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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Need clarification (time zones)

« on: March 22, 2019, 12:04:10 AM »

@iamcpc

You can't just say that it makes sense because the map says so. It has to fit into the concept of your world. And illumination by the sun is different for a plane compared to a globe. You cannot say "It makes sense because I say it makes sense.", you need to analyse whether it makes sense...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Need clarification (time zones)

« on: March 21, 2019, 07:49:06 AM »

Ok, a map with infinite parallel versions of the world where the exact same things happen would theoretically make the flight across the pacific possible. How convenient...
But it still doesn't help to explain the time of sunrise all over the world the way it is.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Need clarification (time zones)

« on: March 20, 2019, 07:03:36 PM »

Yes that matched my experience... But you told me it is a flat plane, so I can't just teleport from the left side of the map to the right. The map predicts that because it is a 2D representation of the GE world view. Sometimes I wonder what you are trying to tell me 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: When they say its vanishing point.

« on: March 20, 2019, 05:24:15 PM »

Flat- Earth. So does the sun set over the horizon, or does it vanish behind the vanishing point? I would love to see the sun vanish into the ground in these pictures.

Depends if the photographers were facing west :-) If so the sun would set behind the hills in each case ... but you and I both know that :-)

An interesting thing to do is to watch the sun go down, and then go higher and watch it set again ... eg lie on the beach facing west and watch the sunset then stand up and watch it again :-)

But Tom would just say it is bendy light or something lol

Is "facing west" even a thing in FE theory (disk)?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Need clarification (time zones)

« on: March 20, 2019, 04:29:42 AM »

Hello FE-Community,

I've been suspicious for quite a while and lately I stumbled on the FE theory and it caught my interest. I've already read most topics of the wiki, but there is a point where I need your help.
In the model of sunset it is described, that after the sun rays travel through a certain amount of air it stops being visible. Based on this explanation I conclude that the sun has some sort of circle on the map, where it can be seen.
So far it makes sense to me, but feel free to correct me in case I got that wrong.
Now, with the orbit of the sun I would expect the time zones (based on sunrise/sunset) to be shaped like the edge of a circle, not straight.

This detail currently is in conflict with what I believe to be true. Again, I am very new to this community and I hope that some of you can help me understand this issue

You are talking about a very specific flat earth model in which the earth is shaped like a flat disk.

Here is a different model of the earth, in which the earth is represented as a flat plane. This map is widely accepted by people who believe the earth is round. The time zones shown on this map should do much better to match your personal time zone observations.


https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

Sorry, I already flew across the pacific ocean, also I don't see how that map would be any better...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Need clarification (time zones)

« on: March 19, 2019, 04:55:08 PM »

Again, when I talk about time zones in this thread, I refer to areas with the same moment of sunrise and sunset, not the human convention. And I asked my friend what values he saw on timeanddate.com, where I got my values for the Bangui/Bratislava example...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Need clarification (time zones)

« on: March 19, 2019, 12:49:11 PM »

I know that the time zones are just convenience. I mean the actual time of sunrise and sunset. To give an example:
Bratislava (in Europe) is about the same longitude as Bangui (Central Africa). But the difference in latitude is 44°, Bangui is near the equator. Also important to note is that neither city is on a mountain. Still, they are only 7 minutes apart on sunrise and sunset. I currently can't comprehend why that is.

Also, I agree that agencies (especially NASA) can make up stories about science and space travel. But it seems hard to me to lie about time of sunrise, since everyone can see that with their own eyes.

How do you know this? I find it hard to believe that you are witnessing a 7 minute difference with your own eyes.

It is true that I can't confirm it alone, but people living in the respective regions can. And for the claim, that the website gives different times depending on your position, I just called a friend overseas and he sees the exact same. I just meant that confirming/debunking these values is very easy as I just did that for myself. Also, I know that I can trust my friend on this.

Curvature for example is very hard to check with your own eyes because it requires a huge setup. Checking when the sun rises is easy. When I heard about FE I questioned basically everything from the ground on and 95% make sense to me. Believing in a system that does not make 100% sense to me is hard, although it's better than GE... I still wonder how time zones fit in the puzzle 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Need clarification (time zones)

« on: March 19, 2019, 02:29:17 AM »

I know that the time zones are just convenience. I mean the actual time of sunrise and sunset. To give an example:
Bratislava (in Europe) is about the same longitude as Bangui (Central Africa). But the difference in latitude is 44°, Bangui is near the equator. Also important to note is that neither city is on a mountain. Still, they are only 7 minutes apart on sunrise and sunset. I currently can't comprehend why that is.

Also, I agree that agencies (especially NASA) can make up stories about science and space travel. But it seems hard to me to lie about time of sunrise, since everyone can see that with their own eyes.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Need clarification (time zones)

« on: March 18, 2019, 10:59:41 PM »

Well, what if the sun isn’t actually round and the bright round thing in the sky is just the brightest part.  Could something then funnel the light into straight lines, creating a rectangle of day and thus, the time zones we see today.

Thank you for the suggestion,

I thought about it. If the sun was a spotlight coming from the dome (I think you mean that? Otherwise please clarify) then what is your view on sunrise/sunset? Because I can't use one explanation in the first topic and another on the second. The explanation has to work for both.
So for any future replies, please address both aspects of time zone shape and sunrise/sunset if you post a different explanation.

As for the replies that rather start a new conversation and do not contribute to the discussion: Please address the issue I posted.

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Flat Earth Theory / Need clarification (time zones)

« on: March 18, 2019, 06:37:19 AM »

Hello FE-Community,

I've been suspicious for quite a while and lately I stumbled on the FE theory and it caught my interest. I've already read most topics of the wiki, but there is a point where I need your help.
In the model of sunset it is described, that after the sun rays travel through a certain amount of air it stops being visible. Based on this explanation I conclude that the sun has some sort of circle on the map, where it can be seen.
So far it makes sense to me, but feel free to correct me in case I got that wrong.
Now, with the orbit of the sun I would expect the time zones (based on sunrise/sunset) to be shaped like the edge of a circle, not straight.

This detail currently is in conflict with what I believe to be true. Again, I am very new to this community and I hope that some of you can help me understand this issue