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I would also like to point out that you are intentionally trying to deceive people with that animation. Those camera movements are not necessary. It could have been seen had the camera simply been lowered and panned up and to the left.
Take a look at this animation:
https://media.giphy.com/media/QLNnW3c2d2iGEPIICh/giphy.gif
How, then is it possible to get the light on the ball to point away from the sun?You answered yourself long ago.
When you look down one end of the hallway the corners are angled upwards and when you look down the other end it is angled upwards.
There is no other way to get it to point away from the sun. It is not some special property of the light direction.Indeed
It's aFixed your comment to make it accurate.close rangeperspective effect.
The Sun-Earth-Moon system in RET is not like "looking down a hallway." We can't use hallway perspective effects.Yes we can. Like I said, you're just making up irrelevant or imaginary excuses.
The sun and the moon are far away, rotating around the observer, and the same distance from the observer throughout the day in RET. They are not changing distances from the observer like the points of a hallway ceiling is. Perspective matters very little.Pick a fixed spot in the hallway. There, that was easy.
In fact, this scenario more closely matches the Flat Earth model than the Round Earth model.No, it doesn't.
The people who are proposing the hallway perspective explanation are pretty much proposing that the close Sun and Moon model of the Flat Earth is correct.Nope.
Can we agree that if the pencil is a fixed 10,000 feet away from you, that it will be much harder to see those close-range perspective effects?If the pencil is long enough (and a bigger diameter in order to be seen), then it will match what is seen of the moon.
Nick, in that explanation the video is using the analogy of standing in the middle of a very long room or hallway. When you look down one end of the hallway the corners are angled upwards and when you look down the other end it is angled upwards.
The moon does not magically change from having its left side lit to having its right side lit over the course of a day, while that would obviously happen with a ball lit by the Sun.Why would that happen? You don't understand the globe model very well.
It's called perspective. A dime can obscure an elephant in the distance when you hold the dime out in front of you. The light rays of the elephant can't wrap around the dime.Because as you move further away, Earth will appear smaller, but the sun will not appear as small (remember it is much larger and further away), and so Earth will appear smaller than the sun. At this point, you will be receiving light from the sun.
Here is the proof again:"The sun and earth and the observer are in a straight line. The sun is seen to be smaller than the earth at that distance. We are located at a point directly behind the earth, at the point where the earth's shrinking shadow disappears entirely and the sun's rays meet. The shadow is now gone, yet the earth is still in front of the sun."
How do we see the sun through the earth?
No Tom, with a sun that is bigger than Earth, Earth's shadow will become smaller further out.Why is the earth's shadow decreasing in size?You do realize the sun is much bigger than Earth, correct?
In RET, sure. But it's also very far away and very small in the sky.
For the sun to cause the earth's shadow to decrease in size the moon would need to see the sun to be bigger than the earth in its sky.
If the sun is seen to be smaller than the earth, the opposite should occur, and the shadow should widen.
Why is the earth's shadow decreasing in size?You do realize the sun is much bigger than Earth, correct?
How can you, with a straight face, discount 5-6 miles of tests over a rippled inland sea but then stand by your personal claim of being able to see the opposite shoreline across 23 miles of exposed bay from a height of 20"?Last I read about this, he was laying on on the beach at the edge of the water. Of course, there is no proof he even did this experiment in the direction or distance claimed, or that it even happened at all.
If you are looking at the sun from a slightly tilted angle from 92 million miles away, you are going to keep looking at it from that angle. Perspective won't help you at that distance.Are you saying that if I aim my camera at a distant object and take a picture, and then tilt my camera while keeping it aimed at that same distant object and take another picture, that when I upload and view the two images, the features of that distant object will still be oriented the same. No rotation of the features.
Unless you wish to argue that we have a close sun?
Look at this timelapse photography of the moon from Seattle. It keeps it orientation for a long period of time. It does not continuously "roll throughout the night". It only flips at the apex.He also blended multiple images of the city, and added the moon shots as layers. He wasn't clear if the moon images were blended, but it appears that way. Layering the first and last moon image, they are identical pixel for pixel. I'll try taking pictures myself.
the moon does not suddenly "flip" when it reaches the local meridian. how would that happen?Only situation I know of is around the equator when the person physically turns around 180 degrees at the sun/moons apex, in order to continue tracking it. Also around an equinox.
what is the mechanism for this rollingBecause it's a globe, and the viewing angle from different latitudes change as that globe rotates.
The earth spins on its axis. It doesn't change where day and night is.There is no problem if you understand it and can envision it in 3-d.
The problem is that someone located in the night area of the above image are seeing Mercury and Venus, which are orbiting closer to the sun, in their sky.
