-doses-de-vaccin-on-risque-d-avoir-des-mutations-du-virus-alerte-un-professeur-de-medecine_4255067.html

By spacing the two doses of vaccine, "we risk having mutations" of the virus, alerted Tuesday, January 12 on franceinfo, Professor Yves Buisson of the National Academy of Medicine, president of the Covid-19 cell .

In addition to the fact that "the delay may ensure that facilitating antibodies created could exacerbate Covid-19", the press release also indicates that "the low level of immunity (after the primary vaccination) will constitute a favorable ground for selecting the 'emergence of one or more variants escaping immunity induced by vaccination'.

Second question: is there a link between vaccines and the latest mutants? The press release from the Academy of Medicine says it is possible, and I am troubled by the facts.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 06, 2023, 10:49:56 AM
Couple of problems.

1. That means that covid is airborne so travel is irrelevant.  It'll be blown via global winds.
2. Also means that if you know the frequency it broadcasts at (and seems you do) you should be able to detect it from vaccinated people and not from unvaccinated.
3. Also means said frequency is detectable in an EM shielded room with 1 vaccinated person in it.
4. Also means that the dna of the bacteria in the atmosphere is so easily altered that UV light would basically kill it as its dna is too weakly bonded.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: sandokhan on January 06, 2023, 03:05:26 PM
Covid-19 is an airborne M. avium. Had each person, in each country, received a kit with clarithromycin/azithromycin through mail, back in february of 2020, there would have been no pandemic at all.

Now, the world is totally unprepared to deal with Coronapox and Coronaflu. Omicron has already activated its prion domain.

https://www.panspermia.org/whatsnew91.htm#20180207

More than 800 million viruses per square meter per day descend from the high atmosphere to the ground.
bacteria and viruses in Spain. This news comes from an international team who sampled the air weekly or bi-weekly from two mountain sites 3 km high in southern Spain. They found that bacteria and viruses above the atmospheric boundary layer are more abundant, can persist longer and can travel farther than previously known.


No one is asking the most important question: why has the volume of such pathogens increased by a large factor ever since November of 2019? Certainly these mycobacteria arrive each and every day on the surface of the Earth.

The lethal wave of influenza in 1918-19... was first detected on the same day in Boston and Bombay. Yet in spreading within the United States it took three weeks to go from Boston to New York. — Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe

https://www.academia.edu/42041228/Comments_on_the_Origin_and_Spread_of_the_2019_Coronavirus

https://www.panspermia.org/panfluenza.htm

https://vixra.org/pdf/2002.0118v1.pdf

https://www.panspermia.org/whatsnew99.htm#20200227

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(03)13440-X/fulltext

https://www.panspermia.org/virusesfromspace2.pdf

On October 11 2019 a meteoritic bolide (probably fragment of a comet) explodes in a brief flash in Nth East China. We think it probable that this bolide contained embedded within it a monoculture of infective nCoV-2019 virus particles that survived in the interior of the incandescent meteor.

Also well documented is that, in the winter of 1918, the disease appeared suddenly in the frozen wastes of Alaska, in villages that had been isolated for several months. Mathematical modelling of epidemics such as the one described invariably involves the ad hoc introduction of many unproven hypotheses—for example, that of the superspreader. In situations where proven infectivity is limited only to close contacts, a super-spreader is someone who can, on occasion, simultaneously infect a large number of susceptible individuals, thus causing the sporadic emergence of new clusters of disease. The recognition of a possible vertical input of external origin is conspicuously missing in such explanations.

With respect to the SARS outbreak, a prima facie case for a possible space incidence can already be made. First, the virus is unexpectedly novel, and appeared without warning in mainland China. A small amount of the culprit virus introduced into the stratosphere could make a first tentative fall out East of the great mountain range of the Himalayas, where the stratosphere is thinnest, followed by sporadic deposits in neighbouring areas. If the virus is only minimally infective, as it seems to be, the subsequent course of its global progress will depend on stratospheric transport and mixing, leading to a fall out continuing seasonally over a few years. Although all reasonable attempts to contain the infective spread of SARS should be continued, we should remain vigilant for the appearance of new foci (unconnected with infective contacts or with China) almost anywhere on the plant. New cases might continue to appear until the stratospheric supply of the causative agent becomes exhausted.


https://cosmictusk.com/wickramasinghe-predicted-coronavirus-pandemic-in-november-2019/

On November 25th, 2019, Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe made the following stark warning, weeks before the coronavirus emerged.

On the basis of this data, there appears to be a prima facie case for expecting new viral strains to emerge over the coming months and so it would be prudent for Public Health Authorities the world over to be vigilant and prepared for any necessary action. We need hardly to be reminded that the spectre of the 1918 devastating influenza pandemic stares us in the face from across a century.

Chandra Wickramasinghe, Current Science, November 25, 2019


https://cosmictusk.com/wp-content/uploads/CurrentScience2020-copy.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1079424/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326160954_Comets_and_Contagion_Evolution_Plague_and_Diseases_From_Space

http://journalofcosmology.com/Panspermia10.html

https://www.longdom.org/open-access/the-role-of-viruses-and-viral-infections-in-the-theory-of-panspermia-2332-2519.1000111.pdf

Would it still be possible to achieve herd immunity, even at this late stage of the pandemic? Yes. If the health authorities in each country would distribute clarithromycin to each person, herd immunity could still be achieved.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: AATW on January 06, 2023, 04:21:03 PM
Covid-19 is an airborne M. avium. Had each person, in each country, received a kit with clarithromycin/azithromycin through mail, back in february of 2020, there would have been no pandemic at all.
If only the medical experts around the world had listened to some bloke on the internet.
It's a real head scratcher that they didn't.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 06, 2023, 05:21:13 PM
 If a comet fragment carried covid, you're telling me Covid 19, which is very similar to Covid 18,17,16,... Is from outter space.  Its an alien bacteria that looks like a virus and has the dna thats very earth like....
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 06, 2023, 06:43:55 PM
That's not the right link though. The data is from https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

Someone posted the same link on the other site a couple of days ago. I spot-checked a few dozen listed, looking at the news article links associated with each. None of the articles mentioned the deceased vax status. Zero. Not a one.

Well this is a lie. There are plenty of mentions of "vaccine" in the news article section.

(https://i.imgur.com/4VjFy8Q.png)

It's pretty clear you're the one doing the lying. You found one. Good for you. I checked the news stories for the 10 before yours and the 10 after. No mention of vaccine status. Zero.

If someone was actually being truthful, there shouldn't be a single name on that list where the vaccine status is unknown, not mentioned.

The literal title of the post is "1616 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 1114 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injection"

"Since Covid Injection" Get it? Yet all the ones I've looked at there's no mention of a "Covid Injection". Now do you get how wrong this is?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 06, 2023, 10:42:11 PM
That's not the right link though. The data is from https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

Someone posted the same link on the other site a couple of days ago. I spot-checked a few dozen listed, looking at the news article links associated with each. None of the articles mentioned the deceased vax status. Zero. Not a one.

Well this is a lie. There are plenty of mentions of "vaccine" in the news article section.

(https://i.imgur.com/4VjFy8Q.png)

It's pretty clear you're the one doing the lying. You found one. Good for you. I checked the news stories for the 10 before yours and the 10 after. No mention of vaccine status. Zero.

This is a blatant lie as well. Checking the ten news stories before number 973 and ten after that number shows that you came here and decided to lie to us again.

#963

(https://i.imgur.com/yMAOEPY.png)

#968

(https://i.imgur.com/EOjfxHX.png)

#983

(https://i.imgur.com/UkLKW35.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 07, 2023, 06:29:23 AM
That's not the right link though. The data is from https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

Someone posted the same link on the other site a couple of days ago. I spot-checked a few dozen listed, looking at the news article links associated with each. None of the articles mentioned the deceased vax status. Zero. Not a one.

Well this is a lie. There are plenty of mentions of "vaccine" in the news article section.

(https://i.imgur.com/4VjFy8Q.png)

It's pretty clear you're the one doing the lying. You found one. Good for you. I checked the news stories for the 10 before yours and the 10 after. No mention of vaccine status. Zero.

This is a blatant lie as well. Checking the ten news stories before number 973 and ten after that number shows that you came here and decided to lie to us again.

#963

(https://i.imgur.com/yMAOEPY.png)

#968

(https://i.imgur.com/EOjfxHX.png)

#983

(https://i.imgur.com/UkLKW35.png)

Hey tom.
Hey....
Did ya see the word "news"?  Why don't ya screenshot the site linked to "story" where "vaccinate" shows up.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 07, 2023, 09:41:53 AM
This is a blatant lie as well. Checking the ten news stories before number 973 and ten after that number shows that you came here and decided to lie to us again.

As Dave mentioned, I checked the "News" stories for each. I assume the author put those News links there for a reason. None of the News links that I checked mention the vaccine status so how would the author know the vaccine status?

From yours:

Kondilios, from news story, vaccinated, died from Dorono virus:

"Devastated friends and family of a healthy 23-year-old who died this week after being hospitalised for Covid-19 have pleaded with the public to take the virus seriously."

James Kondilios, a respected young scientist and powerlifter who lived in Canberra, was double vaccinated and had no underlying health issues, but died on Tuesday at St Vincent's Hospital.

He was being treated there after suffering severe complications from Covid-19, leaving his loved ones in shock.
"

Matty John, suffered pericarditis most likely from the vax ( not sure which one), which is terrible. But a known rare side effect. Didn't die.

Cassano, from the news story, "Antonio Cassano was discharged from the San Martino polyclinic in Genoa where he had been hospitalized a few days ago for treatment resulting from the positive state of Covid-19."

No vax status mentioned.

More random picks 700's, 800', 900's:

06/01/2022 Luxembourg Dead
Mathieu Léonard
No mention of vax status in News link

14/01/2022 Brazil Dead
Jader Cezario de Oliveira
No mention of vax status in News link

05/02/2022 Italy Dead
Assare Seare
No mention of vax status in News link

24/02/2022 NZ Dead
Va’aiga Tuigamala
No mention of vax status in News link

Like I said, if you create a blog post titled, "1621 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 1118 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injection" you at least need to know and provide evidence of "Covid Injection" status, right?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on January 07, 2023, 06:22:34 PM
If a comet fragment carried covid, you're telling me Covid 19, which is very similar to Covid 18,17,16,... Is from outter space.  Its an alien bacteria that looks like a virus and has the dna thats very earth like....

I think that was the sci-fi movie, "The Blob." It was some kind of bacterio-virus thing.

Covid-19 is an airborne M. avium. Had each person, in each country, received a kit with clarithromycin/azithromycin through mail, back in february of 2020, there would have been no pandemic at all.

Right, like I'm really going to use some government issued suppository crawling with nanites and tentacle creatures causing all kinds of weird side effects to protect me.  I'll take my chances with COVID.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 07, 2023, 06:27:45 PM
This is a blatant lie as well. Checking the ten news stories before number 973 and ten after that number shows that you came here and decided to lie to us again.

As Dave mentioned, I checked the "News" stories for each. I assume the author put those News links there for a reason. None of the News links that I checked mention the vaccine status so how would the author know the vaccine status?

What dishonesty. Each of those news articles I pointed out mentions vaccine status.

https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

(https://i.imgur.com/yMAOEPY.png)

From the news article (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10375181/Covid-19-Omicron-James-Kondilios-23-Christine-Eross-65-latest-tragic-victims-virus.html):

(https://i.imgur.com/jKFtWYZ.png)

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(https://i.imgur.com/EOjfxHX.png)

From the news article (https://web.archive.org/web/20221012003600/https://www.unionesarda.it/en/antonio-cassano-discharged-from-hospital-quot-the-treatment-will-continue-at-homequot-lkhm1x99):

(https://i.imgur.com/6C8cuVT.png)

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(https://i.imgur.com/UkLKW35.png)

First article dead, second article links directly to a news segment about how Matty John experienced severe pericarditis after the vaccine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYFUHQJXjdo&ab_channel=7NEWSAustralia

There was an entire news segment about his issues with the vaccine.

Please stop coming here to lie to us. You have been caught making multiple lies now.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 07, 2023, 07:13:01 PM
Tom's right.
James Kondilios had a know vaccination status in that article and others.

He died of covid, not the vaccine.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 07, 2023, 08:21:16 PM
Cassano was admitted to the hospital for Covid 19. Got two doses of vax and sent home after he recovered from Covid.
Kondilios I said was vaxed, but according to the news report, died from Covid.
And the Matty guy I said probably got his heart problem from the vax, a known but rare side effect.

Funny how you said nothing of the others I checked with no mentioned vax status. Hmmmm.

And again, if someone is gonna make a blog post and claim "1621 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 1118 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injection" shouldn't you know the COVID Injection status of each?

That's an awfully bold claim to not know if someone got the COVID Injection or not, don't you think?

More random spot-checking:

25/06/2022 Minnesota, USA Dead
William Harding
Two News reports, actually obits, NO mention of vax status
_______

15/08/2022 Michigan, USA Dead
Tyler Edwards
Even for a linked Gateway Pundit article; NO mention of vax status
_______

28/04/2022 Tennessee, USA
Linton Beck
NO mention of vax status
_______

01/04/2022 England Dead
Hannah Purvis
NO mention of vax status
_______

16/06/2022 Algeria Dead
Billel Ben Hamouda
Died on Thursday evening in a car accident, NO mention of vax status

Died in a car accident? Doesn't quite sound like death by "COVID Injection" now does it?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 07, 2023, 08:50:04 PM
Cassano was admitted to the hospital for Covid 19. Got two doses of vax and sent home after he recovered from Covid.
Kondilios I said was vaxed, but according to the news report, died from Covid.
And the Matty guy I said probably got his heart problem from the vax, a known but rare side effect.

So you lied to us then when you said:

None of the articles mentioned the deceased vax status. Zero. Not a one.

And you lied to us again here:

It's pretty clear you're the one doing the lying. You found one. Good for you. I checked the news stories for the 10 before yours and the 10 after. No mention of vaccine status. Zero.

You did not check the 10 news stories before and 10 after. You lied to us.

Quote from: stack
Funny how you said nothing of the others I checked with no mentioned vax status. Hmmmm.

You said that you checked the articles. You didn't. You lied.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on January 07, 2023, 09:36:09 PM
Tap-Dancing Tom Bishop has to latch on to inappropriate hyperbole from Stack to cover up how shitty his source and argument are.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 08, 2023, 12:12:55 AM
Cassano was admitted to the hospital for Covid 19. Got two doses of vax and sent home after he recovered from Covid.
Kondilios I said was vaxed, but according to the news report, died from Covid.
And the Matty guy I said probably got his heart problem from the vax, a known but rare side effect.

So you lied to us then when you said:

None of the articles mentioned the deceased vax status. Zero. Not a one.

Nope. I was referring to the ones I originally checked.

And you lied to us again here:

It's pretty clear you're the one doing the lying. You found one. Good for you. I checked the news stories for the 10 before yours and the 10 after. No mention of vaccine status. Zero.

You did not check the 10 news stories before and 10 after. You lied to us.

Yep, I did check them.  Go ahead and look for yourself.

Quote from: stack
Funny how you said nothing of the others I checked with no mentioned vax status. Hmmmm.

You said that you checked the articles. You didn't. You lied.

Nope. I did check them. Go ahead and look for yourself.

And go ahead and check the ones I checked. Especially my favorite:

16/06/2022 Algeria Dead
Billel Ben Hamouda
Died on Thursday evening in a car accident, NO mention of vax status

Car accident?

The point being, when the author claims that "1621 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 1118 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injection" then the list of 1621 better all be dead or harmed by a "COVID Injection". Meaning, the vax status for 1621 should be known for each and every one of them and be a YES for COVID Injection. And I (or anyone) can find many with vax status completely unmentioned and unknown. So put on your thinking cap and explain how 1621 people died or were harmed by a "COVID Injection" when it's unknown as to whether they ever had a "COVID Injection". In other words, the author is lying. Not me.

How you're not getting this is is remarkable. Do you think it's ok to claim that someone died from a vaccine when they actually died in a car accident? Do you believe that car accidents are actually COVID Injections?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 08, 2023, 12:36:11 AM
Tap-Dancing Tom Bishop has to latch on to inappropriate hyperbole from Stack to cover up how shitty his source and argument are.

What's hyperbole to me is lying by claiming that 1600+ people died or were harmed by a vaccine when rafts of them have no evidence of being vaccinated. I mean, that's just an out and out lie.
Now my hyperbole may be that there shouldn't be a single error in the morbid list. But when I keep finding ones where the author even went to the trouble of linking to news articles as if proof of COVID Injections as the killer and no mention of COVID Injections is found, time and time again, it is clear the source is dubious at best and indefensible.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 08, 2023, 07:58:56 AM
Tap-Dancing Tom Bishop has to latch on to inappropriate hyperbole from Stack to cover up how shitty his source and argument are.

What's hyperbole to me is lying by claiming that 1600+ people died or were harmed by a vaccine when rafts of them have no evidence of being vaccinated. I mean, that's just an out and out lie.
Now my hyperbole may be that there shouldn't be a single error in the morbid list. But when I keep finding ones where the author even went to the trouble of linking to news articles as if proof of COVID Injections as the killer and no mention of COVID Injections is found, time and time again, it is clear the source is dubious at best and indefensible.

Tom is latching onto your "None of the articles" when one a few do mention it.  Hell, you basically proved yourself wrong.

What you copied:
"Devastated friends and family of a healthy 23-year-old who died this week after being hospitalised for Covid-19 have pleaded with the public to take the virus seriously."

James Kondilios, a respected young scientist and powerlifter who lived in Canberra, was double vaccinated and had no underlying health issues, but died on Tuesday at St Vincent's Hospital.

He was being treated there after suffering severe complications from Covid-19, leaving his loved ones in shock."


Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on January 08, 2023, 02:55:29 PM
Tap-Dancing Tom Bishop has to latch on to inappropriate hyperbole from Stack to cover up how shitty his source and argument are.

What's hyperbole to me is lying by claiming that 1600+ people died or were harmed by a vaccine when rafts of them have no evidence of being vaccinated. I mean, that's just an out and out lie.
Now my hyperbole may be that there shouldn't be a single error in the morbid list. But when I keep finding ones where the author even went to the trouble of linking to news articles as if proof of COVID Injections as the killer and no mention of COVID Injections is found, time and time again, it is clear the source is dubious at best and indefensible.

I got you. I was steel-manning your position. By giving the most uncharitable version, Tom has less room to concoct the inevitable bullshit.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 08, 2023, 05:48:54 PM
Exclaiming that none of the articles have vax status might be hyperbole.

Claiming that you checked the ten articles before and the ten articles after is not. That is a blatant lie of claiming to do something you did not do to try to win your argument.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on January 08, 2023, 06:48:28 PM
Exclaiming that none of the articles have vax status might be hyperbole.

Claiming that you checked the ten articles before and the ten articles after is not. That is a blatant lie of claiming to do something you did not do to try to win your argument.

When all Tom has left is to blather on and on about semantics, you know you got him.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 08, 2023, 11:51:42 PM
Exclaiming that none of the articles have vax status might be hyperbole.

I didn't claim none. Just the ones I checked where there was no mention of vax status. Pretty simple really.

Claiming that you checked the ten articles before and the ten articles after is not. That is a blatant lie of claiming to do something you did not do to try to win your argument.

And how exactly did you determine this?

And I have a really simple question for you. The author claims that the 1600+ listed were killed or harmed by the "COVID Injection". Do you believe that claim to be:

TRUE
or
FALSE

I bet dollars to donuts that you won't answer the question.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 22, 2023, 07:19:10 PM
Exclaiming that none of the articles have vax status might be hyperbole.

I didn't claim none. Just the ones I checked where there was no mention of vax status. Pretty simple really.

You specifically claimed that you checked the ten articles before and ten articles after. You lied.

Quote from: stack
Claiming that you checked the ten articles before and the ten articles after is not. That is a blatant lie of claiming to do something you did not do to try to win your argument.
And how exactly did you determine this?

You claimed it publicly on the forum here:

It's pretty clear you're the one doing the lying. You found one. Good for you. I checked the news stories for the 10 before yours and the 10 after. No mention of vaccine status. Zero.

Quote from: stack
And I have a really simple question for you. The author claims that the 1600+ listed were killed or harmed by the "COVID Injection". Do you believe that claim to be:

TRUE
or
FALSE

I bet dollars to donuts that you won't answer the question.

The author does not specifically claim that all people died because of the vaccine. This is another lie from you. The author gives the deaths as a reason to be suspicious of the vaccination program.

The author concedes in the first paragraph on the page (https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/) that it is possible that not all of the people listed were vaccinated: "While it is possible this can happen to people who did not get a COVID vaccine, the sheer numbers clearly point to the only obvious cause."

Please refrain from making blatant lies if you wish to engage in any meaningful discussion.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 22, 2023, 07:32:07 PM
This is the fallacy of "Trust the Science" and appeals to authority:

https://twitter.com/hugh_mankind/status/1617186187524833281
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on January 22, 2023, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: stack
And I have a really simple question for you. The author claims that the 1600+ listed were killed or harmed by the "COVID Injection". Do you believe that claim to be:

TRUE
or
FALSE

I bet dollars to donuts that you won't answer the question.

The author does not specifically claim that all people died because of the vaccine. This is another lie from you. The author gives the deaths as a reason to be suspicious of the vaccination program.

The author concedes in the first paragraph on the page (https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/) that it is possible that not all of the people listed were vaccinated: "While it is possible this can happen to people who did not get a COVID vaccine, the sheer numbers clearly point to the only obvious cause."

Please refrain from making blatant lies if you wish to engage in any meaningful discussion.

"While it is possible this can happen to people who did not get a COVID vaccine, the sheer numbers clearly point to the only obvious cause."

"In response to their pronouncement, here is a non-exhaustive and continuously growing list of mainly young athletes who had major medical issues in 2021/2022 after receiving one or more COVID vaccines."

Seems pretty clear they are saying what the “only obvious cause” is and that their list is of people who were harmed "after receiving one or more COVID vaccines.

And yet we find many, many entries in the list where vax status is completely absent/unknown. How is it a list of people who received "one or more COVID vaccines" when we don't have any evidence that they did receive "one or more COVID vaccines"? How does that work?

Still won't answer the True/False question? Didn't think so.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on January 22, 2023, 09:12:19 PM
This is the fallacy of "Trust the Science" and appeals to authority:

They aren't looking because there is no public health basis to do so and because doing so would only serve to feed the idiot trolls, like yourself.  No fallacy there, just troll idiots, like yourself.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 29, 2023, 02:57:33 AM
The seemingly endless material on this is definitely interesting. It's possible that some of the alt news on this is true. I doubt it will stop. Imagine having to spend the rest of your life worried about the science experiments you willingly had injected into your body.

https://twitter.com/_Janey_J/status/1619180928353591296
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 29, 2023, 07:13:29 AM
The seemingly endless material on this is definitely interesting. It's possible that some of the alt news on this is true. I doubt it will stop. Imagine having to spend the rest of your life worried about the science experiments you willingly had injected into your body.

https://twitter.com/_Janey_J/status/1619180928353591296

This is clearly false.
The vaccine (because only one exists) gives blood clots, 5G, and ASDS.  Not AIDS.

Geeze, learn the proper narrative.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on January 29, 2023, 03:51:44 PM
“Further analysis showed that the average fully vaccinated German would reach minus-100% immune system degradation by the end of January 2022.“

This means that literally every fully vaccinated German would already be dead, so obviously this isn’t true.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 29, 2023, 04:15:59 PM
Considering that it is talking about vaccinated people getting Covid more often than non-vaccinated, it is possible for it to be a 100%, or even 200% or 500% difference.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on January 29, 2023, 04:22:40 PM
A fine, upstanding example of a pharmaceutical executive in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAW_zRoO5bM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SjtYsET8Tc
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on January 29, 2023, 05:04:35 PM
“Further analysis showed that the average fully vaccinated German would reach minus-100% immune system degradation by the end of January 2022.“

This means that literally every fully vaccinated German would already be dead, so obviously this isn’t true.

No it does not.

'-100% degredation' is a double negative.  So it means that fully vaccinated people will have 100% strong immune system.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on January 29, 2023, 06:12:33 PM
 :'(
“Further analysis showed that the average fully vaccinated German would reach minus-100% immune system degradation by the end of January 2022.“

This means that literally every fully vaccinated German would already be dead, so obviously this isn’t true.

No it does not.

'-100% degredation' is a double negative.  So it means that fully vaccinated people will have 100% strong immune system.

True. Anyway, between Tom and Action69 this thread is giving me a headache. I’m out for now.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 01, 2023, 11:17:03 PM
Germany has a 76.23% full vax rate. Kinda seems obvious that more vaxed people would get covid than unvaxed peoples.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 02, 2023, 05:09:14 AM
Germany has a 76.23% full vax rate. Kinda seems obvious that more vaxed people would get covid than unvaxed peoples.

The article says it accounts for that -

https://newspunch.com/german-govt-bombshell-alarming-number-of-vaccinated-are-developing-aids/

Quote
In Germany at the time, 70.53% were fully vacinated, 2.97% were partially vaccinated and 26.5% were unvaccinated, according to reports.

So the unvaccinated had 186 cases out of 26.5% of the population. While the fully vaccinated had 4020 cases out of 70.53% of the population.

So the vaccinated Omicron case incidence was 57 per 1 per cent of the population (830,000 is 1% of the 83 million German population). While the unvaccinated Omicron case incidence was just 7.02 per 1 per cent of the population.

So the vaccinated were (57.0/7.02 =) 8.12x more likely to be infected with Omicron than the unvaccinated in Germany .
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 03, 2023, 12:19:17 AM
What's really interesting is that the article says:

"So the unvaccinated had 186 cases out of 26.5% of the population. While the fully vaccinated had 4020 cases out of 70.53% of the population."

Unvaxed = 186 cases of Omicron, 26% of pop, or 22m
Vaxed = 4020 case of Omicron, 70% of pop, or 61m

(Pay attention to the 186 number)

Meaning the Omincron infection rate is:

Unvaxed = 0.0008%
Vaxed = 0.006%

The article uses that data to then go about their extrapolations.

However, when you click on the link in article to the data report they are citing, "Weekly status report of the RKI on coronavirus disease-2019 (Covid-19)" from the Koch Institute, 12/30/2021 – UPDATED STATUS FOR GERMANY, SHORT REPORT and translate the pdf from German, right up at the top, in red, it says:

"Correction: On p. 14, the number of unvaccinated among the reported omicron cases on January 3, 2022 was corrected (before: 186; afterwards: 1,097)."

So now that 186 number in the article is actually 1097.

Doing the calculations again with the corrected number:

Unvaxed = 186 1097 cases of Omicron, 26% of pop, or 22m
Vaxed = 4020 case of Omicron, 70% of pop, or 61m

Meaning the Omincron infection rate is:

Unvaxed = .0008% 0.005%
Vaxed = 0.006%

Now, it's 0.005% versus 0.006% which renders the entire article incorrect and moot.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 03, 2023, 05:46:41 PM
What's really interesting is that the article says:

"So the unvaccinated had 186 cases out of 26.5% of the population. While the fully vaccinated had 4020 cases out of 70.53% of the population."

Unvaxed = 186 cases of Omicron, 26% of pop, or 22m
Vaxed = 4020 case of Omicron, 70% of pop, or 61m

(Pay attention to the 186 number)

Meaning the Omincron infection rate is:

Unvaxed = 0.0008%
Vaxed = 0.006%

The article uses that data to then go about their extrapolations.

However, when you click on the link in article to the data report they are citing, "Weekly status report of the RKI on coronavirus disease-2019 (Covid-19)" from the Koch Institute, 12/30/2021 – UPDATED STATUS FOR GERMANY, SHORT REPORT and translate the pdf from German, right up at the top, in red, it says:

"Correction: On p. 14, the number of unvaccinated among the reported omicron cases on January 3, 2022 was corrected (before: 186; afterwards: 1,097)."

So now that 186 number in the article is actually 1097.

Doing the calculations again with the corrected number:

Unvaxed = 186 1097 cases of Omicron, 26% of pop, or 22m
Vaxed = 4020 case of Omicron, 70% of pop, or 61m

Meaning the Omincron infection rate is:

Unvaxed = .0008% 0.005%
Vaxed = 0.006%

Now, it's 0.005% versus 0.006% which renders the entire article incorrect and moot.
Wrong.

It is .005% vs .007%

1097/22000000 * 100 = .00498 or .005

4020/61000000 * 100 = .00659 or .007
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 03, 2023, 07:02:48 PM
What's really interesting is that the article says:

"So the unvaccinated had 186 cases out of 26.5% of the population. While the fully vaccinated had 4020 cases out of 70.53% of the population."

Unvaxed = 186 cases of Omicron, 26% of pop, or 22m
Vaxed = 4020 case of Omicron, 70% of pop, or 61m

(Pay attention to the 186 number)

Meaning the Omincron infection rate is:

Unvaxed = 0.0008%
Vaxed = 0.006%

The article uses that data to then go about their extrapolations.

However, when you click on the link in article to the data report they are citing, "Weekly status report of the RKI on coronavirus disease-2019 (Covid-19)" from the Koch Institute, 12/30/2021 – UPDATED STATUS FOR GERMANY, SHORT REPORT and translate the pdf from German, right up at the top, in red, it says:

"Correction: On p. 14, the number of unvaccinated among the reported omicron cases on January 3, 2022 was corrected (before: 186; afterwards: 1,097)."

So now that 186 number in the article is actually 1097.

Doing the calculations again with the corrected number:

Unvaxed = 186 1097 cases of Omicron, 26% of pop, or 22m
Vaxed = 4020 case of Omicron, 70% of pop, or 61m

Meaning the Omincron infection rate is:

Unvaxed = .0008% 0.005%
Vaxed = 0.006%

Now, it's 0.005% versus 0.006% which renders the entire article incorrect and moot.
Wrong.

It is .005% vs .007%

1097/22000000 * 100 = .00498 or .005

4020/61000000 * 100 = .00659 or .007

Looks like I was off by 0.00041. My bad.

Still renders the article incorrect and moot so I'm not sure what the necessity was for the heavy lifting on the math, but I appreciate the input and correction nonetheless.

Maybe next you could work out the difference between the article's 186 and the actual real data from the source of 1097. Looking forward to your results.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 03, 2023, 07:08:26 PM
Maybe next you could work out the difference between the article's 186 and the actual real data from the source of 1097. Looking forward to your results.
Maybe next time, you could actually point out the link in the article where you found the new number.

Look forward to your follow-up.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 03, 2023, 08:00:12 PM
Maybe next you could work out the difference between the article's 186 and the actual real data from the source of 1097. Looking forward to your results.
Maybe next time, you could actually point out the link in the article where you found the new number.

Look forward to your follow-up.

You really need to work on your reading comrehension skills...

However, when you click on the link in article to the data report they are citing, "Weekly status report of the RKI on coronavirus disease-2019 (Covid-19)" from the Koch Institute, 12/30/2021 – UPDATED STATUS FOR GERMANY, SHORT REPORT and translate the pdf from German, right up at the top, in red, it says:

"Correction: On p. 14, the number of unvaccinated among the reported omicron cases on January 3, 2022 was corrected (before: 186; afterwards: 1,097)."

But because I'm feeling charitable, here's a quick tutorial on some of the basics of website functionality, of which, apparently, you seem to be unaware of...

(https://i.imgur.com/BN6wIDF.jpg)

Let me know if you need any further assistance.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 04, 2023, 05:00:49 AM
Maybe next you could work out the difference between the article's 186 and the actual real data from the source of 1097. Looking forward to your results.
Maybe next time, you could actually point out the link in the article where you found the new number.

Look forward to your follow-up.

You really need to work on your reading comrehension skills...

However, when you click on the link in article to the data report they are citing, "Weekly status report of the RKI on coronavirus disease-2019 (Covid-19)" from the Koch Institute, 12/30/2021 – UPDATED STATUS FOR GERMANY, SHORT REPORT and translate the pdf from German, right up at the top, in red, it says:

"Correction: On p. 14, the number of unvaccinated among the reported omicron cases on January 3, 2022 was corrected (before: 186; afterwards: 1,097)."

But because I'm feeling charitable, here's a quick tutorial on some of the basics of website functionality, of which, apparently, you seem to be unaware of...

(https://i.imgur.com/BN6wIDF.jpg)

Let me know if you need any further assistance.
Now, why do you think a provided correction somehow renders the article incorrect?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 04, 2023, 05:19:22 AM
Maybe next you could work out the difference between the article's 186 and the actual real data from the source of 1097. Looking forward to your results.
Maybe next time, you could actually point out the link in the article where you found the new number.

Look forward to your follow-up.

You really need to work on your reading comrehension skills...

However, when you click on the link in article to the data report they are citing, "Weekly status report of the RKI on coronavirus disease-2019 (Covid-19)" from the Koch Institute, 12/30/2021 – UPDATED STATUS FOR GERMANY, SHORT REPORT and translate the pdf from German, right up at the top, in red, it says:

"Correction: On p. 14, the number of unvaccinated among the reported omicron cases on January 3, 2022 was corrected (before: 186; afterwards: 1,097)."

But because I'm feeling charitable, here's a quick tutorial on some of the basics of website functionality, of which, apparently, you seem to be unaware of...

(https://i.imgur.com/BN6wIDF.jpg)

Let me know if you need any further assistance.
Now, why do you think a provided correction somehow renders the article incorrect?

If you cared to read the article you would realize that the entire piece is predicated on the difference between:

Unvaxed = 0.0008%
Vaxed = 0.006%

When in reality, as you so deftly pointed out, it's actually:

Unvaxed = 0.005%
Vaxed = 0.007%

Now apply your math wizardry to the difference between 0.0008% & 0.005% as well as 0.0008% & 0.007%. Let us know what you come up with.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 04, 2023, 11:06:44 AM
Maybe next you could work out the difference between the article's 186 and the actual real data from the source of 1097. Looking forward to your results.
Maybe next time, you could actually point out the link in the article where you found the new number.

Look forward to your follow-up.

You really need to work on your reading comrehension skills...

However, when you click on the link in article to the data report they are citing, "Weekly status report of the RKI on coronavirus disease-2019 (Covid-19)" from the Koch Institute, 12/30/2021 – UPDATED STATUS FOR GERMANY, SHORT REPORT and translate the pdf from German, right up at the top, in red, it says:

"Correction: On p. 14, the number of unvaccinated among the reported omicron cases on January 3, 2022 was corrected (before: 186; afterwards: 1,097)."

But because I'm feeling charitable, here's a quick tutorial on some of the basics of website functionality, of which, apparently, you seem to be unaware of...

(https://i.imgur.com/BN6wIDF.jpg)

Let me know if you need any further assistance.
Now, why do you think a provided correction somehow renders the article incorrect?

If you cared to read the article you would realize that the entire piece is predicated on the difference between:

Unvaxed = 0.0008%
Vaxed = 0.006%

When in reality, as you so deftly pointed out, it's actually:

Unvaxed = 0.005%
Vaxed = 0.007%

Now apply your math wizardry to the difference between 0.0008% & 0.005% as well as 0.0008% & 0.007%. Let us know what you come up with.
I don't need to.

You need to show why an article that provides correct figures is incorrect.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 04, 2023, 05:33:41 PM
Maybe next you could work out the difference between the article's 186 and the actual real data from the source of 1097. Looking forward to your results.
Maybe next time, you could actually point out the link in the article where you found the new number.

Look forward to your follow-up.

You really need to work on your reading comrehension skills...

However, when you click on the link in article to the data report they are citing, "Weekly status report of the RKI on coronavirus disease-2019 (Covid-19)" from the Koch Institute, 12/30/2021 – UPDATED STATUS FOR GERMANY, SHORT REPORT and translate the pdf from German, right up at the top, in red, it says:

"Correction: On p. 14, the number of unvaccinated among the reported omicron cases on January 3, 2022 was corrected (before: 186; afterwards: 1,097)."

But because I'm feeling charitable, here's a quick tutorial on some of the basics of website functionality, of which, apparently, you seem to be unaware of...

(https://i.imgur.com/BN6wIDF.jpg)

Let me know if you need any further assistance.
Now, why do you think a provided correction somehow renders the article incorrect?

If you cared to read the article you would realize that the entire piece is predicated on the difference between:

Unvaxed = 0.0008%
Vaxed = 0.006%

When in reality, as you so deftly pointed out, it's actually:

Unvaxed = 0.005%
Vaxed = 0.007%

Now apply your math wizardry to the difference between 0.0008% & 0.005% as well as 0.0008% & 0.007%. Let us know what you come up with.
I don't need to.

You need to show why an article that provides correct figures is incorrect.

Already did. (« Reply #154 on: February 03, 2023, 12:19:17 AM »)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 04, 2023, 06:25:23 PM
What changes did they make to the data to change the numbers after the criticism of this?

It is pretty clear that health authorities are not being entirely honest with us:

https://gellerreport.com/2021/09/shocking-fraud-cdc-now-lists-vaccinated-deaths-as-unvaccinated.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, you’re not counted as fully vaccinated until a full 14 days have passed since your second injection in the case of Pfizer or Moderna, or 14 days after your first dose of Janssen, despite the fact that over 80% of deaths after the vaccines occur in this window. How convenient

Anyone who dies within the first 14 days post-injection is counted as an unvaccinated death. Not only does this inaccurately inflate the unvaccinated death toll, but it also hides the real dangers of the COVID shots, as the vast majority of deaths from these shots occur within the first two weeks

...


According to the CDC,6 you’re not counted as fully vaccinated until a full 14 days have passed since your second injection in the case of Pfizer or Moderna, or 14 days after your first dose of Janssen. This is how the CDC defines a vaccine breakthrough case:

“… a vaccine breakthrough infection is defined as the detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen in a respiratory specimen collected from a person ≥14 days after they have completed all recommended doses of a U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-authorized COVID-19 vaccine.”

In other words, if you’ve received one dose of Pfizer or Moderna and develop symptomatic COVID-19, get admitted to the hospital and/or die from COVID, you’re counted as an unvaccinated case. If you’ve received two doses and get ill within 14 days, you’re still counted as an unvaccinated case.

The problem with this is that over 80% of hospitalizations and deaths appear to be occurring among those who have received the jabs, but this reality is hidden by the way cases are defined and counted. A really clever and common strategy of the CDC during the pandemic has been to change the definitions and goalposts so it supports their nefarious narrative.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 04, 2023, 06:44:11 PM
What changes did they make to the data to change the numbers after the criticism of this?

« Reply #154 on: February 03, 2023, 12:19:17 AM »

It is pretty clear that health authorities are not being entirely honest with us:

https://gellerreport.com/2021/09/shocking-fraud-cdc-now-lists-vaccinated-deaths-as-unvaccinated.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html)

Researchers and regulators say Joseph Mercola, an osteopathic physician, creates and profits from misleading claims about Covid-19 vaccines.

Dr. Mercola, 67, an osteopathic physician in Cape Coral, Fla., has long been a subject of criticism and government regulatory actions (https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021) for his promotion of unproven or unapproved treatments. But most recently, he has become the chief spreader of coronavirus misinformation online, according to researchers.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 04, 2023, 06:48:42 PM
I haven't seen that it is misinformation. That is exactly how the CDC defines it on their website:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm#:~:text=For%20this%20surveillance%2C%20a%20vaccine,%2Dauthorized%20COVID%2D19%20vaccine.

(https://i.imgur.com/lwYd527.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 04, 2023, 07:10:00 PM
I haven't seen that it is misinformation. That is exactly how the CDC defines it on their website:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm#:~:text=For%20this%20surveillance%2C%20a%20vaccine,%2Dauthorized%20COVID%2D19%20vaccine.

(https://i.imgur.com/lwYd527.png)

Words are hard, Tom. Let’s do it together. The CDC is not talking about people being “unvaccinated” in your quote. It’s the opposite. They are talking a “vaccine breakthrough infection” (the secret is that they wrote that). That vaccines aren’t instantly effective is well known and documented and trying to make this seem like anything other than commonplace medicine is misinformation. Assuming the negative corollary of a breakthrough infection is that people are “unvaccinated” is stupid. So kindly learn a little before you listen to shitheads like the one you quoted.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 04, 2023, 10:33:55 PM
In 2021 the CDC was stating that you were not considered fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after second dose (probably more now considering boosters):

Article from 2021 - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/past-reports/07022021.html


In this paper on the mortality of the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated after the first two shots, curiously the "unvaccinated" population deaths shot up and were dying a couple of weeks after people got their first dose. The one shot vaccinated population deaths began shooting up a couple of weeks of the people who got their second dose.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356756711_Latest_statistics_on_England_mortality_data_suggest_systematic_mis-categorisation_of_vaccine_status_and_uncertain_effectiveness_of_Covid-19_vaccination

From the section 4. Correlating unvaccinated mortality with the vaccine roll out

One of the figures:

(https://i.imgur.com/In3TOF8.png)

The paper calls this evidence of the delay and miscategorization of status, and says that these deaths are not caused by natural events:

Quote
In all Figures 12 to 14 we see peaks in mortality risk for the unvaccinated across the three age groups that occur almost immediately as if they had received the first vaccine and peak at consecutively later times in line with when vaccine was administered for that age group. The fact that the peaks in mortality are not temporally aligned strongly suggests that this is not caused by natural events. As reported previously [16], such a phenomenon would be inevitable if the deaths of people who die shortly after vaccination are miscategorised as unvaccinated.

5. Correcting the miscategorization

A major problem in evaluating the overall risk-benefits of a vaccine is that different classifications of what constitutes a ‘vaccinated’ person are required depending on whether we are primarily interested in its efficacy in reducing infections or in whether we are primarily interested in its impact on all-cause mortality. In this section we are interested in the latter, which is why we believe it is important to consider a person as ‘vaccinated’ if they have received at least one dose since adverse reactions are most likely shortly after the vaccination. However, for efficacy in reducing infections, it seems reasonable to allow for suitable elapsed time (and even number of doses) before considering that a person is ‘vaccinated’. Indeed, the vaccine manufacturers claim that they are only effective when the recipient is fully vaccinated, which they define as being >14 days after the second dose [18], with a recommended gap between the first and second dose of 3 weeks [20]. This is why the ONS and other data sets focus on categorisation before and after the 21-day period elapsed between doses. However, there are also claims that the vaccines are effective after the first dose, but only after 14 days have elapsed. In fact, the USA CDC (Center for Disease Control) classifies any case, hospitalization or death occurring during this 14-day period after first dose as ‘unvaccinated’, despite injection [18]. Evidence from Israel suggests that this definition applies there [23], but in the UK it was never clear that this was the case until the release of documentation suggesting that the vaccinated who die within 14 days of vaccination might be categorized as unvaccinated [17].

Similarly, if it is possible that someone who dies within 14 days of vaccination (first dose) is miscategorised as unvaccinated then, hypothetically at least, a similar thing could occur post second dose, whereby the people who die within a period of taking the second vaccine are mis-categorised as ‘single dose vaccinated’. A fuller investigation of the mis-categorisation problem as seen in the Dagan study [23] is expanded in the analysis by Reeder [22] and demonstrates that confounding by mis-categorisation can account for most, if not all, of any effectiveness claimed in an observational study.

So for some reason people taking the vaccine causes people in the previous category to peak and die in larger numbers. Somehow taking the vaccine is associated with increased deaths.

From the conclusion:

Quote
Whatever the explanations for the observed data, it is clear that it is both unreliable and misleading. We considered the socio-demographic and behavioural differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated that have been proposed as possible explanations for the data anomalies, but found no evidence supports any of these explanations. By Occam’s razor we believe the most likely explanations are:

• Systematic miscategorisation of deaths between the different groups of unvaccinated and
vaccinated.
• Delayed or non-reporting of vaccinations.
• Systematic underestimation of the proportion of unvaccinated.
• Incorrect population selection for Covid deaths.

With these considerations in mind we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination.

Taking the vaccine produces spikes in mortality, rather than reducing them.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 04, 2023, 11:39:51 PM
Wow you found something on the internet that agrees with you! How compelling.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 05, 2023, 07:12:39 AM
What changes did they make to the data to change the numbers after the criticism of this?

« Reply #154 on: February 03, 2023, 12:19:17 AM »

It is pretty clear that health authorities are not being entirely honest with us:

https://gellerreport.com/2021/09/shocking-fraud-cdc-now-lists-vaccinated-deaths-as-unvaccinated.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html)

Researchers and regulators say Joseph Mercola, an osteopathic physician, creates and profits from misleading claims about Covid-19 vaccines.

Dr. Mercola, 67, an osteopathic physician in Cape Coral, Fla., has long been a subject of criticism and government regulatory actions (https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021) for his promotion of unproven or unapproved treatments. But most recently, he has become the chief spreader of coronavirus misinformation online, according to researchers.

Ah...the good old, "according to [unnamed sources], who told us such and such," trick.

From the get-go, the entirety of official government reports, especially the "death by," numbers issued by the GOVERNMENTS across the world, has been nothing but lies.

Your willingness to not just DRINK but SELL their Kool-Aid is quite telling.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 05, 2023, 09:25:48 AM
What changes did they make to the data to change the numbers after the criticism of this?

« Reply #154 on: February 03, 2023, 12:19:17 AM »

It is pretty clear that health authorities are not being entirely honest with us:

https://gellerreport.com/2021/09/shocking-fraud-cdc-now-lists-vaccinated-deaths-as-unvaccinated.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html)

Researchers and regulators say Joseph Mercola, an osteopathic physician, creates and profits from misleading claims about Covid-19 vaccines.

Dr. Mercola, 67, an osteopathic physician in Cape Coral, Fla., has long been a subject of criticism and government regulatory actions (https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021) for his promotion of unproven or unapproved treatments. But most recently, he has become the chief spreader of coronavirus misinformation online, according to researchers.

Ah...the good old, "according to [unnamed sources], who told us such and such," trick.

From the get-go, the entirety of official government reports, especially the "death by," numbers issued by the GOVERNMENTS across the world, has been nothing but lies.

Your willingness to not just DRINK but SELL their Kool-Aid is quite telling.

Interesting how you consider the FDA, who took "government regulatory actions" against Mercola, an "unnamed source". That's a new one.

The FDA has observed that your website offers “Liposomal Vitamin C,” “Liposomal Vitamin D3,” and “Quercetin and Pterostilbene Advanced” products for sale in the United States and that these products are intended to mitigate, prevent, treat, diagnose, or cure COVID-191 in people. Based on our review, these products are unapproved new drugs sold in violation of section 505(a) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), 2pt1 U.S.C. § 355(a). Furthermore, these products are misbranded drugs under section 502 of the FD&C Act, 21 U.S.C. § 352. The introduction or delivery for introduction of these products into interstate commerce is prohibited under sections 301(a) and (d) of the FD&C Act, 21 U.S.C. § 331(a) and (d).

You should take immediate action to address the violations cited in this letter. This letter is not meant to be an all-inclusive list of violations that exist in connection with your products or operations. It is your responsibility to ensure that the products you sell are in compliance with the FD&C Act and FDA's implementing regulations. We advise you to review your websites, product labels, and other labeling and promotional materials to ensure that you are not misleadingly representing your products as safe and effective for a COVID-19-related use for which they have not been approved by FDA and that you do not make claims that misbrand the products in violation of the FD&C Act.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 05, 2023, 09:36:37 AM
What changes did they make to the data to change the numbers after the criticism of this?

« Reply #154 on: February 03, 2023, 12:19:17 AM »

It is pretty clear that health authorities are not being entirely honest with us:

https://gellerreport.com/2021/09/shocking-fraud-cdc-now-lists-vaccinated-deaths-as-unvaccinated.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html)

Researchers and regulators say Joseph Mercola, an osteopathic physician, creates and profits from misleading claims about Covid-19 vaccines.

Dr. Mercola, 67, an osteopathic physician in Cape Coral, Fla., has long been a subject of criticism and government regulatory actions (https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021) for his promotion of unproven or unapproved treatments. But most recently, he has become the chief spreader of coronavirus misinformation online, according to researchers.

Ah...the good old, "according to [unnamed sources], who told us such and such," trick.

From the get-go, the entirety of official government reports, especially the "death by," numbers issued by the GOVERNMENTS across the world, has been nothing but lies.

Your willingness to not just DRINK but SELL their Kool-Aid is quite telling.

Interesting how you consider the FDA, who took "government regulatory actions" against Mercola, an "unnamed source". That's a new one.

The FDA has observed that your website offers “Liposomal Vitamin C,” “Liposomal Vitamin D3,” and “Quercetin and Pterostilbene Advanced” products for sale in the United States and that these products are intended to mitigate, prevent, treat, diagnose, or cure COVID-191 in people. Based on our review, these products are unapproved new drugs sold in violation of section 505(a) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), 2pt1 U.S.C. § 355(a). Furthermore, these products are misbranded drugs under section 502 of the FD&C Act, 21 U.S.C. § 352. The introduction or delivery for introduction of these products into interstate commerce is prohibited under sections 301(a) and (d) of the FD&C Act, 21 U.S.C. § 331(a) and (d).

You should take immediate action to address the violations cited in this letter. This letter is not meant to be an all-inclusive list of violations that exist in connection with your products or operations. It is your responsibility to ensure that the products you sell are in compliance with the FD&C Act and FDA's implementing regulations. We advise you to review your websites, product labels, and other labeling and promotional materials to ensure that you are not misleadingly representing your products as safe and effective for a COVID-19-related use for which they have not been approved by FDA and that you do not make claims that misbrand the products in violation of the FD&C Act.
What, no follow-up to any outcome of the issues raised by the letters?

Could that be due to all the treatments previously identified by the FDA as "wacko science," suddenly being okay to use?

Remember the almighty FDA pushing the narrative that ivermectin was HORSE DEWORMER, despite its original development in successfully curing river blindness in human populations?

Sorry, your FDA source has ZERO credibility.

You and the others here have successfully achieved your goal of destabilizing world governments to the point where criminal enterprise can continue to run free and unchecked.

I'm sure the pockets of the handlers are very well-lined.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 05, 2023, 09:50:20 AM
Sorry, your FDA source has ZERO credibility.

If you wanted to just state your opinion you could have done that a few posts ago. It doesn't mean anything, being just an opinion and all, bereft of facts, but if you just want to talk about your feels, that's fine.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 05, 2023, 10:18:48 AM
Sorry, your FDA source has ZERO credibility.

If you wanted to just state your opinion you could have done that a few posts ago. It doesn't mean anything, being just an opinion and all, bereft of facts, but if you just want to talk about your feels, that's fine.
Your FDA hasn't been able to take any action on what you chose to use an attempted slur against the good doctor.

Typical.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 05, 2023, 06:41:53 PM
Sorry, your FDA source has ZERO credibility.

If you wanted to just state your opinion you could have done that a few posts ago. It doesn't mean anything, being just an opinion and all, bereft of facts, but if you just want to talk about your feels, that's fine.
Your FDA hasn't been able to take any action on what you chose to use an attempted slur against the good doctor.

Typical.

Apparently, this isn't the good Dr. Mercola's first rodeo with the Feds.

2016:
Marketers of Indoor Tanning Systems to Pay Refunds to Consumers (https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2016/04/marketers-indoor-tanning-systems-pay-refunds-consumers)
Defendants Ran Ads Claiming That Indoor Tanning Is Safe, Doesn’t Increase the Risk of Skin Cancer
The Illinois-based marketers of Mercola-brand indoor tanning systems will pay refunds to consumers and will be permanently banned from marketing or selling indoor tanning systems, under a settlement with the Federal Trade Commission.

In the FTC’s complaint, which was filed in federal court, the Commission charged that Dr. Joseph Mercola and his two companies ran ads claiming that their indoor tanning systems are safe, that research proves indoor tanning does not increase the risk of melanoma skin cancer, and that their systems which deliver both ultraviolet (UV) light and red light can “reverse the appearance of aging.” The FTC’s complaint alleged that these claims are false, misleading, or unsubstantiated.

Finally, the defendants must pay refunds to consumers who bought Mercola brand indoor tanning systems between January 1, 2012 and the present. An FTC redress administrator will send refund eligibility notices and claim forms to these consumers. Purchasers who want a refund must return the claim form by the date stated in the letter. The defendants are required to pay a maximum of $5,334,067 to cover the cost of refunds and administration of the refund program.

Ultimately, he had to refund $2.6 million for his tanning salon solutions. I'd say that's definitely the Feds (FTC) "taking action". Wouldn't you think so? Unless you think 2 1/2 million dollars isn't that much of an "action".
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 05, 2023, 07:02:44 PM
Sorry, your FDA source has ZERO credibility.

If you wanted to just state your opinion you could have done that a few posts ago. It doesn't mean anything, being just an opinion and all, bereft of facts, but if you just want to talk about your feels, that's fine.
Your FDA hasn't been able to take any action on what you chose to use an attempted slur against the good doctor.

Typical.

Apparently, this isn't the good Dr. Mercola's first rodeo with the Feds.

2016:
Marketers of Indoor Tanning Systems to Pay Refunds to Consumers (https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2016/04/marketers-indoor-tanning-systems-pay-refunds-consumers)
Defendants Ran Ads Claiming That Indoor Tanning Is Safe, Doesn’t Increase the Risk of Skin Cancer
The Illinois-based marketers of Mercola-brand indoor tanning systems will pay refunds to consumers and will be permanently banned from marketing or selling indoor tanning systems, under a settlement with the Federal Trade Commission.

In the FTC’s complaint, which was filed in federal court, the Commission charged that Dr. Joseph Mercola and his two companies ran ads claiming that their indoor tanning systems are safe, that research proves indoor tanning does not increase the risk of melanoma skin cancer, and that their systems which deliver both ultraviolet (UV) light and red light can “reverse the appearance of aging.” The FTC’s complaint alleged that these claims are false, misleading, or unsubstantiated.

Finally, the defendants must pay refunds to consumers who bought Mercola brand indoor tanning systems between January 1, 2012 and the present. An FTC redress administrator will send refund eligibility notices and claim forms to these consumers. Purchasers who want a refund must return the claim form by the date stated in the letter. The defendants are required to pay a maximum of $5,334,067 to cover the cost of refunds and administration of the refund program.

Ultimately, he had to refund $2.6 million for his tanning salon solutions. I'd say that's definitely the Feds (FTC) "taking action". Wouldn't you think so? Unless you think 2 1/2 million dollars isn't that much of an "action".
So, the FDA hasn't taken any action.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 05, 2023, 07:51:26 PM
Sorry, your FDA source has ZERO credibility.

If you wanted to just state your opinion you could have done that a few posts ago. It doesn't mean anything, being just an opinion and all, bereft of facts, but if you just want to talk about your feels, that's fine.
Your FDA hasn't been able to take any action on what you chose to use an attempted slur against the good doctor.

Typical.

Apparently, this isn't the good Dr. Mercola's first rodeo with the Feds.

2016:
Marketers of Indoor Tanning Systems to Pay Refunds to Consumers (https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2016/04/marketers-indoor-tanning-systems-pay-refunds-consumers)
Defendants Ran Ads Claiming That Indoor Tanning Is Safe, Doesn’t Increase the Risk of Skin Cancer
The Illinois-based marketers of Mercola-brand indoor tanning systems will pay refunds to consumers and will be permanently banned from marketing or selling indoor tanning systems, under a settlement with the Federal Trade Commission.

In the FTC’s complaint, which was filed in federal court, the Commission charged that Dr. Joseph Mercola and his two companies ran ads claiming that their indoor tanning systems are safe, that research proves indoor tanning does not increase the risk of melanoma skin cancer, and that their systems which deliver both ultraviolet (UV) light and red light can “reverse the appearance of aging.” The FTC’s complaint alleged that these claims are false, misleading, or unsubstantiated.

Finally, the defendants must pay refunds to consumers who bought Mercola brand indoor tanning systems between January 1, 2012 and the present. An FTC redress administrator will send refund eligibility notices and claim forms to these consumers. Purchasers who want a refund must return the claim form by the date stated in the letter. The defendants are required to pay a maximum of $5,334,067 to cover the cost of refunds and administration of the refund program.

Ultimately, he had to refund $2.6 million for his tanning salon solutions. I'd say that's definitely the Feds (FTC) "taking action". Wouldn't you think so? Unless you think 2 1/2 million dollars isn't that much of an "action".
So, the FDA hasn't taken any action.

Thanks.

The "action" was a warning letter for him to remove false claims from the vitamins, etc, he sells on his site. And guess what, he no longer has those false claims on his shopping site. I wonder what "action" caused that to happen...

The FDA has observed that your website offers “Liposomal Vitamin C,” “Liposomal Vitamin D3,” and “Quercetin and Pterostilbene Advanced” products for sale in the United States and that these products are intended to mitigate, prevent, treat, diagnose, or cure COVID-191 in people.

Guess what, the good Dr's shopping site no longer mentions anything about covid in regard to those products.

So yeah, the "action” was:

- He received a warning from the FDA to remove his false claims about his products he was shilling
- As a result of the warning "action" from the FDA, he removed all of the false claims about his products he's shilling

I would call that "action", otherwise he would still have all of the false claims about his products he's shilling - He doesn't anymore.

And, of course, there's the FTC "action" as well, that caused him to refund $2.6 million dollars for his tanning bed scheme.

So yeah, a lot of "action".
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 06, 2023, 11:07:34 AM
Showing the history of the FDA and other US government entities attempting to quash effective alternative methods of treatment for Covid and other respiratory illnesses, simply due to the desire to mandate a vaccine, is hardly the "gotcha," you think it is.

Between all the "terrible," things you ascribe to a single doctor, and the multitude of acts that can only be described as inhumane that have been perpetrated by the FDA/CDC against their own populace, instigating and perpetuating the endless mind-fuck over a disease that has proven to be less deadly than the flu, over-reporting the actual numbers, ascribing them as "death by Covid," rather than "death with Covid," mask mandates, lockdowns, separating loved ones, denying the sharing of final moments, etc., I'll take the doctor.

Current evidence actually demonstrates Vitamin C and D have always been an effective way to mitigate the harmful effects and alleviate symptoms of, not only Covid, but all forms of respiratory illness.

The officials and bureau(pieces of)craps within the FDA, CDC, and NIH, have clearly demonstrated over the past four years or so a strong predilection toward purposefully lying to the public at large.

Especially considering he openly discusses these very issues you raise in your post.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 06, 2023, 08:01:23 PM
Showing the history of the FDA and other US government entities attempting to quash effective alternative methods of treatment for Covid and other respiratory illnesses, simply due to the desire to mandate a vaccine, is hardly the "gotcha," you think it is.

Current evidence actually demonstrates Vitamin C and D have always been an effective way to mitigate the harmful effects and alleviate symptoms of, not only Covid, but all forms of respiratory illness.

The officials and bureau(pieces of)craps within the FDA, CDC, and NIH, have clearly demonstrated over the past four years or so a strong predilection toward purposefully lying to the public at large.

You are so strong to move the goal posts so quickly.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 06, 2023, 08:03:05 PM
Showing the history of the FDA and other US government entities attempting to quash effective alternative methods of treatment for Covid and other respiratory illnesses, simply due to the desire to mandate a vaccine, is hardly the "gotcha," you think it is.

Current evidence actually demonstrates Vitamin C and D have always been an effective way to mitigate the harmful effects and alleviate symptoms of, not only Covid, but all forms of respiratory illness.

The officials and bureau(pieces of)craps within the FDA, CDC, and NIH, have clearly demonstrated over the past four years or so a strong predilection toward purposefully lying to the public at large.

You are so strong to move the goal posts so quickly.
Yeah, I agree stack moves goalposts very quickly.

Now, do you have anything related to the topic at hand?

Would you, perhaps discuss the state of the countersuits the doctor has filed against these agencies and a sitting US Senator for these actions of censorship?

Would you care to discuss the importance of a healthy human endocrinal/immune system in warding of various types of disease?

I doubt it, given your post history.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 06, 2023, 08:10:23 PM
Showing the history of the FDA and other US government entities attempting to quash effective alternative methods of treatment for Covid and other respiratory illnesses, simply due to the desire to mandate a vaccine, is hardly the "gotcha," you think it is.

Current evidence actually demonstrates Vitamin C and D have always been an effective way to mitigate the harmful effects and alleviate symptoms of, not only Covid, but all forms of respiratory illness.

The officials and bureau(pieces of)craps within the FDA, CDC, and NIH, have clearly demonstrated over the past four years or so a strong predilection toward purposefully lying to the public at large.

You are so strong to move the goal posts so quickly.
Yeah, I agree stack moves goalposts very quickly.

Now, do you have anything related to the topic at hand?

It's ok if you don't understand how quotes work, just own up to it.  Related to the topic at hand... Stack substantiated his point, you moved the goal posts.  Stack looks to be correct in everything except the way he refers to "reply x".  You are shitting the bed in this debate, he is not.  That doctor is a crank and that is probably why you are defending him.  Serial contrarian behaviour is very destructive, you should see about getting help.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 06, 2023, 08:17:51 PM
Showing the history of the FDA and other US government entities attempting to quash effective alternative methods of treatment for Covid and other respiratory illnesses, simply due to the desire to mandate a vaccine, is hardly the "gotcha," you think it is.

Current evidence actually demonstrates Vitamin C and D have always been an effective way to mitigate the harmful effects and alleviate symptoms of, not only Covid, but all forms of respiratory illness.

The officials and bureau(pieces of)craps within the FDA, CDC, and NIH, have clearly demonstrated over the past four years or so a strong predilection toward purposefully lying to the public at large.

You are so strong to move the goal posts so quickly.
Yeah, I agree stack moves goalposts very quickly.

Now, do you have anything related to the topic at hand?

It's ok if you don't understand how quotes work, just own up to it.  Related to the topic at hand... Stack substantiated his point, you moved the goal posts.  Stack looks to be correct in everything except the way he refers to "reply x".  You are shitting the bed in this debate, he is not.  That doctor is a crank and that is probably why you are defending him.  Serial contrarian behaviour is very destructive, you should see about getting help.
You have nothing useful to contribute.

I see.

stack simply engaged in a "CONTINUE TO SLUR THE DOCTOR WHO OFFERS SOUND MEDICAL ADVICE," because the FDA and CDC instituted gag orders on his website (which if you bothered to check, still has much the same information present).

So, yeah, stack was correct in his copy/pasta, liberal, fact-check, tactic about the actions of the FDC, etc. But that is all he has been correct about in his entire time here at this site. That will not fly for much longer, because the doctor has actually filed suit to end the bullshit actions taken by these lying asswipes in these agencies.

Because maintaining healthy levels of Vitamin C and Vitamin D are proven and effective measures to take for all types of disease.

Only an idiot would disagree with that.

Just in case you were wondering, serial idiocy is also quite destructive. Self-concern should prompt you to get a self-screen. Early detection might be helpful.

Sayonara, Joe.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 06, 2023, 08:32:51 PM
You have nothing useful to contribute.

I see.

My commentary can only be useful as that which I am criticizing.

Quote
stack simply engaged in a "CONTINUE TO SLUR THE DOCTOR WHO OFFERS SOUND MEDICAL ADVICE," because the FDA and CDC instituted gag orders on his website (which if you bothered to check, still has much the same information present).

That sentence is something else, man.  I promise, that if you edit it to make sense, I will respond to it.

Quote
That will not fly for much longer, because the doctor has actually filed suit to end the bullshit actions taken by these lying asswipes in these agencies.

That sounds way more libellous than anything Stack wrote.

Quote
No one here cares about your worthless opinion of me.

At least you do, obviously.

Quote
Serial idiocy is also quite destructive. You should get that checked out.

Sayonara, Joe.

The real question is where is the evidence that this "doctor's" medical advice is effective?  Could your next comment be the one where you finally provide positive evidence for something; anything really?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 06, 2023, 08:41:27 PM
You have nothing useful to contribute.

I see.

My commentary can only be useful as that which I am criticizing.
So, nothing.

Fine.
Quote
stack simply engaged in a "CONTINUE TO SLUR THE DOCTOR WHO OFFERS SOUND MEDICAL ADVICE," because the FDA and CDC instituted gag orders on his website (which if you bothered to check, still has much the same information present).

That sentence is something else, man.  I promise, that if you edit it to make sense, I will respond to it.
I cannot help it if you cannot read.

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That will not fly for much longer, because the doctor has actually filed suit to end the bullshit actions taken by these lying asswipes in these agencies.

That sounds way more libellous than anything Stack wrote.
I cannot help it if there are proven lying, asswipes occupying positions authority in these agencies.

Quote
No one here cares about your worthless opinion of me.

At least you do, obviously.
I cannot help it you cannot read.

Quote
Serial idiocy is also quite destructive. You should get that checked out.

Sayonara, Joe.

The real question is where is the evidence that this "doctor's" medical advice is effective?  Could your next comment be the one where you finally provide positive evidence for something; anything really?
People have a better overall quality of health and resistance to disease by maintaining appropriate levels of Vitamins C and D.

Specifically, related to Covid -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5sc7G4s4CY
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 07, 2023, 12:52:22 AM
It's a pretty odd rebuttal to cite government authorities as evidence against the assertion government authorities are not being honest with us.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on February 07, 2023, 01:06:09 AM
It's a pretty odd rebuttal to cite government authorities as evidence against the assertion government authorities are not being honest with us.

You're right, Tom, we should just blindly accept everything we read on the internet as long as it agrees with us and doesn't come from a government authority.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 07, 2023, 02:15:51 AM
You certainly should perform opposition research before you blindly inject yourself with an experimental vaccine because the government is telling you to, arm-in-arm with big pharma.

Most people have a 99.98% survival rate from Covid, or something along those lines. Not sure why you would risk your health with an experiment on your genetics.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/mit-expert-calls-for-immediate-stop-of-mrna-covid-jab-evidence-shows-unprecedented-level-of-harm_5020151.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink

(https://i.imgur.com/RtNqf3r.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Xke8Cki.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 07, 2023, 03:51:13 AM
MIT Professor Retsef Levi Vaccine Claims Examined (https://www.techarp.com/facts/retsef-levi-mrna-vaccine-facts/)

Fact #1 : Retsef Levi Is Professor of Management + Operations Management
Retsef Levi is a professor of Management, as well as Operations Management at the MIT Sloan School of Management, which is a separate business school under the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

MIT Sloan focuses on MBA, Finance, Business Analytics, Management, etc. and is separate from the MIT School of Science, where the faculty teaches and researches the hard sciences from physics and biology to computational biology and statistics.


Fact #2 : MIT Study Did Not Prove Pfizer Vaccine Raised Heart Problems
The first study that Retsef Levi mentioned was the one he co-authored in April 2022...No clinical research was conducted on any patient. The study only “analysed” data collected by a third party – the Israel National Emergency Medical Services.
- The study relied on call data based on initial diagnosis by responding paramedics, not the final / actual diagnosis by doctors after the patients undergo all necessary clinical and laboratory investigations at the hospital.
- The data did not include about 50% of cardiac arrest and acute coronary syndrome cases in Israel for that period of time.
- The data was not tied to COVID-19 infection, or COVID-19 vaccination, or even pre-existing heart problems.
- The authors themselves pointed out that they did not establish any causal relationship between COVID-19 vaccines and heart problems.
- The authors also pointed out that the increase in cardiac arrests and acute coronary syndrome may be caused by “other underlying causal mechanisms”.

Fact #3 : Adverse Events of Special Interest Are Not Vaccine Side Effects!
- The AESI list is not specific to the Pfizer or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines.
- The AESI list includes “exposure to SARS-CoV-2”, and other viruses like Herpes, MERS, Varicella, as well as other “communicable disease”.
- The AESI list includes manufacturing and lab test issues like “Manufacturing laboratory analytical testing issue, Manufacturing materials issue, Manufacturing production issue“.
- The AESI list includes product supply issues like “Product availability issue, Product distribution issue, Product supply issue“.
- The Adverse Events of Special Interest (AESI) list is not a list of vaccine side effects

Fact #4 : Smallpox Vaccine Does Not Use mRNA Technology
Retsef Levi referred to a 2015 US Military finding that the smallpox vaccine caused heart problems.

...that new ACAM2000 smallpox vaccine does not use mRNA technology, but a single plaque-purified vaccinia virus derivative of Dryvax (NYCBH strain).


Fact Check-Study using Israeli emergency services data does not prove COVID-19 vaccines cause heart problems (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-study-emergency/fact-check-study-using-israeli-emergency-services-data-does-not-prove-covid-19-vaccines-cause-heart-problems-idUSL2N2X21LM)
The study does not examine what may have caused the heart issues – infection or vaccination, nor does it examine or account for any other possible causes of increased cardiac events in this age group.

Retsef Levi, professor of operations management at the MIT Sloan School of Management and one of the authors of the study, told Reuters via email that the correlation they found did not prove causality.
“Let me emphasize that I do not support any interpretation of the paper as a proof that the vaccine has caused this increase in EMS calls,” Levi said. “The paper only calls to check the matter broadly and explore all possible causes.”
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 07, 2023, 06:36:25 AM
Wow, you posted an anonymous author as your source. Do you have any integrity at all? You just got done attacking people on their credibility, and now immediately and ridiculously use an anonymous author as your source. I at least posted someone who is known to have actual credentials.

The Epoch Times explains that he's an expert in analytics and modeling, and in risk management in the context of health systems and health policies in the article and is a professor at MIT. We don't know if the author of your Reuters article graduated high school.

From your Reuters anonymous author:

"VERDICT

Misleading. A study noting an increase in ambulance calls for cardiovascular problems during January to May 2021 does not provide proof that this was caused by the COVID-19 vaccine rollout."


Well, no, it doesn't provide proof, it is one of the pieces of evidence that it is related to the vaccine.

The counter-argument here is essentially "it could have been a coincidence!!", which is poor. If you accept that the data is legitimate you have lost and must make special pleading arguments speculating on coincidences. That isn't the only thing he discussed either.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 07, 2023, 07:18:19 AM
Reuters quotes people, you know, non-anonymous people, usually experts in the field.

Dr Deepti Gurdasani, a clinical epidemiologist at Queen Mary University of London, told Reuters via email that it is “Rather bizarre to study cardiac events (at) a population level, without individual assessment of whether they were linked to covid or vaccination.”

Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London, told Reuters: “There have been several high-quality studies now from many countries looking at individual level data on cardiac outcomes following vaccination and following Covid and their conclusions are clear and consistent – there is an elevated risk of myocarditis after mRNA vaccination in younger people (particularly men) but it is tiny and much lower than the risk of myocarditis from Covid.” She said in an email to Reuters: “The benefits of the vaccines far outweigh the risks in these cohorts.”

From the paper in question,, co-author, Levi Retsef:
Increased emergency cardiovascular events among under-40 population in Israel during vaccine rollout and third COVID-19 wave (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z)
It is important to note the main limitation of this study, which is that it relies on aggregated data that do not include specific information regarding the affected patients, including hospital outcomes, underlying comorbidities as well as vaccination and COVID-19 positive status.

Pretty interesting how one might draw a conclusion that vaccines are causing the mentioned issues when you don't know:
- Hospital outcomes
- Underlying comorbidities

And the Winner, they didn't even know the patients':
-Vaccination and COVID-19 positive status

Don't know the vaccination status yet vaccination is the cause. Hmmm, how does that work?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on February 07, 2023, 02:57:26 PM

And the Winner, they didn't even know the patients':
-Vaccination and COVID-19 positive status

Don't know the vaccination status yet vaccination is the cause. Hmmm, how does that work?
Its easy.
If most people are vaccinated, then anything that happens must happen to vaccinated people.  Duh. :P
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: AATW on February 07, 2023, 03:03:17 PM
Its easy.
If most people are vaccinated, then anything that happens must happen to vaccinated people.  Duh. :P
Well. Also. The population of vaccinated people isn't identical to the population of unvaccinated.
Vaccinated people are mostly old or have the infamous "underlying health conditions".
Some young and healthy people are vaccinated but many are not.
So any studies comparing outcomes between vaccinated and unvaccinated people have to account for that or they're useless.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on February 07, 2023, 07:02:21 PM
Its easy.
If most people are vaccinated, then anything that happens must happen to vaccinated people.  Duh. :P
Well. Also. The population of vaccinated people isn't identical to the population of unvaccinated.
Vaccinated people are mostly old or have the infamous "underlying health conditions".
Some young and healthy people are vaccinated but many are not.
So any studies comparing outcomes between vaccinated and unvaccinated people have to account for that or they're useless.
You think those guys understand demographics?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 09, 2023, 01:05:52 PM
Bit by bit, the world is beginning to realize worldwide gubment response to the pandemic was bullshit.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 10, 2023, 02:37:13 AM
Bit by bit, the world is beginning to realize worldwide gubment response to the pandemic was bullshit.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: AATW on February 10, 2023, 10:09:43 AM
Bit by bit, the world is beginning to realize worldwide gubment response to the pandemic was bullshit.
Weirdly, I actually agree with this. Probably for different reasons to you, but the UK response was shambolic.
They lurched between "let's go for herd immunity and hope not too many people die" to "oh shit, a lot of people are dying...LOCKDOWN!"
Well it's too late then, you morons. Australia got it "right" with lockdowns, they locked down hard and early, and their deaths per million stats are much better than ours.
But at what cost to mental health and civil liberties? It is a difficult balance.
Then over here we had wildly inconsistent rules. At one point you could play football (soccer, to you), a sport which necessarily involves close proximity, but you couldn't have a socially distanced meal in a pub. At one point you could have a meal in a pub but not mixing with different households. So at one point we had a pub meal with my in-laws and they were put at the table next to us which was less than a foot from ours. We were basically as close as we would have been on the same table. All very silly.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on February 10, 2023, 01:53:03 PM
Covid should have been a wake up call for planet earth. A small change in a couple of proteins and the nightmare scenario would be upon us. We dodged a bullet and no one cares.

However, what we did learn is that when the big one does hit, our leaders will be corrupt and incompetent (Trump) and our public will be ignorant and uncooperative (Action80.) A viral pathogen would decimate humanity while Joe Rogan blathers on about fish medicine and Fox News tries to blame it all on Critical Race Theory.

Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rushy on February 10, 2023, 03:40:38 PM
Covid should have been a wake up call for planet earth. A small change in a couple of proteins and the nightmare scenario would be upon us. We dodged a bullet and no one cares.

However, what we did learn is that when the big one does hit, our leaders will be corrupt and incompetent (Trump) and our public will be ignorant and uncooperative (Action80.) A viral pathogen would decimate humanity while Joe Rogan blathers on about fish medicine and Fox News tries to blame it all on Critical Race Theory.

Or, the more logical counterpoint, that the reason covid was not taken very seriously is precisely because it wasn't actually a nightmare scenario. For the vast, vast majority of humanity, covid was a nothing burger. There was simply no reason to obliterate the world economy over what amounted to just another flu. This is also why lots of people took it seriously at first and then the effect wore off because personal experience with the illness led to it being not taken seriously.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: AATW on February 10, 2023, 04:14:18 PM
I don't agree that Covid was just another flu, the excess deaths and a conversation I had with a doctor working on the front line makes believe there was "a situation" which had to be dealt with. My personal experience with Covid was that it was a nothing burger, but a colleague who is younger and much fitter than me struggled with it for an extended period. But it certainly wasn't a "piles of bodies in the street" level Hollywood style pandemic. If one of those did hit then we'd probably be mostly buggered, but I don't think there's that much we can do to prepare for a once in a millennium event like that.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on February 10, 2023, 06:32:48 PM
Covid should have been a wake up call for planet earth. A small change in a couple of proteins and the nightmare scenario would be upon us. We dodged a bullet and no one cares.

However, what we did learn is that when the big one does hit, our leaders will be corrupt and incompetent (Trump) and our public will be ignorant and uncooperative (Action80.) A viral pathogen would decimate humanity while Joe Rogan blathers on about fish medicine and Fox News tries to blame it all on Critical Race Theory.

Or, the more logical counterpoint, that the reason covid was not taken very seriously is precisely because it wasn't actually a nightmare scenario. For the vast, vast majority of humanity, covid was a nothing burger. There was simply no reason to obliterate the world economy over what amounted to just another flu. This is also why lots of people took it seriously at first and then the effect wore off because personal experience with the illness led to it being not taken seriously.

Based on limited research, I suspect its like 5%.
5% of people, healthy or not, would struggle with covid. (And this older article seems to back that up: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7895685/ )

Thats still 95% who are just gonna be sick and then be fine, but 5% of 9 billion is... What?

450 million.

And if the death rate is 1%, thats 9 million.

I mean, globally, those are big numbers.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 10, 2023, 08:02:48 PM
The entire thing coincided with a time in history when the largest amount of people born into this world was ripe for the picking in terms of age and other health problems. No matter what, death toll numbers were going to rise at a faster clip during this time period we are witnessing now.

Glad to see Kramer laying the blame at the feet of a lifelong democrat and one of Clinton's best friends.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 10, 2023, 09:07:32 PM
The entire thing coincided with a time in history when the largest amount of people born into this world was ripe for the picking in terms of age and other health problems. No matter what, death toll numbers were going to rise at a faster clip during this time period we are witnessing now.

Glad to see Kramer laying the blame at the feet of a lifelong democrat and one of Clinton's best friends.

Trump’s neither a Democrat or a Republican in his heart because he has no heart. Which is why he’s a Republican.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 10, 2023, 10:23:39 PM
Covid should have been a wake up call for planet earth. A small change in a couple of proteins and the nightmare scenario would be upon us. We dodged a bullet and no one cares.

However, what we did learn is that when the big one does hit, our leaders will be corrupt and incompetent (Trump) and our public will be ignorant and uncooperative (Action80.) A viral pathogen would decimate humanity while Joe Rogan blathers on about fish medicine and Fox News tries to blame it all on Critical Race Theory.

Or, the more logical counterpoint, that the reason covid was not taken very seriously is precisely because it wasn't actually a nightmare scenario. For the vast, vast majority of humanity, covid was a nothing burger. There was simply no reason to obliterate the world economy over what amounted to just another flu. This is also why lots of people took it seriously at first and then the effect wore off because personal experience with the illness led to it being not taken seriously.

Based on limited research, I suspect its like 5%.
5% of people, healthy or not, would struggle with covid. (And this older article seems to back that up: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7895685/ )

Thats still 95% who are just gonna be sick and then be fine, but 5% of 9 billion is... What?

450 million.

And if the death rate is 1%, thats 9 million.

I mean, globally, those are big numbers.

I think we also suffer from a short memory. I mean early to mid to late 2020 even into 2021, it was a shitshow. Especially with Delta. Lots of people were dying/died, lots on vents, hospitals overwhelmed, healthcare workers overwhelmed, etc. When was the last time NYC had to store bodies in makeshift refrigerated trailers out in parking lots because the morgues were full? So our utterly unprepared pandemic response swings the other way with all hands on deck in preparation for it getting even worse than it already was. And that had long-lasting positive and negative effects unto itself.

So hopefully, we have learned at least something about what works and doesn't work as a response because something like this will definitely happen again. And next time it may be a 25% kill rate or some abomination like that.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 11, 2023, 03:48:47 AM
Trump’s neither a Democrat or a Republican in his heart because he has no heart. Which is why he’s a Republican.
^ITT, a clear exhibition of the reasoning that gives birth to the worldwide response to the nothing burger of Covid.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 11, 2023, 09:23:43 AM
Trump’s neither a Democrat or a Republican in his heart because he has no heart. Which is why he’s a Republican.
^ITT, a clear exhibition of the reasoning that gives birth to the worldwide response to the nothing burger of Covid.

A world-wide response to something generally isn't considered a nothing burger. You know, being a world-wide response with 6.85 million deaths and all.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 11, 2023, 09:53:21 AM
Trump’s neither a Democrat or a Republican in his heart because he has no heart. Which is why he’s a Republican.
^ITT, a clear exhibition of the reasoning that gives birth to the worldwide response to the nothing burger of Covid.

A world-wide response to something generally isn't considered a nothing burger. You know, being a world-wide response with 6.85 million deaths and all.
^ ITT, the encouragement of dutiful acceptance of increased tyranny.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on February 11, 2023, 10:27:07 AM
Covid should have been a wake up call for planet earth. A small change in a couple of proteins and the nightmare scenario would be upon us. We dodged a bullet and no one cares.

However, what we did learn is that when the big one does hit, our leaders will be corrupt and incompetent (Trump) and our public will be ignorant and uncooperative (Action80.) A viral pathogen would decimate humanity while Joe Rogan blathers on about fish medicine and Fox News tries to blame it all on Critical Race Theory.

Or, the more logical counterpoint, that the reason covid was not taken very seriously is precisely because it wasn't actually a nightmare scenario. For the vast, vast majority of humanity, covid was a nothing burger. There was simply no reason to obliterate the world economy over what amounted to just another flu. This is also why lots of people took it seriously at first and then the effect wore off because personal experience with the illness led to it being not taken seriously.

Based on limited research, I suspect its like 5%.
5% of people, healthy or not, would struggle with covid. (And this older article seems to back that up: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7895685/ )

Thats still 95% who are just gonna be sick and then be fine, but 5% of 9 billion is... What?

450 million.

And if the death rate is 1%, thats 9 million.

I mean, globally, those are big numbers.

I think we also suffer from a short memory. I mean early to mid to late 2020 even into 2021, it was a shitshow. Especially with Delta. Lots of people were dying/died, lots on vents, hospitals overwhelmed, healthcare workers overwhelmed, etc. When was the last time NYC had to store bodies in makeshift refrigerated trailers out in parking lots because the morgues were full? So our utterly unprepared pandemic response swings the other way with all hands on deck in preparation for it getting even worse than it already was. And that had long-lasting positive and negative effects unto itself.

So hopefully, we have learned at least something about what works and doesn't work as a response because something like this will definitely happen again. And next time it may be a 25% kill rate or some abomination like that.

NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 11, 2023, 01:13:37 PM
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on February 11, 2023, 01:54:34 PM
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.

As poosed to "Trust a random guy on youtube who says its a lie because he said so."
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 11, 2023, 01:56:56 PM
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.

What's always funny about the "I don't trust the numbers" people is never having numbers of their own. It's estimated that between 200-500k people die per year, worldwide, from the Flu. The 6.85m worldwide numbers of Covid mortality would have to be off by 73% for these people to claim it was/is, just the Flu.
For two, these "I don't trust the numbers" people would also have to rely on the entire planet to be in on the "the trust the government" cabal.
For three, what would be the motive for the entire world to agree to temporarily disrupt the supply chain, trash their economies with closures and lockdowns, swamp their healthcare systems, and pay out billions in aid and such? I'm not seeing a benefit to the NWO cabal of elites, especially in consumer driven economies. Oh yeah, maybe it's ye olde the encouragement of dutiful acceptance of increased tyranny gambit. Funny, I can think of myriad ways of doing that without blowing up a planet's economy. And yes, the tyranny is horrific. All that forced mask wearing was absolutely tyrannical. Oh, but wait, where did all the tyranny go? I guess the NWO elite cabal only wanted tyranny temporarily because I don't see any tyranny now. Maybe it was the NWO elite cabal just fucking with us for funsies.

Something killed 6.85M people and if you don't believe the numbers, let's say it's a whopping 50% off, that's still 3+ million people who died that perhaps didn't have to. And the "I don't trust the numbers" people are seemingly ok with that.

I guess for the "I don't trust the numbers" people, no one should have done anything. Just let it run it's course just to see how much damage it does for shits & giggles. Unless, of course, until it hits close to home. Then it's always a different tune.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 11, 2023, 03:11:06 PM
I think you meant 730%.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 11, 2023, 03:51:56 PM
Yeesh, apparently I struggle with math. In any case, I guess my point is, covid deaths far outstripped worldwide annual flu deaths by a massive amount. And that massive amount came from something other than the flu. Yet some people feel the world should have done absolutely nothing about it. Which, to me, is insane and inhumane.

Basically the argument is, "Kill off the boomers, they are going to die soon anyway. And yeah, take out any Gen Xers who are susceptible. And maybe even some younger folk who are comprised. We're cool with that, even on a worldwide scale....So yeah, don't do anything...nothing at all..."
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 11, 2023, 06:16:46 PM
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.

As poosed to "Trust a random guy on youtube who says its a lie because he said so."
^ITT The immediate urge to ignore actual government admissions of overstating the actual deaths of Covid, while making some imaginary "guy on youtube" because it is easier to argue with mythological characters.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 11, 2023, 06:20:43 PM
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.

What's always funny about the "I don't trust the numbers" people is never having numbers of their own. It's estimated that between 200-500k people die per year, worldwide, from the Flu. The 6.85m worldwide numbers of Covid mortality would have to be off by 73% for these people to claim it was/is, just the Flu.
For two, these "I don't trust the numbers" people would also have to rely on the entire planet to be in on the "the trust the government" cabal.
For three, what would be the motive for the entire world to agree to temporarily disrupt the supply chain, trash their economies with closures and lockdowns, swamp their healthcare systems, and pay out billions in aid and such? I'm not seeing a benefit to the NWO cabal of elites, especially in consumer driven economies. Oh yeah, maybe it's ye olde the encouragement of dutiful acceptance of increased tyranny gambit. Funny, I can think of myriad ways of doing that without blowing up a planet's economy. And yes, the tyranny is horrific. All that forced mask wearing was absolutely tyrannical. Oh, but wait, where did all the tyranny go? I guess the NWO elite cabal only wanted tyranny temporarily because I don't see any tyranny now. Maybe it was the NWO elite cabal just fucking with us for funsies.

Something killed 6.85M people and if you don't believe the numbers, let's say it's a whopping 50% off, that's still 3+ million people who died that perhaps didn't have to. And the "I don't trust the numbers" people are seemingly ok with that.

I guess for the "I don't trust the numbers" people, no one should have done anything. Just let it run it's course just to see how much damage it does for shits & giggles. Unless, of course, until it hits close to home. Then it's always a different tune.

^ITT The idea that government can and ought to do something regardless, despite its failed track record over the years in all endeavors, is perpetuated.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 11, 2023, 07:05:01 PM
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.

What's always funny about the "I don't trust the numbers" people is never having numbers of their own. It's estimated that between 200-500k people die per year, worldwide, from the Flu. The 6.85m worldwide numbers of Covid mortality would have to be off by 73% for these people to claim it was/is, just the Flu.
For two, these "I don't trust the numbers" people would also have to rely on the entire planet to be in on the "the trust the government" cabal.
For three, what would be the motive for the entire world to agree to temporarily disrupt the supply chain, trash their economies with closures and lockdowns, swamp their healthcare systems, and pay out billions in aid and such? I'm not seeing a benefit to the NWO cabal of elites, especially in consumer driven economies. Oh yeah, maybe it's ye olde the encouragement of dutiful acceptance of increased tyranny gambit. Funny, I can think of myriad ways of doing that without blowing up a planet's economy. And yes, the tyranny is horrific. All that forced mask wearing was absolutely tyrannical. Oh, but wait, where did all the tyranny go? I guess the NWO elite cabal only wanted tyranny temporarily because I don't see any tyranny now. Maybe it was the NWO elite cabal just fucking with us for funsies.

Something killed 6.85M people and if you don't believe the numbers, let's say it's a whopping 50% off, that's still 3+ million people who died that perhaps didn't have to. And the "I don't trust the numbers" people are seemingly ok with that.

I guess for the "I don't trust the numbers" people, no one should have done anything. Just let it run it's course just to see how much damage it does for shits & giggles. Unless, of course, until it hits close to home. Then it's always a different tune.

^ITT The idea that government can and ought to do something regardless, despite its failed track record over the years in all endeavors, is perpetuated.

You could apply that to anything and everything. So you want to abolish the government and actually, all governments of the world because of their shitty failed track record in all endeavors?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 11, 2023, 09:24:45 PM
Nice strawman.

The government certainly has no business in medicine and it is the socialists and fascists here beating the drum for government and corporate control over it.

I don't know why you are wasting your time writing about what I think anyway.

I know all of you and the fact of the matter is you all have what you most fervently desire.

The fact you are dead wrong on your philosophy will only be dealt with at a later date.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 11, 2023, 10:30:22 PM
Nice strawman.

Actually it's not. You're the one who said, "...despite its failed track record over the years in all endeavors..." The operative word being 'ALL'. So one could assume you meant all government endeavors. Meaning, you know, all of them.

The government certainly has no business in medicine and it is the socialists and fascists here beating the drum for government and corporate control over it.

Would you propose, for example, we get rid of the FDA for starters? Let big pharma simply self regulate? Just trying to get a sense of what you mean specifically in regard to government and medicine. (see below regarding the use and meaning of '?')

I don't know why you are wasting your time writing about what I think anyway.

Twas a question, not a statement. The operative punctuation you seem to be unfamiliar with was a '?'.

I know all of you and the fact of the matter is you all have what you most fervently desire.

The fact you are dead wrong on your philosophy will only be dealt with at a later date.

Sounds like fun. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 11, 2023, 11:24:39 PM
Nice strawman.

Actually it's not. You're the one who said, "...despite its failed track record over the years in all endeavors..." The operative word being 'ALL'. So one could assume you meant all government endeavors. Meaning, you know, all of them.
Wow, the reading comprehension has yet to kick in, uh?
The government certainly has no business in medicine and it is the socialists and fascists here beating the drum for government and corporate control over it.


Would you propose, for example, we get rid of the FDA for starters? Let big pharma simply self regulate? Just trying to get a sense of what you mean specifically in regard to government and medicine. (see below regarding the use and meaning of '?')
Government regulation is bad, regardless.

I don't know why you are wasting your time writing about what I think anyway.

Twas a question, not a statement. The operative punctuation you seem to be unfamiliar with was a '?'.
A question framed as to what I think, which was the setting up of the strawman.

I know all of you and the fact of the matter is you all have what you most fervently desire.

The fact you are dead wrong on your philosophy will only be dealt with at a later date.

Sounds like fun. Looking forward to it.
Easy for you to write now.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 11, 2023, 11:36:20 PM
Nice strawman.

Actually it's not. You're the one who said, "...despite its failed track record over the years in all endeavors..." The operative word being 'ALL'. So one could assume you meant all government endeavors. Meaning, you know, all of them.
Wow, the reading comprehension has yet to kick in, uh?
The government certainly has no business in medicine and it is the socialists and fascists here beating the drum for government and corporate control over it.

Would you propose, for example, we get rid of the FDA for starters? Let big pharma simply self regulate? Just trying to get a sense of what you mean specifically in regard to government and medicine. (see below regarding the use and meaning of '?')
Government regulation is bad, regardless.

Meaning you would prefer the FDA not regulate and let big pharma self-regulate?


I don't know why you are wasting your time writing about what I think anyway.

Twas a question, not a statement. The operative punctuation you seem to be unfamiliar with was a '?'.
A question framed as to what I think, which was the setting up of the strawman.

I was only going on what you wrote, which was "all" government endeavors. Perhaps "some" would have been a better word.


I know all of you and the fact of the matter is you all have what you most fervently desire.

The fact you are dead wrong on your philosophy will only be dealt with at a later date.

Sounds like fun. Looking forward to it.
Easy for you to write now.

Easier for you to write now. Apparently, you can see into the future. Impressive.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 12, 2023, 06:15:48 AM
The FDA is going to take 75 fucking years to produce the evidence it fucking used to approve an experimental vaccine (one that doesn't even fucking work, mind you...and one that forced all the wordsmiths to actually rewrite the definition of the word vaccine)and you fucking want them to regulate something?

Go ahead. Be my guest.

I'm not the fucking idiot here.

And I can look at current actions and draw highly reasonable conclusions as to outcomes.

So, yeah. It ain't gonna pretty for you and the rest of the usual suspects here.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 12, 2023, 06:20:59 AM
So, yeah. It ain't gonna pretty for you and the rest of the usual suspects here.

Again with your creepy veiled threats.  Creep.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 12, 2023, 07:00:08 AM
The FDA is going to take 75 fucking years to produce the evidence it fucking used to approve an experimental vaccine (one that doesn't even fucking work, mind you...and one that forced all the wordsmiths to actually rewrite the definition of the word vaccine)and you fucking you want them to regulate something?

Go ahead. Be my guest.

I'm not the fucking idiot here.

And I can look at current actions and draw highly reasonable conclusions as to outcomes.

So, yeah. It ain't gonna pretty for you and the rest of the usual suspects here.

So do you want to get rid of the FDA or not? It's just a yes or no question that doesn't require incoherent hysterical vitriol.

And how is it not going to be pretty? As in what are the specifics of your highly reasonable conclusions as to outcomes?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 12, 2023, 08:15:14 AM
The FDA is going to take 75 fucking years to produce the evidence it fucking used to approve an experimental vaccine (one that doesn't even fucking work, mind you...and one that forced all the wordsmiths to actually rewrite the definition of the word vaccine)and you fucking want them to regulate something?

Go ahead. Be my guest.

I'm not the fucking idiot here.

And I can look at current actions and draw highly reasonable conclusions as to outcomes.

So, yeah. It ain't gonna pretty for you and the rest of the usual suspects here.

So do you want to get rid of the FDA or not? It's just a yes or no question that doesn't require incoherent hysterical vitriol.
Nothing incoherent about it.

You come here demanding simple, immediate answers from me, yet are perfectly willing to defend the actions of a government agency that claims it needs 75 years to explain how they speed the approval of an experimental shot with an unprecedented dearth of human clinical trials.

GTFO of here with the BS.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 12, 2023, 08:17:32 AM
So, yeah. It ain't gonna pretty for you and the rest of the usual suspects here.

Again with your creepy veiled threats.  Creep.
Rest assured it won't be me involved in any of the events that await you and your ilk.

Creeps that support the people who have instituted the type of actions taken by governments over the past few years won't need me to dole out the reward.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 12, 2023, 09:26:42 AM
The FDA is going to take 75 fucking years to produce the evidence it fucking used to approve an experimental vaccine (one that doesn't even fucking work, mind you...and one that forced all the wordsmiths to actually rewrite the definition of the word vaccine)and you fucking you want them to regulate something?

Go ahead. Be my guest.

I'm not the fucking idiot here.

And I can look at current actions and draw highly reasonable conclusions as to outcomes.

So, yeah. It ain't gonna pretty for you and the rest of the usual suspects here.

So do you want to get rid of the FDA or not? It's just a yes or no question that doesn't require incoherent hysterical vitriol.
Nothing incoherent about it.

You come here demanding simple, immediate answers from me, yet are perfectly willing to defend the actions of a government agency that claims it needs 75 years to explain how they speed the approval of an experimental shot with an unprecedented dearth of human clinical trials.

GTFO of here with the BS.

I'm not demanding anything nor did I make your response time bound. Just asking a question. Yes or no? Apparently that's too much to ask of you to put your money where your mouth is. You never really add anything of import to a discussion anyway nor back up any of your notions. So yeah, to be expected, actually.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 12, 2023, 09:37:07 AM
The FDA is going to take 75 fucking years to produce the evidence it fucking used to approve an experimental vaccine (one that doesn't even fucking work, mind you...and one that forced all the wordsmiths to actually rewrite the definition of the word vaccine)and you fucking you want them to regulate something?

Go ahead. Be my guest.

I'm not the fucking idiot here.

And I can look at current actions and draw highly reasonable conclusions as to outcomes.

So, yeah. It ain't gonna pretty for you and the rest of the usual suspects here.

So do you want to get rid of the FDA or not? It's just a yes or no question that doesn't require incoherent hysterical vitriol.
Nothing incoherent about it.

You come here demanding simple, immediate answers from me, yet are perfectly willing to defend the actions of a government agency that claims it needs 75 years to explain how they speed the approval of an experimental shot with an unprecedented dearth of human clinical trials.

GTFO of here with the BS.

I'm not demanding anything nor did I make your response time bound. Just asking a question. Yes or no? Apparently that's too much to ask of you to put your money where your mouth is. You never really add anything of import to a discussion anyway nor back up any of your notions. So yeah, to be expected, actually.
Aw, you're full of it.

Apparently, a simple yes or no answer suffices for you when it comes to someone's thoughts on an issue, yet the rushed regulatory approval or denial of a new method of treatment, and government implementation of mandatory shots, mandatory lockdowns, and forced segregation, for what amounts to a severe cold, is somehow justified in your mind.

Might as well ask the FDA to come up with a new medicine that will shield you from the effects of what awaits you and others adopting your philosophy.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on February 12, 2023, 11:30:41 AM
The FDA is going to take 75 fucking years to produce the evidence it fucking used to approve an experimental vaccine (one that doesn't even fucking work, mind you...and one that forced all the wordsmiths to actually rewrite the definition of the word vaccine)and you fucking you want them to regulate something?

Go ahead. Be my guest.

I'm not the fucking idiot here.

And I can look at current actions and draw highly reasonable conclusions as to outcomes.

So, yeah. It ain't gonna pretty for you and the rest of the usual suspects here.

So do you want to get rid of the FDA or not? It's just a yes or no question that doesn't require incoherent hysterical vitriol.
Nothing incoherent about it.

You come here demanding simple, immediate answers from me, yet are perfectly willing to defend the actions of a government agency that claims it needs 75 years to explain how they speed the approval of an experimental shot with an unprecedented dearth of human clinical trials.

GTFO of here with the BS.

I'm not demanding anything nor did I make your response time bound. Just asking a question. Yes or no? Apparently that's too much to ask of you to put your money where your mouth is. You never really add anything of import to a discussion anyway nor back up any of your notions. So yeah, to be expected, actually.
Aw, you're full of it.

Apparently, a simple yes or no answer suffices for you when it comes to someone's thoughts on an issue, yet the rushed regulatory approval or denial of a new method of treatment, and government implementation of mandatory shots, mandatory lockdowns, and forced segregation, for what amounts to a severe cold, is somehow justified in your mind.

Might as well ask the FDA to come up with a new medicine that will shield you from the effects of what awaits you and others adopting your philosophy.

Cool, I guess that's a yes then. Thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 12, 2023, 11:42:35 AM
No one was forced to get the vaccine.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 12, 2023, 11:53:49 AM
No one was forced to get the vaccine.
LOL!

Can you read?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 12, 2023, 11:56:54 AM
The FDA is going to take 75 fucking years to produce the evidence it fucking used to approve an experimental vaccine (one that doesn't even fucking work, mind you...and one that forced all the wordsmiths to actually rewrite the definition of the word vaccine)and you fucking you want them to regulate something?

Go ahead. Be my guest.

I'm not the fucking idiot here.

And I can look at current actions and draw highly reasonable conclusions as to outcomes.

So, yeah. It ain't gonna pretty for you and the rest of the usual suspects here.

So do you want to get rid of the FDA or not? It's just a yes or no question that doesn't require incoherent hysterical vitriol.
Nothing incoherent about it.

You come here demanding simple, immediate answers from me, yet are perfectly willing to defend the actions of a government agency that claims it needs 75 years to explain how they speed the approval of an experimental shot with an unprecedented dearth of human clinical trials.

GTFO of here with the BS.

I'm not demanding anything nor did I make your response time bound. Just asking a question. Yes or no? Apparently that's too much to ask of you to put your money where your mouth is. You never really add anything of import to a discussion anyway nor back up any of your notions. So yeah, to be expected, actually.
Aw, you're full of it.

Apparently, a simple yes or no answer suffices for you when it comes to someone's thoughts on an issue, yet the rushed regulatory approval or denial of a new method of treatment, and government implementation of mandatory shots, mandatory lockdowns, and forced segregation, for what amounts to a severe cold, is somehow justified in your mind.

Might as well ask the FDA to come up with a new medicine that will shield you from the effects of what awaits you and others adopting your philosophy.

Cool, I guess that's a yes then. Thanks for clarifying.
Ditto, tyrant.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 12, 2023, 12:55:33 PM
No one was forced to get the vaccine.
LOL!

Can you read?

Whoa, weird symbols you randomly put there. I wonder what they mean?  Wish I could read 🥲
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 12, 2023, 02:37:43 PM
No one was forced to get the vaccine.
LOL!

Can you read?

Whoa, weird symbols you randomly put there. I wonder what they mean?  Wish I could read 🥲
So does everyone else here.

Once you achieve this, perhaps your posts will start making sense, as reading is a prerequisite to writing.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 12, 2023, 02:39:29 PM
No one was forced to get the vaccine.
LOL!

Can you read?

Whoa, weird symbols you randomly put there. I wonder what they mean?  Wish I could read 🥲
So does everyone else here.

Once you achieve this, perhaps your posts will start making sense, as reading is a prerequisite to writing.

Please only post audio notes from now on so the literacy challenged can engage. Thanks.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Pete Svarrior on February 12, 2023, 02:41:42 PM
No one was forced to get the vaccine.
I mean, the level of coercion involved was kind of out there. It's all well and good to say people weren't forced, so long as they were willing to lose their jobs and sacrifice their entire livelihoods; but is that really a pragmatic argument?

For people less privileged than you or me, there was scarcely a choice. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but we shouldn't hide from the fact.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rushy on February 12, 2023, 03:55:50 PM
No one was forced to get the vaccine.
I mean, the level of coercion involved was kind of out there. It's all well and good to say people weren't forced, so long as they were willing to lose their jobs and sacrifice their entire livelihoods; but is that really a pragmatic argument?

For people less privileged than you or me, there was scarcely a choice. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but we shouldn't hide from the fact.

Imagine replying to the left-leaning version of thork and expecting to have an intelligent conversation.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 12, 2023, 04:04:13 PM
No one was forced to get the vaccine.
I mean, the level of coercion involved was kind of out there. It's all well and good to say people weren't forced, so long as they were willing to lose their jobs and sacrifice their entire livelihoods; but is that really a pragmatic argument?

For people less privileged than you or me, there was scarcely a choice. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but we shouldn't hide from the fact.

I’m well aware there is nuance there, but Action69 is incapable of it, so I don’t bother with him. He appears to be utterly incapable of thinking that people in tough positions often make hasty choices without considering there could have been better and so paints them all as literal Hitler and then creepily threatens some vague retribution which he TOTALLY won’t be involved in.

To your point, I agree, but considering the times and means available, I think the amount of coercion wasn’t unwarranted although policy makers should make sure they thoroughly evaluate the events of the past few years to try and come up with less panicky responses.

Imagine replying to the left-leaning version of thork and expecting to have an intelligent conversation.

Imagine chiming in on this conversation just to be a twat.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rushy on February 12, 2023, 04:13:47 PM
Imagine chiming in on this conversation just to be a twat.

Oh, I'm sorry, is it only acceptable when you do that?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rama Set on February 12, 2023, 04:34:41 PM
Imagine chiming in on this conversation just to be a twat.

Oh, I'm sorry, is it only acceptable when you do that?

You keep doubling down, muffin.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 12, 2023, 04:58:40 PM
No one was forced to get the vaccine.
I mean, the level of coercion involved was kind of out there. It's all well and good to say people weren't forced, so long as they were willing to lose their jobs and sacrifice their entire livelihoods; but is that really a pragmatic argument?

For people less privileged than you or me, there was scarcely a choice. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but we shouldn't hide from the fact.

I’m well aware there is nuance there, but Action69 is incapable of it, so I don’t bother with him. He appears to be utterly incapable of thinking that people in tough positions often make hasty choices without considering there could have been better and so paints them all as literal Hitler and then creepily threatens some vague retribution which he TOTALLY won’t be involved in.

To your point, I agree, but considering the times and means available, I think the amount of coercion wasn’t unwarranted although policy makers should make sure they thoroughly evaluate the events of the past few years to try and come up with less panicky responses.

Imagine replying to the left-leaning version of thork and expecting to have an intelligent conversation.

Imagine chiming in on this conversation just to be a twat.
Imagine being an utter dick, incapable of reading.

Kindly point out where I fucking wrote that anyone was forced to take the shot.

I'll save the fucking time.

I didn't.

Further, you and your ilk were on here for the entire time writing hymns and singing HOSANNA when these policymakers were mandating the shot and implementing forced lockdowns and quarantines.

Now STFU.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Rushy on February 12, 2023, 05:10:09 PM
Imagine chiming in on this conversation just to be a twat.

Oh, I'm sorry, is it only acceptable when you do that?

You keep doubling down, muffin.

"Nooo, only I'm allowed to say rude things about people I don't like, you're not supposed to do it, too!"

Just another reason why I need to warn people not to engage with you or you'll just thork-out like this again.

Imagine being an utter dick, incapable of reading.

Kindly point out where I fucking wrote that anyone was forced to take the shot.

I'll save the fucking time.

I didn't.

Further, you and your ilk were on here for the entire time writing hymns and singing HOSANNA when these policymakers were mandating the shot and implementing forced lockdowns and quarantines.

Now STFU, you cock.

I already pointed out that Rama lacks the ability to debate intellectually. He doesn't actually care about what you did or didn't say, nor would he be capable of responding normally if he did. You're wasting your time.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: markjo on February 12, 2023, 07:15:13 PM
Imagine being an utter dick, incapable of reading.
Imagine not feeling the need to resort to personal attacks every time someone disagrees with you.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on February 12, 2023, 08:32:47 PM
Imagine being an utter dick, incapable of reading.
Imagine not feeling the need to resort to personal attacks every time someone disagrees with you.
Okay, ilk.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on March 10, 2023, 08:21:04 PM
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162612886/covid-origins-bill
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 04, 2023, 12:40:51 AM
It appears that the major outlets are now publishing opinions and recommendations for most people not to get the boosters. Quite the change from 2021 and 2022 where it was considered misinformation to tell people not to take the vaccine.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/berenson-fiercest-vaccine-advocates-are-starting-admit-truth-about-mrnas

Quote
(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/2023-04-03_09-28-30.jpg?itok=XeGYswBX)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: stack on April 04, 2023, 02:10:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/thWnulD.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on April 04, 2023, 04:31:27 AM
It appears that the major outlets are now publishing opinions and recommendations for most people not to get the boosters. Quite the change from 2021 and 2022 where it was considered misinformation to tell people not to take the vaccine.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/berenson-fiercest-vaccine-advocates-are-starting-admit-truth-about-mrnas

Quote
(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/2023-04-03_09-28-30.jpg?itok=XeGYswBX)

I thought the vaccines were a way to murder and/or control everyone and therefore would never be allowed to change that narrative of getting boosters.

Tell us, Tom.  Why did the powers decide to change things?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 28, 2023, 08:33:50 PM
Your denialism did this.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/who-warns-of-unusual-surge-in-severe-myocarditis-in-babies_5271536.html

(https://i.imgur.com/S0YKRVc.jpg)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on June 29, 2023, 03:45:49 AM
Your denialism did this.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/who-warns-of-unusual-surge-in-severe-myocarditis-in-babies_5271536.html

(https://i.imgur.com/S0YKRVc.jpg)

https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2023-DON465

How so?
Quote
Between June 2022 and April 2023, ten hospitalised neonates with a positive enterovirus Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test were found to have myocarditis. Seven of the ten cases had further subtyping, with either coxsackie B3 or coxsackie B4 identified. As of 5 May 2023, one patient was still hospitalised, and one had died.

10 neonatal babies in a whole year!  And how is that related to the millions of babies born to vaccinated mothers?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2023, 10:09:00 AM
It should be close to 0 babies. And only a selected number were looked at in a specific area. The sound of alarm is legitimate.

It was more like 15 newborns that the WHO looked at, who were below a certain age limit and from certain areas:

https://tapnewswire.com/2023/05/two-uk-babies-dead-from-myocarditis-total-of-16-babies-developed-severe-myocarditis-in-wales-england-eight-ended-up-in-intensive-care/

(https://i.imgur.com/GLmJWpM.png)

This article says that there were others with myocarditis that were not included, so it is unclear how many there really are or how selective the WHO study was:

(https://i.imgur.com/25C53QM.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on August 12, 2023, 11:10:55 PM
CDC data shows that excess mortality between ages 0-44 continued to rise even as Covid Mortality declined. Doctors #Baffled

https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/status/1690133677450125312
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: ichoosereality on August 13, 2023, 01:17:32 AM
CDC data shows that excess mortality between ages 0-44 continued to rise even as Covid Mortality declined. Doctors #Baffled

https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/status/1690133677450125312
No idea where that data is sourced from.  Here is a site where you can put in what ages/states you want to see using CDC data and for 0-24 year olds for the entire US it shows going up starting 2020 but being flat and coming down in 2023.
https://www.usmortality.com/excess-mortality/percentage. (the attach didn't work for me but just go and play with it yourself).

Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on August 13, 2023, 02:39:14 AM
Quote from: ichoosereality
No idea where that data is sourced from.

Did you try checking the image to see if it referenced the organization and url for the data?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: ichoosereality on August 13, 2023, 03:00:21 AM
Quote from: ichoosereality
No idea where that data is sourced from.

Did you try checking the image to see if it referenced the organization and url for the data?
The source I offered does not offer the filtering options in the url.  I can download and then attach that image file but I could not see how to reference the attached file in an img src=... . 
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on August 13, 2023, 08:33:48 AM
Quote from: ichoosereality
No idea where that data is sourced from.

Did you try checking the image to see if it referenced the organization and url for the data?
The source I offered does not offer the filtering options in the url.  I can download and then attach that image file but I could not see how to reference the attached file in an img src=... .
The data Tom provided comes from the CDC/NCHS.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on August 13, 2023, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: ichoosereality
No idea where that data is sourced from.

Did you try checking the image to see if it referenced the organization and url for the data?

Why us it gathering US and UK only data?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: ichoosereality on August 13, 2023, 05:02:07 PM
Quote from: ichoosereality
No idea where that data is sourced from.

Did you try checking the image to see if it referenced the organization and url for the data?
The source I offered does not offer the filtering options in the url.  I can download and then attach that image file but I could not see how to reference the attached file in an img src=... .
The data Tom provided comes from the CDC/NCHS.
The wonder.cdc.gov site offers a vast number of options of what to include and what to exclude from a generated chart.  The X (aka twitter) post Tom linked to is not clear enough to determine what they all were (or at least my attempts and cutting/pasting/squinting did not succeed).
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on August 13, 2023, 05:05:13 PM
Quote from: ichoosereality
No idea where that data is sourced from.

Did you try checking the image to see if it referenced the organization and url for the data?

Why us it gathering US and UK only data?

The CDC and NCHS only collects data for their respective countries. However, this seems to be a worldwide trend.

Japan -

https://slaynews.com/news/japan-records-highest-excess-deaths-since-wwii-officials-demand-truth/

(https://i.imgur.com/DiWO9Op.jpg)

Australia -

https://pennybutler.com/australia-records-highest-excess-deaths-since-wwii/


Oddly, the countries which rank lowest in vaccine doses had the least excess mortality.

https://national-conservative.com/bulgaria-romania-rank-lowest-in-vax-doses-and-excess-mortality/

(https://i.imgur.com/fvKplPm.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on August 13, 2023, 05:44:25 PM
The source of the graphs:
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic?s=20

He seems to have drawn a conclusion that its the vaccines causing it yet also seems to admit to having no data on what is causing it.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 07, 2023, 04:04:30 PM
Coincidence is the #1 killer of vaccine poster boys.

https://twitter.com/_aussie17/status/1710512436728725614
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on October 07, 2023, 04:35:12 PM
Coincidence is the #1 killer of vaccine poster boys.

https://twitter.com/_aussie17/status/1710512436728725614

Kinda an overused trope, conspiracy theorists insisting that coincidences are never really coincidences. Trite and boring. I guess I should expect it from you by now but it's still disappointing. *yawn*
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: honk on October 07, 2023, 07:48:51 PM
What's even the argument here, that the vaccine killed one of these boys after two years and the other after three years? And the millions of us who are still doing fine, we're just waiting until the poison eventually kicks in?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 07, 2023, 09:18:49 PM
The Covid Vaxxine...

It will DEFINITELY KILL YOU!


Eventually.  Probably.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on October 07, 2023, 09:23:15 PM
Hey, the vaccine works...[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 07, 2023, 09:52:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZcLloWxaxI
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 07, 2023, 09:54:53 PM
The other boy had a strong immune reaction and died at the hospital after being "treated" for a "viral infection".

The mom also administered ibuprofen besides insisting on taking him to the hospital - both things she shouldn't've done. Especially during COVID hysteria.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 07, 2023, 11:42:25 PM
What's even the argument here, that the vaccine killed one of these boys after two years and the other after three years? And the millions of us who are still doing fine, we're just waiting until the poison eventually kicks in?

Eight year old weren't being vaccinated in 2021. Vaccination of children is a more recent phenomenon.

(https://i.imgur.com/kwUyP10.png)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: honk on October 08, 2023, 02:32:15 AM
What's even the argument here, that the vaccine killed one of these boys after two years and the other after three years? And the millions of us who are still doing fine, we're just waiting until the poison eventually kicks in?

Eight year old weren't being vaccinated in 2021. Vaccination of children is a more recent phenomenon.

Children have been safely vaccinated for many, many years, but I take it you specifically mean the covid vaccine. Okay, fair enough. In that case, what's the connection between these deaths and the pro-vaccination campaigns they appeared in? Does appearing in a pro-vaccination campaign make you more likely to die from a vaccine? For that matter, what evidence is there that their deaths are related to vaccines at all?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 08, 2023, 08:13:13 AM
What's even the argument here, that the vaccine killed one of these boys after two years and the other after three years? And the millions of us who are still doing fine, we're just waiting until the poison eventually kicks in?

Eight year old weren't being vaccinated in 2021. Vaccination of children is a more recent phenomenon.

(https://i.imgur.com/kwUyP10.png)

Why are you using the FDA for a kid who was in Argentina and Israel reapectively?
https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.business-standard.com/amp/article/current-affairs/argentina-to-start-covid-vaccination-of-children-aged-3-11-by-end-of-2021-121100200120_1.html?espv=1


Also, Blanko wasn't promoting covid vaccines and may not have gotten one.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 08, 2023, 09:39:59 AM
Also, Blanko wasn't promoting covid vaccines and may not have gotten one.

It's Blanco and you're right, he was used to promote other vaxx. Since all vaxx are poisons, it is a moot point.

Ultimately, he was killed by iatrogenesis and that includes vaxx also.

Something caused him to have a strong immune reaction, and it's very likely that it was some vaxx. Doesn't really matter if it was some COVID vaxx or not, IMO (well, it would matter if the parents would publish his vaxx history).

There's also a point to be made that these boys didn't die suddenly, they died in hospitals - so it's not the right thread for them.

RIP anyways to the little ones.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 08, 2023, 10:11:33 AM
Why are you using the FDA for a kid who was in Argentina and Israel reapectively?
https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.business-standard.com/amp/article/current-affairs/argentina-to-start-covid-vaccination-of-children-aged-3-11-by-end-of-2021-121100200120_1.html?espv=1


Also, Blanko wasn't promoting covid vaccines and may not have gotten one.

That article doesn't tell the full story. At the end of 2021 Argentina approved emergency use of a Covid vaccine called Sinopharm, to give to children with comorbidity health issues. It was not officially approved at that time or meant for all children.

Argentina approves emergency use of Sinopharm COVID-19 vaccines for children (https://www.imago-images.com/st/0146563399)

This article clarifies that it was specifically for children who had other underlying conditions:

Oct 2021 - https://en.mercopress.com/2021/10/05/argentine-health-authorities-finally-set-a-date-for-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-3-to-11

"Argentina will start on October 12 vaccinating children aged between 3 and 11 who have other underlying conditions against COVID-19. Local health authorities have chosen the Sinopharm drug for the campaign."

The article describes various controversy from parent groups.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Action80 on October 08, 2023, 10:38:14 AM
Pfizer didn't even distribute the approved formulation...
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 08, 2023, 01:10:36 PM
I haven't seen any evidence that the Blanco kid got injected with that Chinese poison.

More likely than not some vaxx caused his reaction, but there's no evidence that it was "Sinopharm" AFAIK.

So you (Tom) are producing a debate about something which there is no evidence for.

That said, no kid should be vaxxed with anything. At all.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 08, 2023, 02:07:55 PM
I haven't seen any evidence that the Blanco kid got injected with that Chinese poison.

More likely than not some vaxx caused his reaction, but there's no evidence that it was "Sinopharm" AFAIK.

So you (Tom) are producing a debate about something which there is no evidence for.

That said, no kid should be vaxxed with anything. At all.

So... those kids who got a polio vaccine shouldn't have? 
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 08, 2023, 02:10:38 PM
So... those kids who got a polio vaccine shouldn't have?

Is it a big taboo in your vaxx cult to say that?

Oh my!
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 08, 2023, 04:02:11 PM
I haven't seen any evidence that the Blanco kid got injected with that Chinese poison.

More likely than not some vaxx caused his reaction, but there's no evidence that it was "Sinopharm" AFAIK.

So you (Tom) are producing a debate about something which there is no evidence for.

That said, no kid should be vaxxed with anything. At all.

My argument is that he did not take that. Sinophram was a vaccine given in Argentina in late 2021 to children who had medical comorbidities. So no, it's not likely that he took that.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 08, 2023, 04:35:43 PM
So... those kids who got a polio vaccine shouldn't have?

Is it a big taboo in your vaxx cult to say that?

Oh my!

No, more like human history really.
You should probably go find some old people.  Ask them about polio.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on October 08, 2023, 04:48:07 PM
Wow, "the vaxx cult", like we're the ones on the fringes being duped into believing ridiculous things  :D
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: RonJ on October 08, 2023, 05:14:08 PM
No, more like human history really.
You should probably go find some old people.  Ask them about polio.
Yes, at one time polio was a problem, at least in the USA.  My parents had some religious reasons against the vaccine, but I and my siblings all ended up getting it anyway.  There were lots of pressure put on everyone to get vaccinated.  When in high school I can remember at least one student that had polio and his leg was all messed up. He hopped around as best he could and got by.  There was at least one other acquaintance that had it as well, but the effects were minor. The vaccine must have worked because I haven’t run across anyone with polio in over 50 years.   
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 08, 2023, 06:32:38 PM
No, more like human history really.
You should probably go find some old people.  Ask them about polio.

If they're old enough they will also tell me how there used to be no autists like you back in the old days before mass vaxx. Now that people are more vaxxed than ever it's commonplace and you can't go one week without meeting someone on the spectrum or hearing about it. I wonder why?

Wow, "the vaxx cult", like we're the ones on the fringes being duped into believing ridiculous things  :D

Actually you are. Not part of the fringes, though. More like part of the mainstream corral with all the other clueless farm animals. BAAA!!

The vaccine must have worked because I haven’t run across anyone with polio in over 50 years.

- Is this how you do science?

- Yes, it is. BAAA!!
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 08, 2023, 07:18:57 PM
No, more like human history really.
You should probably go find some old people.  Ask them about polio.

If they're old enough they will also tell me how there used to be no autists like you back in the old days before mass vaxx. Now that people are more vaxxed than ever it's commonplace and you can't go one week without meeting someone on the spectrum or hearing about it. I wonder why?
Autism existed.  Facinsting read: the term was coined in 1911 (over 100 years after the first vaccine) to mean an excess of infentile fantasy in children.  But this was challenged and rewritten in 1972 to mean a deficiency of fantasy. 

1918 had the military made influeza vaccine to combat the spanish flu.  It was inconclusive.
1937 had the yellow fever vaccine, which worked.  Got the man a nobel prize.
1939 had the whooping cough vaccine which apparently wasn't 100% effective but went from 15.1 children/100 children to 2.3/100 children infection rate.  Not bad.
1954 had the polio vaccine.
1960 had a second type of polio vaccine.

So yeah, vaccines have been around longer than the definition of Autism.  And this wasn't because Autism didn't exist but rather it wasn't diagnosed properly.

Probably just called em Retard, slow, touched, posessed by satan, etc...
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 08, 2023, 07:23:18 PM
No, more like human history really.
You should probably go find some old people.  Ask them about polio.

If they're old enough they will also tell me how there used to be no autists like you back in the old days before mass vaxx. Now that people are more vaxxed than ever it's commonplace and you can't go one week without meeting someone on the spectrum or hearing about it. I wonder why?
Autism existed.  Facinsting read: the term was coined in 1911 (over 100 years after the first vaccine) to mean an excess of infentile fantasy in children.  But this was challenged and rewritten in 1972 to mean a deficiency of fantasy. 

1918 had the military made influeza vaccine to combat the spanish flu.  It was inconclusive.
1937 had the yellow fever vaccine, which worked.  Got the man a nobel prize.
1939 had the whooping cough vaccine which apparently wasn't 100% effective but went from 15.1 children/100 children to 2.3/100 children infection rate.  Not bad.
1954 had the polio vaccine.
1960 had a second type of polio vaccine.

So yeah, vaccines have been around longer than the definition of Autism.  And this wasn't because Autism didn't exist but rather it wasn't diagnosed properly.

Probably just called em Retard, slow, touched, posessed by satan, etc...

Well, considering that autism and all those terms are synonymous with brain damage - yes, I believe brain-damaged people existed before maxx vaccination. Duh.

But there's A LOT more since the mass vaxx, and steadily on the rise year after year.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 08, 2023, 09:02:28 PM
No, more like human history really.
You should probably go find some old people.  Ask them about polio.

If they're old enough they will also tell me how there used to be no autists like you back in the old days before mass vaxx. Now that people are more vaxxed than ever it's commonplace and you can't go one week without meeting someone on the spectrum or hearing about it. I wonder why?
Autism existed.  Facinsting read: the term was coined in 1911 (over 100 years after the first vaccine) to mean an excess of infentile fantasy in children.  But this was challenged and rewritten in 1972 to mean a deficiency of fantasy. 

1918 had the military made influeza vaccine to combat the spanish flu.  It was inconclusive.
1937 had the yellow fever vaccine, which worked.  Got the man a nobel prize.
1939 had the whooping cough vaccine which apparently wasn't 100% effective but went from 15.1 children/100 children to 2.3/100 children infection rate.  Not bad.
1954 had the polio vaccine.
1960 had a second type of polio vaccine.

So yeah, vaccines have been around longer than the definition of Autism.  And this wasn't because Autism didn't exist but rather it wasn't diagnosed properly.

Probably just called em Retard, slow, touched, posessed by satan, etc...

Well, considering that autism and all those terms are synonymous with brain damage - yes, I believe brain-damaged people existed before maxx vaccination. Duh.

But there's A LOT more since the mass vaxx, and steadily on the rise year after year.
Well.. no.  Autism isn't brain damage.  There's certainly something not wired properly, but its not actual damage.  Damage implies it was fine beforehand.

As for why the rise:
Increase diagnosises, better access to such care, wider education on what autism is, and a rising population.  Y'all always forget the population rise. 
If 1% of people are autistic, more people will be diagnosed every year simply because the total population keeps growing.  Simple math.
But its mostly better diagnostics.  Plus some people are high functioning so they wouldn't have been diagnosed 20 years ago but now they would.

In any case, your entire belief on that comes from one debunked study that was never repeated.  Much like believing in bigfoot because someone took a blurry picture of a tall, hairy humanoid.  Probably.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 08, 2023, 10:11:43 PM
Well.. no.  Autism isn't brain damage.  There's certainly something not wired properly, but its not actual damage.  Damage implies it was fine beforehand.

As for why the rise:
Increase diagnosises, better access to such care, wider education on what autism is, and a rising population.  Y'all always forget the population rise. 
If 1% of people are autistic, more people will be diagnosed every year simply because the total population keeps growing.  Simple math.
But its mostly better diagnostics.  Plus some people are high functioning so they wouldn't have been diagnosed 20 years ago but now they would.

In any case, your entire belief on that comes from one debunked study that was never repeated.  Much like believing in bigfoot because someone took a blurry picture of a tall, hairy humanoid.  Probably.

Proportionaly speaking there are more autistic aka brain-damaged people than ever. Vaxx is not the only cause, but it's either the main cause or a close second.

High-functioning simply means the damage isn't as bad. That's why you have a whole spectrum that directly correlates to how brain-damaged you are in key areas.

It's actually well known that vaxx can -and does- cause brain damage. A scientific fact. Well, they can cause all sorts of biological damages and even death because they're poisons.

You can be in denial all you want, but facts are facts.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on October 08, 2023, 11:30:16 PM
Actually you are. Not part of the fringes, though. More like part of the mainstream corral with all the other clueless farm animals. BAAA!!!

Right, like any cultist you think you're one of the chosen few privy to the real truth, never mind what pesky irrelevancies like "science" have to say. You must really feel special not to be one of the sheep!  :D
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: markjo on October 09, 2023, 02:30:43 AM
But there's A LOT more since the mass vaxx, and steadily on the rise year after year.
There are also a lot more chemical additives and preservatives in processed food and all sorts of nasty chemicals in the environment than there were back in the day.  But that couldn't have anything to do with what's going on now, could it?  Nah.  Gotta be the vaxxes.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 09, 2023, 04:17:28 AM
Well.. no.  Autism isn't brain damage.  There's certainly something not wired properly, but its not actual damage.  Damage implies it was fine beforehand.

As for why the rise:
Increase diagnosises, better access to such care, wider education on what autism is, and a rising population.  Y'all always forget the population rise. 
If 1% of people are autistic, more people will be diagnosed every year simply because the total population keeps growing.  Simple math.
But its mostly better diagnostics.  Plus some people are high functioning so they wouldn't have been diagnosed 20 years ago but now they would.

In any case, your entire belief on that comes from one debunked study that was never repeated.  Much like believing in bigfoot because someone took a blurry picture of a tall, hairy humanoid.  Probably.

Proportionaly speaking there are more autistic aka brain-damaged people than ever. Vaxx is not the only cause, but it's either the main cause or a close second.

High-functioning simply means the damage isn't as bad. That's why you have a whole spectrum that directly correlates to how brain-damaged you are in key areas.

It's actually well known that vaxx can -and does- cause brain damage. A scientific fact. Well, they can cause all sorts of biological damages and even death because they're poisons.

You can be in denial all you want, but facts are facts.

A fact is it?
Well then perhaps you can tell me why 99% of the world doesn't have Autism?  Seems odd if all vaccines ever made since the smallpox vaccine are poison.

Also, please cite 3 peer reviewed papers stating this as a fact.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 09, 2023, 09:39:50 AM
Actually you are. Not part of the fringes, though. More like part of the mainstream corral with all the other clueless farm animals. BAAA!!!

Right, like any cultist you think you're one of the chosen few privy to the real truth, never mind what pesky irrelevancies like "science" have to say. You must really feel special not to be one of the sheep!  :D

Maybe you should change your name to Ranty.  (https://i.ibb.co/jGbbc3f/rofl2.png)

But there's A LOT more since the mass vaxx, and steadily on the rise year after year.
There are also a lot more chemical additives and preservatives in processed food and all sorts of nasty chemicals in the environment than there were back in the day.  But that couldn't have anything to do with what's going on now, could it?  Nah.  Gotta be the vaxxes.

Chemicals causing autism, aka brain damage? Don't be silly!

Well duh, since both metals and chemicals can cause brain damage, there are multiple causes of "autism". So I'm not even sure if vaxx are the #1 cause. I already said as much before you posted your "retort".

A fact is it?
Well then perhaps you can tell me why 99% of the world doesn't have Autism?  Seems odd if all vaccines ever made since the smallpox vaccine are poison.

Well, I'm not an expert but not all vaxx are the same and you have to get unlucky to get significant brain damage in certain areas from vaxx.

In the US alone they're already at 3%:

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html (https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on October 09, 2023, 04:12:22 PM
Actually you are. Not part of the fringes, though. More like part of the mainstream corral with all the other clueless farm animals. BAAA!!!

Right, like any cultist you think you're one of the chosen few privy to the real truth, never mind what pesky irrelevancies like "science" have to say. You must really feel special not to be one of the sheep!  :D

Maybe you should change your name to Ranty.

Why? Does my amusement at your delusions come across as ranting? I promise, I'm just laughing at you.

Ranting is what you're doing, but please don't stop, it's frequently hilarious!
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 09, 2023, 04:56:57 PM
Actually you are. Not part of the fringes, though. More like part of the mainstream corral with all the other clueless farm animals. BAAA!!!

Right, like any cultist you think you're one of the chosen few privy to the real truth, never mind what pesky irrelevancies like "science" have to say. You must really feel special not to be one of the sheep!  :D

Maybe you should change your name to Ranty.

Why? Does my amusement at your delusions come across as ranting? I promise, I'm just laughing at you.

Ranting is what you're doing, but please don't stop, it's frequently hilarious!

I can't see you laughing, though.

Show me how you're laughing, send me a video.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on October 09, 2023, 05:12:52 PM
Actually you are. Not part of the fringes, though. More like part of the mainstream corral with all the other clueless farm animals. BAAA!!!

Right, like any cultist you think you're one of the chosen few privy to the real truth, never mind what pesky irrelevancies like "science" have to say. You must really feel special not to be one of the sheep!  :D

Maybe you should change your name to Ranty.

Why? Does my amusement at your delusions come across as ranting? I promise, I'm just laughing at you.

Ranting is what you're doing, but please don't stop, it's frequently hilarious!

I can't see you laughing, though.

Show me how you're laughing, send me a video.

I expressed my laughter through the power of the emoticon  :D
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 09, 2023, 05:20:03 PM
I expressed my laughter through the power of the emoticon  :D

In other words, another anonymous troll.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Roundy on October 09, 2023, 05:30:16 PM
I expressed my laughter through the power of the emoticon  :D

In other words, another anonymous troll.

Kindred spirits, we are!
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 09, 2023, 05:34:16 PM
Actually you are. Not part of the fringes, though. More like part of the mainstream corral with all the other clueless farm animals. BAAA!!!

Right, like any cultist you think you're one of the chosen few privy to the real truth, never mind what pesky irrelevancies like "science" have to say. You must really feel special not to be one of the sheep!  :D

Maybe you should change your name to Ranty.  (https://i.ibb.co/jGbbc3f/rofl2.png)

But there's A LOT more since the mass vaxx, and steadily on the rise year after year.
There are also a lot more chemical additives and preservatives in processed food and all sorts of nasty chemicals in the environment than there were back in the day.  But that couldn't have anything to do with what's going on now, could it?  Nah.  Gotta be the vaxxes.

Chemicals causing autism, aka brain damage? Don't be silly!

Well duh, since both metals and chemicals can cause brain damage, there are multiple causes of "autism". So I'm not even sure if vaxx are the #1 cause. I already said as much before you posted your "retort".

A fact is it?
Well then perhaps you can tell me why 99% of the world doesn't have Autism?  Seems odd if all vaccines ever made since the smallpox vaccine are poison.

Well, I'm not an expert but not all vaxx are the same and you have to get unlucky to get significant brain damage in certain areas from vaxx.

In the US alone they're already at 3%:

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html (https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html)

Question:
How do you know it causes any damage?  What is your baseline and how do you test for damage vs birth defect?

Second question: why is the damage random if everyone in the same country has the same vaccination schedule?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 09, 2023, 06:11:44 PM
Question:
How do you know it causes any damage?  What is your baseline and how do you test for damage vs birth defect?

Second question: why is the damage random if everyone in the same country has the same vaccination schedule?

Vaxx are meant to cause damage, that's their whole purpose besides making huge profits. At best they're meant to not do anything except make money. The entire theory that they help you is utter bunk and full of myths and lies. It's just a lottery what kind of damage you get, but some vaxx are more dangerous than others.

I was very much pro-vaxx (that's what they train you to be in school besides a globe believer and all the rest of it, if you remember) and it took me years to reach that conclusion, so it's not a walk in the park to explain it (and like I said I'm not an expert). I'm just giving you the facts and you can do your own research if you want to, which is definitely the best course of action.

That said, even mainstream doesn't tell you that they're harmless lol. They just can't hide everything and they can't always blame something else...

In fact, they tell you they're toxic because they have to be toxic. Kinda like Blue Marble is fake because it has to be. Teehee.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 09, 2023, 07:02:45 PM
Question:
How do you know it causes any damage?  What is your baseline and how do you test for damage vs birth defect?

Second question: why is the damage random if everyone in the same country has the same vaccination schedule?

Vaxx are meant to cause damage, that's their whole purpose besides making huge profits. At best they're meant to not do anything except make money. The entire theory that they help you is utter bunk and full of myths and lies. It's just a lottery what kind of damage you get, but some vaxx are more dangerous than others.

I was very much pro-vaxx (that's what they train you to be in school besides a globe believer and all the rest of it, if you remember) and it took me years to reach that conclusion, so it's not a walk in the park to explain it (and like I said I'm not an expert). I'm just giving you the facts and you can do your own research if you want to, which is definitely the best course of action.

That said, even mainstream doesn't tell you that they're harmless lol. They just can't hide everything and they can't always blame something else...

In fact, they tell you they're toxic because they have to be toxic. Kinda like Blue Marble is fake because it has to be. Teehee.
I have done my own research.  And it is not showing what you say. 

You, however, don't even seem to know why you think what you do.  You just know "Vaccines bad" without having the understanding as to why.

Its very curious.

But tell me, why is it full of lies?  Is smallpox still a treat?  Polio?  Whooping cough?  Measels?
Or did these diseases just not exist?  Or weren't a problem?
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 09, 2023, 07:26:12 PM
I have done my own research.  And it is not showing what you say. 

You, however, don't even seem to know why you think what you do.  You just know "Vaccines bad" without having the understanding as to why.

Its very curious.

But tell me, why is it full of lies?  Is smallpox still a treat?  Polio?  Whooping cough?  Measels?
Or did these diseases just not exist?  Or weren't a problem?

I'm very happy for you that you did your own research (just like I imagine you did your own research regarding FE, yes?).

I understand more than you think, I'm simply not willing to share it on demand just for the sake of being attacked by you or any other vaxx cult member.

It's very obvious that's what your intent is. The only reason I'm replying to you is out of brief courtesy because you did help my research a bit in another thread. Granted, you did it for the wrong reasons, but oh well.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 09, 2023, 08:53:41 PM
I have done my own research.  And it is not showing what you say. 

You, however, don't even seem to know why you think what you do.  You just know "Vaccines bad" without having the understanding as to why.

Its very curious.

But tell me, why is it full of lies?  Is smallpox still a treat?  Polio?  Whooping cough?  Measels?
Or did these diseases just not exist?  Or weren't a problem?

I'm very happy for you that you did your own research (just like I imagine you did your own research regarding FE, yes?).

I understand more than you think, I'm simply not willing to share it on demand just for the sake of being attacked by you or any other vaxx cult member.

It's very obvious that's what your intent is. The only reason I'm replying to you is out of brief courtesy because you did help my research a bit in another thread. Granted, you did it for the wrong reasons, but oh well.
Oh I did.  You should see some of my early posts.  But I learned early on that it doesn't matter what you say, what proof you have or who gives it: you can't win them over.  Not even god could convice FEers that the earth is round.  Their minds started on that fact and work around it to make everything else fit.  And its such a cornerstone of their world view that removing it would he akin to plucking out your own eyes. 


As for my intent: my intent is to debate.  To argue.  I learned alot doing it.  Like the Hawaii thread: learned alot about satellite imagry. Odd you wanted something (satellite images) that don't exist on a flat earth but meh.

But you are no different than most others here: you have a belief but nothing holding it up.  Instead you build your view around that belief and explain away things that don't fit with pure imagination.  In the end, you're hallow.  Empty.  A shell of ideas and fantasy because you can't accept that the world isn't how you thought.

Know those people who argue if a star destroyer could beat the enterprise?  Thats you.  Making up things in a made up world so your numbers make you the winner.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 09, 2023, 09:03:24 PM
I have done my own research.  And it is not showing what you say. 

You, however, don't even seem to know why you think what you do.  You just know "Vaccines bad" without having the understanding as to why.

Its very curious.

But tell me, why is it full of lies?  Is smallpox still a treat?  Polio?  Whooping cough?  Measels?
Or did these diseases just not exist?  Or weren't a problem?

I'm very happy for you that you did your own research (just like I imagine you did your own research regarding FE, yes?).

I understand more than you think, I'm simply not willing to share it on demand just for the sake of being attacked by you or any other vaxx cult member.

It's very obvious that's what your intent is. The only reason I'm replying to you is out of brief courtesy because you did help my research a bit in another thread. Granted, you did it for the wrong reasons, but oh well.
Oh I did.  You should see some of my early posts.  But I learned early on that it doesn't matter what you say, what proof you have or who gives it: you can't win them over.  Not even god could convice FEers that the earth is round.  Their minds started on that fact and work around it to make everything else fit.  And its such a cornerstone of their world view that removing it would he akin to plucking out your own eyes. 


As for my intent: my intent is to debate.  To argue.  I learned alot doing it.  Like the Hawaii thread: learned alot about satellite imagry. Odd you wanted something (satellite images) that don't exist on a flat earth but meh.

But you are no different than most others here: you have a belief but nothing holding it up.  Instead you build your view around that belief and explain away things that don't fit with pure imagination.  In the end, you're hallow.  Empty.  A shell of ideas and fantasy because you can't accept that the world isn't how you thought.

Know those people who argue if a star destroyer could beat the enterprise?  Thats you.  Making up things in a made up world so your numbers make you the winner.

Nope, that's you projecting.

You've been here long enough and this is the result. Nothing short of a mid-life crysis, me thinks.

You're already starting from a flawed premise which is that you're here to argue or debate while not realizing that arguments and debates are futile when it comes to discussing facts. You just have no epistemological basis for anything you believe other than you want to believe it, that's why you have to hold on to any arguments and explanations that suit said beliefs and reject anything that goes against them. It's the prototype of the close-minded autistic smartass know-it-all because he has Wikipedia, fact-checkers, etc. Total neckbeard!

Bye bye Mr. Dave. Take care.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 09, 2023, 10:09:38 PM
I have done my own research.  And it is not showing what you say. 

You, however, don't even seem to know why you think what you do.  You just know "Vaccines bad" without having the understanding as to why.

Its very curious.

But tell me, why is it full of lies?  Is smallpox still a treat?  Polio?  Whooping cough?  Measels?
Or did these diseases just not exist?  Or weren't a problem?

I'm very happy for you that you did your own research (just like I imagine you did your own research regarding FE, yes?).

I understand more than you think, I'm simply not willing to share it on demand just for the sake of being attacked by you or any other vaxx cult member.

It's very obvious that's what your intent is. The only reason I'm replying to you is out of brief courtesy because you did help my research a bit in another thread. Granted, you did it for the wrong reasons, but oh well.
Oh I did.  You should see some of my early posts.  But I learned early on that it doesn't matter what you say, what proof you have or who gives it: you can't win them over.  Not even god could convice FEers that the earth is round.  Their minds started on that fact and work around it to make everything else fit.  And its such a cornerstone of their world view that removing it would he akin to plucking out your own eyes. 


As for my intent: my intent is to debate.  To argue.  I learned alot doing it.  Like the Hawaii thread: learned alot about satellite imagry. Odd you wanted something (satellite images) that don't exist on a flat earth but meh.

But you are no different than most others here: you have a belief but nothing holding it up.  Instead you build your view around that belief and explain away things that don't fit with pure imagination.  In the end, you're hallow.  Empty.  A shell of ideas and fantasy because you can't accept that the world isn't how you thought.

Know those people who argue if a star destroyer could beat the enterprise?  Thats you.  Making up things in a made up world so your numbers make you the winner.

Nope, that's you projecting.

You've been here long enough and this is the result. Nothing short of a mid-life crysis, me thinks.

You're already starting from a flawed premise which is that you're here to argue or debate while not realizing that arguments and debates are futile when it comes to discussing facts. You just have no epistemological basis for anything you believe other than you want to believe it, that's why you have to hold on to any arguments and explanations that suit said beliefs and reject anything that goes against them. It's the prototype of the close-minded autistic smartass know-it-all because he has Wikipedia, fact-checkers, etc. Total neckbeard!

Bye bye Mr. Dave. Take care.
I'm sorry but I'm still waiting on your facts. 
I could post polio and smallpox numbers pre and post vaccine to prove they work but for some reason, you don't care.  You dismiss it without a second thought.  You can't even explain why you know vaccines do nothing or are intentionally made to harm. 
Perhaps I am projecting.  But then I'd expect you to put me to rest with more than your word or some youtuber who thinks a fire looks wierd because his gut tells him.  Or a known manipulator who made his career with edits and hypothetical questions kept off camera that would make a reality tv producer look like an ameature.

But you don't.  Just the same old  song and dance.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 09, 2023, 10:26:55 PM
I'm sorry but I'm still waiting on your facts. 
I could post polio and smallpox numbers pre and post vaccine to prove they work but for some reason, you don't care.  You dismiss it without a second thought.  You can't even explain why you know vaccines do nothing or are intentionally made to harm. 
Perhaps I am projecting.  But then I'd expect you to put me to rest with more than your word or some youtuber who thinks a fire looks wierd because his gut tells him.  Or a known manipulator who made his career with edits and hypothetical questions kept off camera that would make a reality tv producer look like an ameature.

But you don't.  Just the same old  song and dance.

It's not my job to personally explain anything to you. Especially because I know you're just gonna attempt to debunk anything I say or give some argument as to why I'm wrong.

I can post this nicely presented information for anyone interested, but you Dave are gonna have to take your amazing debunking arguments to the producing channel, because I personally don't care about them. I'm too old for that shit even though I'm still young (and healthy as fuck).  ;D

https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Toxicology-vs-Virology-Rockefeller-Institute-and-the-Criminal-Polio-Fraud:1 (https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Toxicology-vs-Virology-Rockefeller-Institute-and-the-Criminal-Polio-Fraud:1)
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2023, 05:14:59 AM
I'm sorry but I'm still waiting on your facts. 
I could post polio and smallpox numbers pre and post vaccine to prove they work but for some reason, you don't care.  You dismiss it without a second thought.  You can't even explain why you know vaccines do nothing or are intentionally made to harm. 
Perhaps I am projecting.  But then I'd expect you to put me to rest with more than your word or some youtuber who thinks a fire looks wierd because his gut tells him.  Or a known manipulator who made his career with edits and hypothetical questions kept off camera that would make a reality tv producer look like an ameature.

But you don't.  Just the same old  song and dance.

It's not my job to personally explain anything to you. Especially because I know you're just gonna attempt to debunk anything I say or give some argument as to why I'm wrong.
The truth doesn't mind being questioned.  A lie does.
Yes, I will try to debunk it.  That is literally the point of a debate.  The point of this forum.  What, don't like having to answer questions?  To defend your own beliefs?  Sounds like you need to find somewhere else to go.  Where no one questions you.  Where everyone agrees with you and you don't have to try to answer things you can't answer.


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I can post this nicely presented information for anyone interested, but you Dave are gonna have to take your amazing debunking arguments to the producing channel, because I personally don't care about them. I'm too old for that shit even though I'm still young (and healthy as fuck).  ;D

https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Toxicology-vs-Virology-Rockefeller-Institute-and-the-Criminal-Polio-Fraud:1 (https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Toxicology-vs-Virology-Rockefeller-Institute-and-the-Criminal-Polio-Fraud:1)
I'll look at it later.

Also: I'm too old for this shit too yet here I am, trying in vein to get answers from you.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 10, 2023, 09:10:39 AM
The truth doesn't mind being questioned.  A lie does.
Yes, I will try to debunk it.  That is literally the point of a debate.  The point of this forum.  What, don't like having to answer questions?  To defend your own beliefs?  Sounds like you need to find somewhere else to go.  Where no one questions you.  Where everyone agrees with you and you don't have to try to answer things you can't answer.

That sounds very nice but unfortunately for you I'm the last person on Earth who needs a safe space. I'm not always in the mood to deal with demanding belligerent zealots, that's all.

And, trying to debunk something is not the same as actually debunking it. I have debunked the belief that curvature has been measured many times and I even offered an experiment to measure it. Do globe believers care? Of course they don't. They insist that we live on a geometricall ball even though that geometry has never been demonstrated. Since you're one of those people, you know where you stand and you know where I stand. There's no debate because it's a fact.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2023, 09:37:28 AM
The truth doesn't mind being questioned.  A lie does.
Yes, I will try to debunk it.  That is literally the point of a debate.  The point of this forum.  What, don't like having to answer questions?  To defend your own beliefs?  Sounds like you need to find somewhere else to go.  Where no one questions you.  Where everyone agrees with you and you don't have to try to answer things you can't answer.

That sounds very nice but unfortunately for you I'm the last person on Earth who needs a safe space. I'm not always in the mood to deal with demanding belligerent zealots, that's all.
Everyone needs a safe place.  Its one of the basic psychological needs of animals.  If you don't need one, you're not mentally healthy. (By safe place I include shelter.  Like a home.)

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And, trying to debunk something is not the same as actually debunking it. I have debunked the belief that curvature has been measured many times and I even offered an experiment to measure it. Do globe believers care? Of course they don't. They insist that we live on a geometricall ball even though that geometry has never been demonstrated. Since you're one of those people, you know where you stand and you know where I stand. There's no debate because it's a fact.
And yet reality disagrees with your facts.  And did you perform this experiment or just thought it up and said: go do it yourself?

Also: A person isn't a zealot if they're right. :P
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 10, 2023, 10:26:59 AM
The truth doesn't mind being questioned.  A lie does.

It's funny that you said that because that video got censored by YouTube in 6 mins according to one of the commenters even though the video is 27 mins long. I wonder why it got censored? Why not leave it there if it's all made-up lies that can easily be debunked? Anyway, I look forward to seeing your amazing debunking comment on Odysee.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2023, 03:45:29 PM
The truth doesn't mind being questioned.  A lie does.

It's funny that you said that because that video got censored by YouTube in 6 mins according to one of the commenters even though the video is 27 mins long. I wonder why it got censored? Why not leave it there if it's all made-up lies that can easily be debunked? Anyway, I look forward to seeing your amazing debunking comment on Odysee.
I'm not gonna sign up for Odysee to comment.  Like I want them to scalp my info. :/

Anyway, it sounds like she's saying viruses don't exist.
Also, how did she know there were ground up flies and poop in the injections?  She obviously wasn't there and such information wouldn't be documented.  Is she just... assuming? (No, she's reading someone else's work.  She's a puppet.)

Anyway, this is a very biased video.  The host throws out history, ignores the rest of the world, and makes the claim that viruses, which have been imaged, don't exist.

No mention of how viruses were even discovered either, which you'd think would be important.  Nor that Virilology began decades before Rockefeller.  Or how the discovery of a virus was found when a diseased plant was filtered and strained yet still could infect another plant.  Concluding, therefore, that it was neither disease nor toxin.

Amazing that the work of Dmitri Iosifovich Ivanovsky wasn't even mentioned.  Again, she focused on America as though only Americans discovered viruses existed.  Its quite interesting.  Especially since she lives in New Zealand. 

She also must be making alot of money as she hasn't practiced medicine in several years.


Also the writer of this series sounds like you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._William_Engdahl


All in all, the doctor simply repeated what Engdahl wrote and what he wrote is very American centric and lacks supporting evidence.  Especially given how we have viewed viruses under a microscope since 1935.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 10, 2023, 04:15:13 PM
Already several personal attacks by you: "the writer of this series sounds like you" (lol), "she's a puppet" (lol), "she must be making a lot of money" (lol, sure, she does this for money) and "she hasn't practiced medicine in several years". Yeah, that's the price you pay for telling the truth these days. I thought you said truth doesn't mind being questioned? Why does the mainstream need to destroy careers of medical professionals, microbiologists, etc. who question virology? And why does it shut down academic discussion and censors science it doesn't like? Can you please explain?

Anyway, it's not a debate. Virology has long been debunked and right now all that stands next to the pile of bodies that virology has claimed is a pile of lies and misundertandings and dogma. Oh, and a big pile of money, of course - but you don't get none of that.

She has talked about about Ivanovsky and the "tobacco virus" in a previous video, so you are wrong. In fact she has many videos about virology and vaxx and they're all great. An amazing channel for anyone who cares about the truth (aka not you). Keep squiiiirming.

https://youtu.be/0G3JbbaGhqc
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 10, 2023, 05:52:44 PM
All in all, the doctor simply repeated what Engdahl wrote and what he wrote is very American centric and lacks supporting evidence.

This is some funny shit considering that the entire point of questioning virology is to bring to the front the fact that it lacks supporting evidence (from day 1 lol) and is therefore pseudoscience, and also funny that focusing on America is a complain considering the fact that Rockefeller played a crucial role in establishing said pseudoscience in the mainstream and considering America's power & influence.

Anyway, keep the laughs coming, Dave.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: ichoosereality on October 10, 2023, 06:04:08 PM
... And why does it shut down academic discussion and censors science it doesn't like? Can you please explain? ...
At the risk of stating the overwhelmingly obvious, if what you claim of science were true the scientific view of life the universe and everything would never change, let alone change radically as it has done over the past couple of 100 years.  So there must be some other reason that folks like anti-vaxers or flat-earthers can only self publish on forums like youtube to be taken up by the lay public and can not manage to get published in peer reviewed science journals.  Obviously they simply do not have the data to support their claims and/or are ignoring the data that disproves their claims and/or  are making other similar fundamental mistakes in their methodology.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2023, 06:21:30 PM
Already several personal attacks by you: "the writer of this series sounds like you" (lol)
Wait wait wait... you feel thats a personal attack?!  Why?  Is it not flattering?  Do you think I'm comparing you to a crazy person?  I assumed you'd be proud to be compared to someone you agree with.

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, "she's a puppet" (lol),
What would you call someone who monologues another person's writings for the viewing pleasure of others while (oddly) getting credit for the words?

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"she must be making a lot of money" (lol, sure, she does this for money) and "she hasn't practiced medicine in several years". Yeah, that's the price you pay for telling the truth these days. I thought you said truth doesn't mind being questioned? Why does the mainstream need to destroy careers of medical professionals, microbiologists, etc. who question virology? And why does it shut down academic discussion and censors science it doesn't like? Can you please explain?
Buuuttt she stopped practicing before she was disciplined.  And its not even clear she had any reprecussions as the tribunal was not sure how to handle a doctor who did youtube videos outside of her medical capacity.  She still holds, as far as I know, a doctorate degree as a General Practicioner.
As for money, well, yeah.  How do you think she survives?  Sunlight and morning dew?  She also wrote a book, which I'm guessing she is taking money from.  Unless she's donating it or something.


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Anyway, it's not a debate. Virology has long been debunked and right now all that stands next to the pile of bodies that virology has claimed is a pile of lies and misundertandings and dogma. Oh, and a big pile of money, of course - but you don't get none of that.

She has talked about about Ivanovsky and the "tobacco virus" in a previous video, so you are wrong. In fact she has many videos about virology and vaxx and they're all great. An amazing channel for anyone who cares about the truth (aka not you). Keep squiiiirming.

https://youtu.be/0G3JbbaGhqc
I meant in that video, specifically, but given she didn't write it, its not surprising it wasn't mentioned.

Honestly, your a contradictory person.  On one hand, you dismiss a virus because its invisible and can't be seen with the eyes.  On the other hand you embrace a fire created by an invisible beam of energy as the only explination.  Quite intriguing.

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Wow, she is a really bad scientist if wrapping a leaf a little is too many variables. XD
The control is easy: do the same thing and prepare the same salv but from a healthy plant.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Dual1ty on October 10, 2023, 06:37:01 PM
Yes, clearly you soundly debunked those two videos, Dave. Well done.

Alright, go get some sleep now before the baby wakes you because he hurts from the vaxx.
Title: Re: Died Suddenly
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2023, 08:07:06 PM
Yes, clearly you soundly debunked those two videos, Dave. Well done.

Alright, go get some sleep now before the baby wakes you because he hurts from the vaxx.
Sorry but its hard to debunk nothing.


Example:
Microwaves don't exist.  That entire part of the spectrum is a lie, purpetrated by the kitchen appliance conglomerate to make people less averse with nuclear power.  The so called "microwave" ovens really just use hot air to heat food.  And they say 'don't open it while its on' to ensure their ruse is not discovered.