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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #840 on: February 09, 2021, 11:39:05 PM »
Meanwhile Sydney Powell is so confident about her claims that she is avoiding being served by Dominion for the defamation lawsuit. But, yes, for sure there is tons of super good evidence of fraud lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/bradheath/status/1359194538175258627?s=21

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #841 on: February 10, 2021, 12:03:36 AM »
Meanwhile Sydney Powell is so confident about her claims that she is avoiding being served by Dominion for the defamation lawsuit. But, yes, for sure there is tons of super good evidence of fraud lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/bradheath/status/1359194538175258627?s=21

I'm suspecting she and Rudi are on the lam holed up in a roadside motel outside of Barstow under the nom de plume Mr. & Mrs Kraken. That's usually how these fugitives-on-the-run things go.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #842 on: February 10, 2021, 12:06:10 AM »
Meanwhile Sydney Powell is so confident about her claims that she is avoiding being served by Dominion for the defamation lawsuit. But, yes, for sure there is tons of super good evidence of fraud lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/bradheath/status/1359194538175258627?s=21

Release the kraken!  I hope they both get sued into oblivion.

If these people weren't trying to destroy our democracy and install a dictator it would be a lot funnier.

Thank heavens they are all so incredibly incompetent.  But you aren't going to get smart people following Trumps lead, he's the pied piper of the ignorant and clueless.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #843 on: February 10, 2021, 03:56:33 PM »
Meanwhile Sydney Powell is so confident about her claims that she is avoiding being served by Dominion for the defamation lawsuit. But, yes, for sure there is tons of super good evidence of fraud lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/bradheath/status/1359194538175258627?s=21

I'm suspecting she and Rudi are on the lam holed up in a roadside motel outside of Barstow under the nom de plume Mr. & Mrs Kraken. That's usually how these fugitives-on-the-run things go.
If only Hunter S. Thompson were still around to tell this story. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '20 is a book I'd read in a heartbeat.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #844 on: February 10, 2021, 08:39:01 PM »
Meanwhile Sydney Powell is so confident about her claims that she is avoiding being served by Dominion for the defamation lawsuit. But, yes, for sure there is tons of super good evidence of fraud lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/bradheath/status/1359194538175258627?s=21

I'm suspecting she and Rudi are on the lam holed up in a roadside motel outside of Barstow under the nom de plume Mr. & Mrs Kraken. That's usually how these fugitives-on-the-run things go.
If only Hunter S. Thompson were still around to tell this story. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '20 is a book I'd read in a heartbeat.

Hunter's faithful attorney, Lazlo, would have been a far better pick for Team Trump than Sydney "I have so much evidence of fraud it's like drinking from a firehose" Powell & Rudi "My streaming down the face hair dye has enough Covid in it to lock down the entire Arizona Assembly" Guiliani.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #845 on: February 10, 2021, 09:34:56 PM »
Wrong. Some cases were about Fraud. Specifically Fraud and Vote Dilution, according to the ABA (I'd say the ABA is more authoritative than some rando on the web such as yourself...):

Did you even bother reading what you posted? Only four cases suggest that they are about fraud that occurred there, out of over 80 election lawsuits, and none of those were filed by Trump in your list, only random people.


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Ward v. Jackson, No. CV2020-015285 (Maricopa Cty. Sup. Ct.)
The plaintiff alleged, among other things, that there were issues with verifying voters’ signatures on mail-in ballots, illegal votes, and that the ballot-tabulation machines had duplicated some votes in favor of Biden.

About fraud.

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Constantino v. City of Detroit, Nos. 20-014780-AW (Wayne Cty. Cir. Ct.), 355443 (Mich. Ct. App.)
Individual voters and poll challengers sued the City of Detroit, the Detroit Election Commission, and other state elections officials, alleging voter fraud throughout Wayne County as a result of violations of Michigan law.

About fraud.

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Stoddard v. City Election Commission of Detroit, No. 20-014604-CZ (3rd Judicial Cir. Ct. Mich.)
The plaintiffs claimed that an injunction was necessary because party inspectors were not present at each table inside the absentee vote counting board location.

"injunction was necessary because party inspectors were not present at each table" - Not about fraud that occured.

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Law v. Whitmer, No. 20 OC 00163 1B (Carson City Dist. Ct.)
The Republican contestants alleged various election administration irregularities and voter fraud, from problems with the provisional ballot-casting process to mismatched signatures being accepted by the ballot machines.

About fraud.

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Kraus v. Cegavske, No. 82018 (Nev. S. Ct.)
The plaintiffs sought an injunction against the Registrar of Voters for Clark County to prevent the registrar from using artificial intelligence to authenticate ballots, which the plaintiffs claimed deprived them of the right to observe the ballot-counting process.

"plaintiffs claimed deprived them of the right to observe the ballot-counting process" - Not about fraud that occured.

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Election Integrity Project of Nevada v. Nevada, Nos. A-20-820510-C (Clark Cty. Dist. Ct.), 81847 (Nev. S. Ct.)
The plaintiffs asked the Clark County District Court to enjoin the Secretary from certifying Nevada’s election results due to alleged widespread voter fraud enabled by purported unconstitutionally enacted mail-in ballot legislation.

About fraud.

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Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. v. Boockvar, No. 20-3371 (U.S. 3d Cir. App.)
Specifically, plaintiffs took issue with the state’s mail-in ballot procedures, and claimed that the regulations for observing and monitoring the counting of ballots in Pennsylvania had been invalidly enacted, presenting opportunities for widespread voter fraud, and thus denied voters due process under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

"presenting opportunities for widespread voter fraud" - Not about fraud, only a possible mechanism which could lead to fraud.

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In re Hotze, No. 20-0671 (Tex. S. Ct.)
The plaintiffs alleged that these practices violated the Texas Constitution and the Texas Election Code, would lead to voter fraud, and that the governor’s order suspending parts of the Election Code was constitutionally invalid because it violated the separation of powers.

"would lead to voter fraud" - Not about fraud that occurred.

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Trump v. Wisconsin Elections Commission, No. 2:20-cv-01785 (E.D. Wis.)
Specifically, the plaintiff alleged that the state elections officials had violated his rights under the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution by issuing guidance on state election law during the coronavirus pandemic that illegally deviated from state statutes.

"guidance on state election law during the coronavirus pandemic that illegally deviated from state statutes" - Not about fraud
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #846 on: February 10, 2021, 09:39:23 PM »
Wrong. Some cases were about Fraud. Specifically Fraud and Vote Dilution, according to the ABA (I'd say the ABA is more authoritative than some rando on the web such as yourself...):

Did you even bother reading what you posted? Only four cases suggest that they are about fraud there, out of over 80 election lawsuits, and none were filed by Trump in your list, only random people.

You are the only one trying to re-focus this entire discussion over which cases explicitly mention 'fraud' as if that means anything at all.  Lets take a step back.

The simple fact is Trump failed to prove fraud in court, either by losing cases or by not bringing them in the first place.  Doesn't matter which, the end result is the same.

Trump couldn't provide any evidence backing up his fraud claims.  Big fail.

No way to spin this.  Trump swore up and down there was fraud, but can't prove it in court.  He can say anything he wants on Twitter (oops) and on TV but only Judges can decide if he has any proof and so far, none have agreed.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #847 on: February 10, 2021, 10:03:11 PM »
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The simple fact is Trump failed to prove fraud in court, either by losing cases or by not bringing them in the first place.  Doesn't matter which, the end result is the same.

Actually, it does matter. You guys have been continuously citing these cases as proof that there was no voter fraud. The cases were not about voter fraud, so your evidence is really nothing at all.

The cases weren't brought because they are technically complex and might take years to litigate, and due to the time sensitive nature it is easy to see why lawyers would want to focus on things like whether a rule change was legal. Such a tactic would have nothing to do with the veracity of voter fraud.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #848 on: February 10, 2021, 10:18:41 PM »
The cases weren't brought because they are technically complex
Trump claimed dead people voted.
That’s not technically complex, that should be easy to prove.
He also claimed that loads of people from out of state voted.
That’s not technically complex, that should be easy to prove.
I’ve heard claims that more people voted than were registered.
That’s not technically complex, that should be easy to prove.

Fact is, you can claim all these things on Twitter, on right wing blogs and YouTube but none of that is relevant. Evidence has to stand up in court. It didn’t. That’s why Biden is sitting in the White House right now.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #849 on: February 10, 2021, 10:30:57 PM »
Wrong. Some cases were about Fraud. Specifically Fraud and Vote Dilution, according to the ABA (I'd say the ABA is more authoritative than some rando on the web such as yourself...):

Did you even bother reading what you posted? Only four cases suggest that they are about fraud that occurred there, out of over 80 election lawsuits, and none of those were filed by Trump in your list, only random people.

You originally said:

How many times does someone have to be wrong

Good question. You guys were wrong here. You have been citing the 60 cases as proof of no voter fraud a million times here. So now you admit that you don't know what you are talking about and mindlessly repeat things you hear. The cases were not about fraud.


So is it "The cases were not about fraud," as you claimed or were there 4? Which is it? And try to be consistent.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #850 on: February 10, 2021, 11:06:31 PM »
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The simple fact is Trump failed to prove fraud in court, either by losing cases or by not bringing them in the first place.  Doesn't matter which, the end result is the same.

Actually, it does matter. You guys have been continuously citing these cases as proof that there was no voter fraud. The cases were not about voter fraud, so your evidence is really nothing at all.

The cases weren't brought because they are technically complex and might take years to litigate, and due to the time sensitive nature it is easy to see why lawyers would want to focus on things like whether a rule change was legal. Such a tactic would have nothing to do with the veracity of voter fraud.

That makes zero sense.

You are claiming there was tons of fraud but... Trump is not going to actually bring any of THAT evidence to court because it would take too long.  So instead he's going to bring a bunch of unrelated cases that won't actually affect anything, lose most of them and call it a win?

No... if you want to claim there was massive fraud on the scale of millions of votes and Biden's win was not legitimate, you have to show us the proof. Otherwise it's just baseless claims not backed up by any facts or evidence.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #851 on: February 10, 2021, 11:09:00 PM »
Is Tom still going on about the massive evidence and proof that Trump needs time to get despite saying he has it?

I mean, Trump wouldn't make a conclusion and then hunt for evidence...would he? ;P
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #852 on: February 11, 2021, 01:10:48 AM »
More election fraud is being investigated.  Criminal charges pending.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #853 on: February 11, 2021, 01:56:20 AM »
More election fraud is being investigated.  Criminal charges pending.

Aha!  So Trump was right the entire time.  There were powerful forces trying to alter the election.

I think we all owe Tom Bishop an apology.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #854 on: February 11, 2021, 04:54:12 AM »
More election fraud is being investigated.  Criminal charges pending.

Aha!  So Trump was right the entire time.  There were powerful forces trying to alter the election.

I think we all owe Tom Bishop an apology.

I can see the positive evidence.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #855 on: February 11, 2021, 06:47:09 AM »
Is this the kraken? There certainly seems to be a mountain of evidence against Trump there.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #856 on: February 11, 2021, 07:13:53 AM »
Is this the kraken? There certainly seems to be a mountain of evidence against Trump there.

Maybe.  Monsters do generally turn on their masters.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #857 on: February 11, 2021, 12:46:21 PM »
Trump’s lawyer goes on Hannity and makes the case that Trump successfully inflamed his followers to insurrection. Lol

https://lawandcrime.com/impeachment/hannity-said-trump-lawyer-had-a-great-day-then-the-lawyer-went-on-fox-and-made-democrats-case-for-them/

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #858 on: February 11, 2021, 02:08:00 PM »
Trump’s lawyer goes on Hannity and makes the case that Trump successfully inflamed his followers to insurrection. Lol

https://lawandcrime.com/impeachment/hannity-said-trump-lawyer-had-a-great-day-then-the-lawyer-went-on-fox-and-made-democrats-case-for-them/

Reading the quote, I was like 'what the hell is he talking about?'.  His english made no sense.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #859 on: February 18, 2021, 10:36:18 PM »
Russia is now defending my rights as an American more than the "American President".

https://ussanews.com/News1/2021/02/17/russia-blasts-biden-regime-for-persecution-of-trump-supporters-political-dissidents:

    The Russian Foreign Ministry has issued a statement lambasting the United States government under Joe Biden for the “ongoing persecution campaign” taking place “against anybody at all who does not agree with the results of the latest presidential election.”

    In the statement, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova delivered a scathing assessment of the human rights situation in the United States under President Joe Biden. Zakharova described the ongoing crackdown against Trump loyalists in the United States. She also questioned the “objectivity of the law enforcement agencies” involved in this campaign, noting that they were acting under orders and “in line with the narrative of the current administration who declared the events of January 6, 2021 a riot and everybody who was near the US Congress on that day all but plunderers.”