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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 30, 2021, 01:18:56 PM »

Now you have switched from talking about an annual time frame to running weekly averages for…. no apparent reason. Combined with your blind rage and desire to simply vent your sadness on me, I will walk away now. Get well.

You presented a running weekly average in comparison to a single day statistical outlier in order to justify your claim of a five-fold increase in deaths in NYC. You also used the word, "massive."

I'd say "massive" is appropriate...

Yeah. I second that.

^stack doesn't even provide a source for his first chart.

Roundy eats it up like pablum.

You are both promulgating a lie, making both of you LIARS.

I will never forgive nor forget.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 30, 2021, 11:54:02 AM »

Now you have switched from talking about an annual time frame to running weekly averages for…. no apparent reason. Combined with your blind rage and desire to simply vent your sadness on me, I will walk away now. Get well.

You presented a running weekly average in comparison to a single day statistical outlier in order to justify your claim of a five-fold increase in deaths in NYC. You also used the word, "massive."

One more time. There was no five-fold increase.

MSM lied, and you promulgated it, making you -

A LIAR.

I doubt you will ever walk away from anything, but one can maintain hope.

I will never forgive or forget.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 30, 2021, 10:18:29 AM »

No, there wasn't.

The classic “nuh-uh!”  My son gets me with that all the time.

Comparing a running weekly average to a single day statistical outlier  = No, there wasn't.

You provided dishonest journalism, which is your favorite source of course.

You disliking what they report is not the same as dishonesty.

Pointing out the dishonesty is what I did.

You never mentioned any time frame during the initial claim you made regarding a five-fold increase because you knew the comparison of the average of several weeks worth of numbers to a single weekly high is a bullshit method of statistical reporting.

I absolutely did mention a timeline. Once again letting your feelings cloud your judgement.

The "first months." LOL! As I have demonstrated, no timeline.

As I have demonstrated, a running weekly average compared to a single day statistical outlier is just the typical BS you love.

That’s I'm pretty and very dishonest.

Fixed that for you.

I’m flattered that you think I’m pretty, but I’ve already withdrawn consent to be involved in your kink. Please stop.

Actually, I was writing what you think of yourself.

My opinion is the exact opposite.

Except the dishonest part, which you are.

Can’t you just accept that there was a serious uptick in deaths in the opening months of the pandemic in NYC?  Why is that so difficult?

Because, as shown here, the methods of accounting for deaths is both dishonest and patently wrong.

I’ve never said those numbers were completely accurate, however it’s undeniable by reasonable people that there was a huge surge in deaths that correlated with a huge surge of COVID cases. I suppose your narrative of blaming the world for your personal tragedy requires this to be false and that’s just heaping tragedy on top of tragedy.

You, and people like you, are responsible.

I'll never forget or forgive.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Branson to go only 55 miles up !

« on: July 29, 2021, 12:17:02 PM »

I believe it to be roughly the same length because it appears to be the same length.

but you would agree, surely, that regardless of whether the scene is curved or flat, that things further from the camera appear proportionally smaller than those near to it?

A surface length of X km close to camera occupies more of the field of view than a similar X km far from the camera?

Example using height difference rather than length on the surface;

Well, you gave an FOV in your original submission, stating why water couldn't be seen.

How large a radius did that reflect?

That will tell you whether or not the chord is 150km.

Or are you just going to forget you wrote that?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 29, 2021, 11:55:28 AM »

Rama started out by using only the words, mass graves," implying they were all covid deaths.

I implied nothing of the sort. I was implying there was a massive increase in people dying in NYC which coincided with the first, unexpected wave of COVID hospitalizations. Of course all those bodies weren’t from COVID, only an idiot would think that. But a bunch of them were.

Yeah, you did. Any person reading what you write concerning this subject would be impressed as to that being  your meaning.
And the "multitude," of dead bodies you claim here is just more sensationalistic opining.

The funeral homes and morgues were so overwhelmed by the influx of dead bodies, that FEMA brought in refrigerator trucks to store the dead. It’s more than just sensationalism, in the opening months in NYC a lot of people died. A massive increase in deaths that coincided with the massive surge of COVID cases. The doctors and nurses have us the daily reports and none of them mentioned “another person dying from lack of elective surgery”.

Just as they brought in a 1500 bed medical ship to dock in the Harbor and didn't use it.

More theatrics.

Doctors and nurses, working for "for profit," hospitals, will ensure the influx of federal money to their corporate overlords, by promoting the COVID death toll to ever higher numbers, ensuring a healthy bottom line.

Your trolling efforts here are weak and ineffective.

Hart Island is where New York buries its unclaimed dead.

Would not surprise me in the least to find out that many of those buried went unclaimed last year on purpose due to the economy being shut down. Funerals are very expensive and people probably just kept their mouth shut.

A fascinating hypothesis. Please bring our attention back to it when you have evidence.

When you cannot afford to bury the dead, a potter's grave is the place.

Only a troll would demand evidence for this commonly known fact.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 29, 2021, 11:51:31 AM »

During the outbreak in NYC there was a fivefold increase.

No, there wasn't. 

I provided a source too.

You provided dishonest journalism, which is your favorite source of course.

You decided to impose a different time frame than what I referred to on the conversation.

You never mentioned any time frame during the initial claim you made regarding a five-fold increase because you knew the comparison of the average of several weeks worth of numbers to a single weekly high is a bullshit method of statistical reporting.

That’s I'm pretty and very dishonest.

Fixed that for you.

Can’t you just accept that there was a serious uptick in deaths in the opening months of the pandemic in NYC?  Why is that so difficult?

Because, as shown here, the methods of accounting for deaths is both dishonest and patently wrong.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 29, 2021, 10:16:21 AM »

But.... those 2,334 were not all Covid victims.  They were just dead people.  At one point, they just needed to get any dead person in the ground as they had too many.  Morgues were full.  Trucks were full.  The offices that track random dead people to find out who they were and next of kin was overworked.

So why would you try to compare the number buried on Hart island to covid escelation?  While the two have a correlation, its not a direct one as some family claimed bodies quickly or they died in other parts of the state or what-have you.

Look to your bosom pal Rama as to why he offered it up.

It seems you disagree with him.

Rama started out by using only the words, mass graves," implying they were all covid deaths.

And the "multitude," of dead bodies you claim here is just more sensationalistic opining

Hart Island is where New York buries its unclaimed dead.

Would not surprise me in the least to find out that many of those buried went unclaimed last year on purpose due to the economy being shut down. Funerals are very expensive and people probably just kept their mouth shut.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 29, 2021, 10:11:30 AM »

25 burials/week to 120/week during the outbreak.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/hart-island-mass-graves-coronavirus-new-york/2020/04/16/a0c413ee-7f5f-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html

Apology accepted.

Apology declined and rejected.

Posting a high number compared to an average (growing from an average of 25 per week to 120 at its highest) like the Washington POS newspaper did, and like you are trying to foist as legitimate, doesn't cut the mustard and is typical of the shitbag style of argumentation you normally engage in.

2,334 were buried there in 2020, compared to 846 the prior year.

I don't know how 846 times 5 = 2334, but I am positive your excellent math skills can clue everyone in as to how to do it.

This was during the outbreak in NYC, as I said.  The numbers you cite are entirely consistent with a massive outbreak that subsequently tapers off.  That one short period caused the number to triple from the prior year, you conveniently ignore that.  It's too bad you have to engage in a host of bad faith fallacies to try and squeeze your narrative in to a box you find palatable.

Who was the one who stated it increased five-fold?

The only palatable boxes being offered up (and how you find twisting numbers to be palatable, I have no clue, but it is your typical BS way, so you must love it) is by you.

You can continue with your BS, but do not be surprised when you are called out for it.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Branson to go only 55 miles up !

« on: July 28, 2021, 05:53:10 PM »

The red line you have drawn is what I am referring to.

I believe the red line you drew is roughly the same length as the distance between A-C.

Can you tell us why? Have you identified any features or landmarks which would show the distance on the surface?

I think I have a few reference points, but I'm not complete on it. Later.

I believe it to be roughly the same length because it appears to be the same length.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 28, 2021, 05:51:05 PM »

25 burials/week to 120/week during the outbreak.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/hart-island-mass-graves-coronavirus-new-york/2020/04/16/a0c413ee-7f5f-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html

Apology accepted.

Apology declined and rejected.

Posting a high number compared to an average (growing from an average of 25 per week to 120 at its highest) like the Washington POS newspaper did, and like you are trying to foist as legitimate, doesn't cut the mustard and is typical of the shitbag style of argumentation you normally engage in.

2,334 were buried there in 2020, compared to 846 the prior year.

I don't know how 846 times 5 = 2334, but I am positive your excellent math skills can clue everyone in as to how to do it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 28, 2021, 04:43:25 PM »

So no evidence. Thanks for clarifying.

There is no evidence of mass graves for Covid victims in New York.

"The mayor stressed that even the most recent burials on the island are not necessarily always related to the pandemic."

Those graves were for prisoners and unclaimed bodies.

Those graves saw a fivefold increase in burials in the months after the pandemic started. Surely. SURELY a coincidence.

Number One - Just like MSM, you are implying the graves were dug to bury those who died of Covid. They were not graves dug to bury people who died of Covid.

Two, the gravesite where the unclaimed dead are buried is on Hart Island. It has been in use for over 150 years.

Three, a fivefold increase = what specific number?

Go ahead, clearly and legibly type that number here and shock the bejesus out of everybody reading the thread.

I dare you. Write that number for all to see.

Betcha can't.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 28, 2021, 03:59:39 PM »

So no evidence. Thanks for clarifying.

There is no evidence of mass graves for Covid victims in New York.

"The mayor stressed that even the most recent burials on the island are not necessarily always related to the pandemic."

Those graves were for prisoners and unclaimed bodies.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Branson to go only 55 miles up !

« on: July 28, 2021, 03:53:46 PM »

I am stating that if the distance you claim for A-C is 150km, the distance for the chord that could be drawn for intersecting the surface below the arc depicted in the picture would be approximately the same distance, rendering your analysis faulty.

Are you talking about the chord below the arc you described across the picture, like this;



... or the chord below my line A-C?

The red line you have drawn is what I am referring to.

I did not see a chord you drew for A-C.

I believe the red line you drew is roughly the same length as the distance between A-C.

If it is, I believe that renders your analysis faulty.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 28, 2021, 03:52:12 PM »

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

What outlandish claim?

"Those mass graves were for incarcerated prisoners." (implying they weren't for COVID victims)

The mass grave story in New York was manufactured by MSM.

The photo accompanying that story was of the back of a semi trailer which was at the grave site and was taken in the late 1990's, at the grave site designed to service Riker's Island.

No mass graves were dug for Covid victims in New York.

Yes, this is the outlandish claim. Rama didn't ask for clarification, or more detail, he asked for evidence. Do you have it?

The outlandish claim was made by MSM when they published the photo of the semi-trailer and body bags, making an attempt to state the picture depicted mass grave burials made for Covid victims.

The story of mass graves in New York due to Covid victims is false.

It was debunked then and it remains debunked.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 28, 2021, 01:58:16 PM »

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

What outlandish claim?

"Those mass graves were for incarcerated prisoners." (implying they weren't for COVID victims)

The mass grave story in New York was manufactured by MSM.

The photo accompanying that story was of the back of a semi trailer which was at the grave site and was taken in the late 1990's, at the grave site designed to service Riker's Island.

No mass graves were dug for Covid victims in New York.

Stupid, inane trump bs.

Aren't you lost, little boy?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 28, 2021, 01:07:11 PM »

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

What outlandish claim?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 28, 2021, 11:54:38 AM »

Well,  graves are dug so that dead bodies can be deposited underground. In this case, “mass” doesn’t refer to the amount of matter measured in kilograms (stop me if it gets too technical for you) but rather because the grave is meant to contain a multitude of corpses.

If you wish to learn more about how long humans have been burying humans en masse (that’s French, sorry if that’s too much), I suggest browsing this page for a quick primer.

^Brings up the subject about Mass Graves in New York.

Asked to provide the real reason of what said mass grave was actually for (Nothing to do with Covid, by the way).

Provides the above response instead.

Those mass graves were for incarcerated prisoners.

ICU's were not over capacity.

It was the internet bots reporting overcapacity that were actively at work.
 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 28, 2021, 11:35:56 AM »

Action “Public Health Expert” 69

Obviously analyzing any decision with 20/20 hindsight is idiotic, especially with the chaos in NYC in the first months. Remember, there were mass graves being dug there and ICUs that were taxed way beyond capacity.

Hopefully, the actual experts will learn from this and develop improved policies and responses.

Why don't you tell us all why the "mass graves," were being dug and for how long that process has been in place?

Jesus, you too, another one of the foisters of the lie.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Branson to go only 55 miles up !

« on: July 28, 2021, 10:56:10 AM »

So, you are claiming the arc I described is 150 km of the sphere, forming a 20 - 25 degree portion of the entire globe?

No, I'm showing the approx size of the spherical cap in total is 20-25 degrees, as I said, casually ESTIMATED from the images, but as I edited above, calculating it results in approx 12 degrees.

I have not assessed the arc you described. What landmarks do you see that would help us in this respect? Do you agree with the landmarks I have shown, and the approximate distances between them?

I am stating that if the distance you claim for A-C is 150km, the distance for the chord that could be drawn for intersecting the surface below the arc depicted in the picture would be approximately the same distance, rendering your analysis faulty.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 28, 2021, 10:38:27 AM »

But this was clearly a situation which demanded a response.

Yes, the proper response would have been to not count a death as a covid death just because of the presence of covid and for all of the morons to shutter themselves in their own homes of their own free will and accord.