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Flat Earth Theory / Re: High tide(s)
« on: October 01, 2017, 09:28:36 PM »
More God talk
Look, this has even less explanatory power than the wiki, and that's saying a lot.
I had a chuckle seeing you use scarequotes when describing yourself as a thinker, though.  ;D
NEXT!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: High tide(s)
« on: October 01, 2017, 08:37:08 PM »
More OT god talk
Look, either you have something relevant to the question to say or you're wasting everyone's time.
Everyday my municipality predicts the timing of the tides. And they are right. That alone disproves everything you've been blabbing about so far, so either provide an explanation or go pester someone else in the debate forum. Where's junker when he's needed?  :P

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: High tide(s)
« on: October 01, 2017, 04:19:23 PM »

Which beside being a statement rife with problems of various nature has zero explanatory power.

Can I save this for future use?
Be my guest ;D

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: High tide(s)
« on: October 01, 2017, 04:18:18 PM »

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: High tide(s)
« on: October 01, 2017, 01:51:15 PM »
God does it
Thanks for the contribution. It's a possibility.
There's a catch, though. My municipality has a service predicting the tides (it's important around here) and it's very precise. It's not a church though, so I don't think they are in contact with the almighty. Do you happen to know *how* God does it? ;D
most likely the same way he creates an electrical current in your body that surrounds your heart causing it to contract (pump) 2.5 BILLION times in your life. Did your crew figure that one out?
I don't know, I can check with a cardiologist, if you want. What does this have to do with the OP?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: High tide(s)
« on: October 01, 2017, 01:17:13 PM »
God does it
Thanks for the contribution. It's a possibility.
There's a catch, though. My municipality has a service predicting the tides (it's important around here) and it's very precise. It's not a church though, so I don't think they are in contact with the almighty. Do you happen to know *how* God does it? ;D

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Flat Earth Theory / High tide(s)
« on: September 30, 2017, 09:42:55 PM »
Apologies in advance for asking a question that has already been posed, but from a search in the upper fora I couldn't find a detailed answer. Threads kinda went all over the place.

What is the FE model for how tides work?

Today in my area the high tide was shortly before 10:00 AM, and the second high was shortly past 9:00 PM. The second was the less intense of the two. I can give other details if needed.

The wiki has this to say:
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Celestial Gravitation is a part of some Flat Earth models which involve an attraction by all objects of mass on earth to the heavenly bodies. This is not the same as Gravity, since Celestial Gravitation does not imply an attraction between objects of mass on Earth. Celestial Gravitation accounts for tides and other gravimetric anomalies across the Earth's plane.
Which beside being a statement rife with problems of various nature has zero explanatory power.

I would love for some FEr to expand a bit on the concept, maybe explain what is causing the timing I gave, and I'm preemptively asking 3Dgeek et al to please NOT chime in to explain how tides work in a RE model (I don't know in detail and don't care), or how they think the FES thinks they work. This is a honest question which I'd like to see answered and not an invitation for a debate / derailing / general crapshooting

Thanks, cheers

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is it just earth that is flat?
« on: September 30, 2017, 08:55:02 PM »
Tom, you keep bringing up your magic perspective. There are several threads in the debate section in which it has been taken to task, because it's ludicrous. It would show good faith to answer those objections before continuing using it. Considering how perspective works in the real world, the explanation above is gobbledygook

The thread where I got those quotes from was not responded to. If no one responds to me I win, right? Why not respond to my winning argument?
that's not correct, you kept ignoring the answers, and kept stating without reasons that perspective should somehow be different when stuff is far away.
You say this everytime, by the way, and never motivate it. As I already asked time and again in a thread precisely about perspective you've apparently run away from (did you lose, there?):

Perspective is a consequence of how our vision works.

It's based on 3 assumptions:
A) we (and cameras) perceive the world by means of light being emitted or reflected by objects.
B) light travels in straight lines.
C) the actual positions of the objects and observer are known.

Do you agree with those assumptions?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat Earth Map Should Be Easy
« on: September 30, 2017, 01:40:00 PM »
All planes are not the same, and planes do not travel at a set speed through the duration of their flight.
Do you actually know this or are you making stuff up? Over long distances there is little variation in aircraft type and cruise speed. And I really don't know how you come up with the idea that planes should change speed by much during flights. Anyway, he's averaging the results to compensate. We'll see how the error bars are when he's finished.
If said error bars aren't horribly high, than the methodology holds.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is it just earth that is flat?
« on: September 30, 2017, 09:12:07 AM »
This assumption is false.
did i already tell you that this debate style isn't helping anybody? (FE and RE people alike).
All the keystrokes spent on personal attacks could have been employed in explaining which assumption you are talking about, because there's more than one there. A couple more in telling why it is.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat Earth Map Should Be Easy
« on: September 30, 2017, 08:59:54 AM »
Tom, he's not using speed at all. He's using flight time as a distance analogue. So there's no flight speed involved what so ever.

Flight time is not able to get a distance without knowing speed.
this is a proportion, not an absolute measure. He doesn't need to work out the actual distances.
Because equal flight times roughly equate equal distances, you can compare the former instead of the latter and avoid the problem of RE vs FE assumptions.
The only way* you can really object is by stating that airplanes fly at very different speeds in different parts of the planet. Is that what you are saying?

*EDIT: ok not the *only* way, but the other possible problems, if they really are relevant, will become readily apparent when he actually builds the map.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is it just earth that is flat?
« on: September 30, 2017, 08:40:55 AM »
Tom, you keep bringing up your magic perspective. There are several threads in the debate section in which it has been taken to task, because it's ludicrous. It would show good faith to answer those objections before continuing using it. Considering how perspective works in the real world, the explanation above is gobbledygook

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a) It's not doing that (because: tides, Cavendish, equatorial-vs-poles, mountain-tops, etc).
Cavendish doesn't disprove UA. It simply demonstrate that there are factors that need to be taken into account when calculating the value of said UA. I.e. the second part of the question. But junker said it ain't on topic and who am I to protest. :P

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat Earth Map Should Be Easy
« on: September 29, 2017, 03:36:26 PM »
Seems reasonable, as long as you pick flights within approximately the same range, because of the time proportionally spent at cruise speed, and the type of aircraft used.
I'd like to ask how the error bars are coming along (I'm using a mobile and can't open the spreadsheet).
Also, i'm curious to know how you're going to physically produce the actual map without going crazy ;D threads of different length?

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I have read the Wiki and FAQ; (UA asserts that the Earth is accelerating 'upward' at a constant rate of 9.8m/s^2)

But am struggling to find either a reason why or proof that the earth IS accelerating at 9.8 metres per second:

Wiki states: "The are several explanations for UA. As it is difficult for proponents of Flat Earth Theory to obtain grant money for scientific research, it is nigh on impossible to determine which of these theories is correct."

I was hoping that a FE could explain why this theory exists without this reasoning and evidence? Why does it make sense to you and how did this exact speed come about? As for the several explanations for UA; what are they please as I could not see them listed anywhere?

many thanks

Has there been an answer to the OP?   Why is the Earth accelerating at 9.8 metres per second?
tbh the first part of the question is kind of a non issue. FE proponents can simply say it's a basic property of the universe, just as I understand gravity is. The second part, where he asks how you get that number and the reasoning behind it, hasn't been answered in detail, beside stating that's indistinguishable from gravity. But you're starting from the assumption that the A in Q&A stands for answer.

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So are you willing to discuss cavendish here or elsewhere or shall I put that on the list of things FE proponents seem not to have an opinion/understand/care to discuss?
Why would I discuss Cavendish in a thread that has nothing to do with it?
you are still not getting why it's relevant with the concept of UA of the OP.
Fine. Ubi major minor cessat. Maybe when you feel like making an effort or contributing something substantial resurrect the other thread. Besos

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It's easy to find, it's the one with 0 replies.
Must not have been a very interesting topic, then.
come on now you're overdoing it
 ;D
Edited to add: please refrain from low content posts in the upper fora :P

I mean, I could have easily warned you for your initial low-content post that initiated the whole mess, but I didn't. However, seeing as you are not a moderator, I will kindly ask that you don't attempt to moderate threads. This can go ahead and be your last freebie.
*Adding humour to the list of things not to use with you.
So are you willing to discuss cavendish here or elsewhere or shall I put that on the list of things FE proponents seem not to have an opinion/understand/care to discuss?

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It's easy to find, it's the one with 0 replies.
Must not have been a very interesting topic, then.
come on now you're overdoing it
 ;D
Edited to add: please refrain from low content posts in the upper fora :P

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The Cavendish experiment was really an effort to calculate the constant in Newton's Law of Gravity. ("Big G")   You can't easily work it out without knowing the masses of the objects involved - which is hard to figure out for stars, planets, moons, etc.  Hence Cavendish (and others who refined his experiment) use known masses so they can figure out 'G' directly rather than from 'g and guesstimated masses for planets and such.   We don't need Cavendish to explain how gravity works - that can be deduced by watching the motion of planets in a heliocentric solar system.
Sure, but that's not why it's important in this context. In this thread we are not anywhere near any G yet, big or small. We could go faster, but the people here love their hair thoroughly splitted.
EDIT: you work with too many assumptions. Newton assumed a 'RE. "No shit sherlock" you are probably saying, but that's precisely the problem ;D

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see you're probably not getting this because of your kinda sorta opinion about ye old Cavendish. Share, and then we'll have some foundation to build on  :)
You can continue to deflect as much as you'd like when it is pointed out that you are wrong, but it doesn't make you any less wrong. I figured you would have learned that by now.
I'm sorry, this time it's you the one not getting it, but I don't want to beat around the bushes for hours on end.
Tell you what, if you don't feel like discussing this here, comment on the question I posed as one of my first posts in the Q&A forum, if you really are interested in a conversation. Or at least in trying to provide an explanation for a plain observation, which has, again, A LOT to do with the value of the UA the OP is quoting. We can always come back here later.
It's easy to find, it's the one with 0 replies. I can resurrect it for you, too.

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