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Re: Cancer is easily cured with common grocery store items
« Reply #60 on: November 23, 2016, 11:28:14 AM »
I doubt garlic would cure any form of cancer, but it may help a little in preventing you from getting it in the first place.
Probably not that either, no.

Well, garlic is known to be a stimulant for the immune system. And cancerous cells are fought off by our immune systems, to a lesser or higher degree depending on the person. Immunotherapy for cancer is just now becoming a thing, so Tom may not be far off the mark. I would definitely not advise not going to the doctor, but loading your body up with healthy foods certainly wouldn't hurt.

Re: Cancer is easily cured with common grocery store items
« Reply #61 on: November 23, 2016, 03:39:12 PM »
I doubt garlic would cure any form of cancer, but it may help a little in preventing you from getting it in the first place.
Probably not that either, no.

Well, garlic is known to be a stimulant for the immune system. And cancerous cells are fought off by our immune systems, to a lesser or higher degree depending on the person. Immunotherapy for cancer is just now becoming a thing, so Tom may not be far off the mark. I would definitely not advise not going to the doctor, but loading your body up with healthy foods certainly wouldn't hurt.
I agree, but that has nothing to do with garlic healing effects on cancer. It's a very general thing, eat healthy, stay healthy. Regardless, garlic is not a cure for cancer, and this anti-medicine propaganda is ridiculously apathic in nature.
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Re: Cancer is easily cured with common grocery store items
« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2016, 11:42:20 PM »
I doubt garlic would cure any form of cancer, but it may help a little in preventing you from getting it in the first place.
Probably not that either, no.

Well, garlic is known to be a stimulant for the immune system. And cancerous cells are fought off by our immune systems, to a lesser or higher degree depending on the person. Immunotherapy for cancer is just now becoming a thing, so Tom may not be far off the mark. I would definitely not advise not going to the doctor, but loading your body up with healthy foods certainly wouldn't hurt.
I agree, but that has nothing to do with garlic healing effects on cancer. It's a very general thing, eat healthy, stay healthy. Regardless, garlic is not a cure for cancer, and this anti-medicine propaganda is ridiculously apathic in nature.

Do you have any evidence to support these outlandish claims?

Re: Cancer is easily cured with common grocery store items
« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2016, 06:49:39 AM »
I doubt garlic would cure any form of cancer, but it may help a little in preventing you from getting it in the first place.
Probably not that either, no.

Well, garlic is known to be a stimulant for the immune system. And cancerous cells are fought off by our immune systems, to a lesser or higher degree depending on the person. Immunotherapy for cancer is just now becoming a thing, so Tom may not be far off the mark. I would definitely not advise not going to the doctor, but loading your body up with healthy foods certainly wouldn't hurt.
I agree, but that has nothing to do with garlic healing effects on cancer. It's a very general thing, eat healthy, stay healthy. Regardless, garlic is not a cure for cancer, and this anti-medicine propaganda is ridiculously apathic in nature.

Do you have any evidence to support these outlandish claims?
I'm sorry, but is there a quick-insert button for that particular reply?
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Re: Cancer is easily cured with common grocery store items
« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2016, 02:27:09 PM »




Well, garlic is known to be a stimulant for the immune system. And cancerous cells are fought off by our immune systems, to a lesser or higher degree depending on the person.


Do you have any evidence to support these outlandish claims?
I'm sorry, but is there a quick-insert button for that particular reply?

Two things;
Garlic may give a boost to the immune system but the immune system is geared to recognise antigens from invaders (fungi, viruses, parasites etc.), cancer cells being rogue “you” cells are not as a rule recognised as the enemy, hence the problem, hence if that is what Garlic does, it would be ineffective.

As for the quick insert button, there must be one marked  “In case of tricky question”  which will give randomly either the one above, Irrelevant or “have you read the wiki” .
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Re: Cancer is easily cured with common grocery store items
« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2016, 01:04:28 AM »
People who actually have cancer are sick for more reasons than what is caused by the physical presence of the tumor. People with cancer are very sick, in lots of different ways. Their immune system is compromised. The thing that is supposed to kill the cancer and keep you healthy is not working. There isn't anyone in prime health who happen to have these "mutated cells".

It is pretty simple to see that people with a healthy immune system would not get cancer, and natural medicines that improve the immune system can also reverse cancer.

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« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2016, 07:43:51 AM »



It is pretty simple to see that people with a healthy immune system would not get cancer, and natural medicines that improve the immune system can also reverse cancer.

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« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2016, 06:35:10 PM »



It is pretty simple to see that people with a healthy immune system would not get cancer, and natural medicines that improve the immune system can also reverse cancer.

[Citation needed]

http://www.diagnose-me.com/symptoms-of/weakened-immune-system.php

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Our immune system is how we fight off infections, germs and cancer.  Sometimes the immune system does not work properly, as with immunodeficiency disorders.  These people are extremely susceptible to infection and cancer.

Diagnosis is vital as impaired immune response can pose serious threats to health.  With the increasing resistance of pathogens to current antibiotics and anti-fungal medications, the impact of a weak immune system has taken on added significance.  Likewise, the daily immune challenges in the face of a more environmentally toxic world have intensified the need for maintaining optimal immune function.

The immune system is highly complex and important to our well-being.  A strong and balanced immune system is required for health maintenance.  Using natural agents, it is possible to help restore an immune system imbalance or weakness.

The immune system is composed of many interdependent cell types that collectively protect the body from bacterial, parasitic, fungal and viral infections, as well as from the growth of tumor cells.  Many of these cell types have specialized functions.  The cells of the immune system can engulf bacteria, kill parasites or tumor cells, or kill virus-infected cells.  These cells often depend on the T-helper subset for activation signals in the form of secretions formally known as cytokines, lymphokines, or more specifically interleukins.

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Re: Cancer is easily cured with common grocery store items
« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2016, 06:43:03 PM »
Only sometimes, Tom, will cancer get attacked by the immune system.  But if the cancer cells are similar enough to the original that they pass as "part of the body" then it won't be read as a foreign containment and thus not attacked.
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« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2016, 07:25:25 PM »
Only sometimes, Tom, will cancer get attacked by the immune system.  But if the cancer cells are similar enough to the original that they pass as "part of the body" then it won't be read as a foreign containment and thus not attacked.

That's called an immunodeficiency disorder, and is an immune system problem.

Everyone with cancer has a malfunctioning or compromised immune system. Everyone. Lethal cancers undetectable to the body would have been weeded out of life by natural processes of evolution eons before humans were human.

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« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2016, 08:57:07 PM »
Only sometimes, Tom, will cancer get attacked by the immune system.  But if the cancer cells are similar enough to the original that they pass as "part of the body" then it won't be read as a foreign containment and thus not attacked.

That's called an immunodeficiency disorder, and is an immune system problem.

Everyone with cancer has a malfunctioning or compromised immune system. Everyone. Lethal cancers undetectable to the body would have been weeded out of life by natural processes of evolution eons before humans were human.


O.o
So... I guess humans never have mutations or diseases that kill them cause evolution.
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« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2016, 09:06:45 PM »
Only sometimes, Tom, will cancer get attacked by the immune system.  But if the cancer cells are similar enough to the original that they pass as "part of the body" then it won't be read as a foreign containment and thus not attacked.

That's called an immunodeficiency disorder, and is an immune system problem.

Everyone with cancer has a malfunctioning or compromised immune system. Everyone. Lethal cancers undetectable to the body would have been weeded out of life by natural processes of evolution eons before humans were human.

Not so Tom. Cancer with a few notable exeptions are late onset diseases,  the diseases of this type are not selected out as they typically appear after we have bred.
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« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2016, 01:35:44 AM »
Only sometimes, Tom, will cancer get attacked by the immune system.  But if the cancer cells are similar enough to the original that they pass as "part of the body" then it won't be read as a foreign containment and thus not attacked.

That's called an immunodeficiency disorder, and is an immune system problem.

Everyone with cancer has a malfunctioning or compromised immune system. Everyone. Lethal cancers undetectable to the body would have been weeded out of life by natural processes of evolution eons before humans were human.


O.o
So... I guess humans never have mutations or diseases that kill them cause evolution.

Before the advent of petrochemicals, there was very few mortal diseases. People were relatively healthy and a doctors could spend his entire career without seeing a cancer case. The types of diseases back then were typically non-fatal.

Not so Tom. Cancer with a few notable exeptions are late onset diseases,  the diseases of this type are not selected out as they typically appear after we have bred.

Men are fertile their entire lives. Why would evolution consider a 20 year old man any different than a 50 year old man when each of them have the potential to create life?

Cancer as a late onset disease can simply mean that our immune system breaks down and gets congested by our polluted environment over time, and is eventually compromised.

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Re: Cancer is easily cured with common grocery store items
« Reply #73 on: December 07, 2016, 02:33:03 AM »

Before the advent of petrochemicals, there was very few mortal diseases. People were relatively healthy and a doctors could spend his entire career without seeing a cancer case. The types of diseases back then were typically non-fatal.

Hmm. You seem to have a completely different version of history. The implication that cancer is a relatively recent disease is something I believe is probably true. The rest of your statement is nonsense. IMHO.
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« Reply #74 on: December 07, 2016, 03:16:43 AM »

Before the advent of petrochemicals, there was very few mortal diseases. People were relatively healthy and a doctors could spend his entire career without seeing a cancer case. The types of diseases back then were typically non-fatal.

Hmm. You seem to have a completely different version of history. The implication that cancer is a relatively recent disease is something I believe is probably true. The rest of your statement is nonsense. IMHO.

There are Ancient Egyptian Papyri that describe procedures for dealing with breast tumors.

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« Reply #75 on: December 07, 2016, 08:43:04 AM »


Men are fertile their entire lives. Why would evolution consider a 20 year old man any different than a 50 year old man when each of them have the potential to create life?



Missing the point Tom!
Evolution isn't a quango that decides, it's a mechanism that works through simple rules, your genes get passed on through your offspring, if something kills you before you either have children or before those children are old enough to fend for themselves, then it simply isn't passed on to another generation. The moment you have a child that survives you, whatever genes you have good or bad get back into the pool. That is why you degenerate/are not perfect, that is why fast breeding organisms are not long lived, it's simple Tom.
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« Reply #76 on: December 07, 2016, 01:04:08 PM »

Before the advent of petrochemicals, there was very few mortal diseases. People were relatively healthy and a doctors could spend his entire career without seeing a cancer case. The types of diseases back then were typically non-fatal.

Hmm. You seem to have a completely different version of history. The implication that cancer is a relatively recent disease is something I believe is probably true. The rest of your statement is nonsense. IMHO.

People had much healthier immune systems before the advent of petrochemicals (which are in everything from cosmetics, to food, to the air itself). Unless they were working in a mine or something, people didn't get diseases like cancer or leukemia. Those diseases are the last stage of a compromised immune system.

There weren't diseases like AIDS that went around killing people en masse. AIDS is relatively recent and affects people with comprimised immune systems. Consider that after being infected with HIV the AIDS disease does not manifest until the immune system has been degraded to a certain point:

http://www.everydayhealth.com/hiv-aids/can-you-prevent-aids-when-you-have-hiv.aspx

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Without treatment, around 50 percent of all HIV-positive individuals typically develop AIDS within 10 years. About 75 percent of people with HIV develop AIDS within 15 years. But about 10 percent of HIV-positive individuals are considered "long survivors," which means that their infection is stable and that their immune function hasn't steadily declined.

Having a good immune system (10 percent of the today's population in today's dirty environment) means that you don't get AIDS. You may carry HIV, sure, but you also carry antibodies and little pieces of the countless diseases your immune system has also defeated and suppressed.

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« Reply #77 on: December 07, 2016, 01:12:27 PM »
The fact that 10 percent of people who contract HIV don't get AIDS basically demonstrates the all-powerful nature of the immune system.

After billions of years of evolution and uncountable virus generations, often measured in minutes, don't you think that the body should know by now what a virus is? Does it not follow that all of the possible tricks have been played out by now?

Viruses evolved together with life. There are only so many chemicals and tactics a sneaky virus can use. Life sees it and defeats it and creates a genetic memory. It's pretty unlikely that after a virus can overwhelm a healthy immune system.

Even Ebola only has a mortality rate of 50% (on average). Ebola! How can this be? Do these African doctors have some kind of advanced medicine that we don't know about? No. It was defeated by the immune system. The people in Africa are around less modernalities and have healthier immune systems than we do. The mortality rate is lower in modernized countries like Liberia and Nigeria and higher in less modernized countries like Ginuea. Take away Africa's pesticides and cosmetics and air pollution and it is clear that the survival rate would shoot way, way up.

So you tell me, if the health of the immune system has nothing to do with diseases like Ebola, why are there so many survivors?
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« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2016, 02:28:55 PM »
The fact that 10 percent of people who contract HIV don't get AIDS basically demonstrates the all-powerful nature of the immune system.

The immune system is impressive, but this is a taaaaad hyperbolic.

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After billions of years of evolution and uncountable virus generations, often measured in minutes, don't you think that the body should know by now what a virus is? Does it not follow that all of the possible tricks have been played out by now?

No it doesn't. Knowing what a virus is and combatting it are two different things. Viruses also evolve and grow more resilient or subtle, they change tactics, etc...

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Viruses evolved together with life. There are only so many chemicals and tactics a sneaky virus can use. Life sees it and defeats it and creates a genetic memory. It's pretty unlikely that after a virus can overwhelm a healthy immune system.

Malaria has been killing people for thousands of years without any prevalent immunity arising. There was no immunity before the industrial revolution and mortality rates have only gone down with the advent of modern medicine. Ditto for small pox, polio, etc...

The human body has neither infinite capacity nor resources. You must admit that there is an upper limit to its capacity to fight off invaders and if there is then there is something that conceivably could exploit this.

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Even Ebola only has a mortality rate of 50% (on average). Ebola! How can this be? Do these African doctors have some kind of advanced medicine that we don't know about? No. It was defeated by the immune system. The people in Africa are around less modernalities and have healthier immune systems than we do. The mortality rate is lower in modernized countries like Liberia and Nigeria and higher in less modernized countries like Ginuea. Take away Africa's pesticides and cosmetics and air pollution and it is clear that the survival rate would shoot way, way up.

This is not in dispute, but it does not follow then that a country that has modern medicine and sanitation and also somehow completely eliminates pollution will not have disease.

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So you tell me, if the health of the immune system has nothing to do with diseases like Ebola, why are there so many survivors?

Has anyone claimed this?

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« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2016, 04:49:11 PM »
Actually Malaria, mainly affects children:

http://www.who.int/malaria/areas/high_risk_groups/children/en/

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Children under 5 years of age are one of most vulnerable groups affected by malaria. There were an estimated 438 000 malaria deaths around the world in 2015, of which approximately 69% were in children under 5 years of age.

Why is this so? Shouldn't malaria affect everyone if this virus really knows how to kill people, healthy immune system or not? This is pretty perplexing if your theory is correct.

The answer is simply because adults have stronger and healthier immune systems than children under 5.