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Technology & Information / Re: Custom keyboard layouts in X11
« on: April 03, 2021, 08:59:51 AM »
Use a text expandor and it will auto correct to add all the silly accents for you. Also, 100% of Irish people speak English. Most don't speak Irish very well. You are wasting your life. You could be learning Japanese or Korean or something instead.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is there anything that RET cannot explain?
« on: March 30, 2021, 10:28:52 PM »
It just happens to be a globe but it wouldn't affect my life one jot if it were not. It's not about whether I "like" his work, it's simply that it turned out to be a jolly good model of how things work and can actually explain observations.
The Bohr model is a jolly good model. But it has no basis in reality. ... oooh, maybe I should formulate a flat atom theory. 🤔

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is there anything that RET cannot explain?
« on: March 30, 2021, 07:29:40 PM »
Right. So your counter argument is basically “nuh-uh”?

And sure, Newton probably did believe some crazy stuff. It’s easy to point and laugh at people who lived centuries ago. We are all products of the era we grew up in. As you’ve intimated, it’s likely that in the future people will look back at some of our beliefs and scoff. But our current models are good enough to do the things I’ve mentioned. Just denying them isn’t a counter argument. So I think many of our current beliefs will stand the test of time, as have Newton’s.

So you are picking and choosing. You don't like his theories on turning base metals into gold. Or on a clockwork universe crafted by God. You don't like his work on the elixir of life and immortality. You aren't keen on his work predicting the end of the earth in 2060. But you do like his work on how apples fall off trees because it reassures you that the earth is round.   ::) As time has gone on, more and more of Newton's theories have been scrubbed as farcical. The trend is that one day we'll realise the guy was an absolute nugget who set science back centuries. 

@Stack, no. We aren't arguing 18 points at once. Pick your favourite and go with that.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is there anything that RET cannot explain?
« on: March 30, 2021, 06:36:35 PM »
Because there's a rover sitting on Mars right now.
No there isn't.

Because your phone has GPS.
No it doesn't.

Because there's an ISS which you can literally see from the ground exactly when the website tells you it will be overhead.
No I can't.

Because they predicted the path of the solar eclipse to the block level.
No, you are being absurd.

Because there's a whole area of expertise which uses gravity to find resources underground.
No, you're just repeating made up lies.

Now, of course our model of gravity has changed over time, but it's hardly true to say that Newton was some old duffer.
The guy was into alchemy, a creationist, believed that metals vegetate, that the whole cosmos/matter is alive and that gravity is caused by emissions of an alchemical principle he called salniter. But hey, I wouldn't accuse you of picking and choosing.

Einstein's equations reduce to Newton's for all practical purposes.
It is possible they are both wrong being as one leans on the work of the other.

GPS does need to take account of Relativistic effects because if you want a precise position you need a very precise timestamp, but for things like rockets going to Mars Newton will do fine, thanks very much. Of course science should always be looking to improve models, but the ones we have seem to work pretty well for most practical purposes.
And everyone lived happily ever after? I love your little stories.

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Yes, they only have models that don't work. They'll tell you that themselves.
You'll have to tell that to the ISS and the Perseverance Rover.
They'd have to exist first.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is there anything that RET cannot explain?
« on: March 30, 2021, 11:33:29 AM »
Physicist > Someone with a history and philosophy degree

And what shape do physicists think the earth is? :)
Your "appeal to authority" thing is very selective, you cherry pick bits and pieces from people you regard as authorities when you think their (often out of context) comments back up your beliefs.
But you reject their thoughts on gravity being a thing or the shape of the earth. ???

Scientists have changed the definition of Gravity and what they think it is consistently since antiquity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_gravitational_theory

Why would I believe that right now at this point in history, they finally have it nailed down? Because I happen to be alive at the exact point when it is understood? I'm sure someone could have claimed the same in 1400 AD. If we had the same conversation in the 1940's you'd be saying Einstein knew all with his general relativity and Edwin Hubble confirmed it and I am so stupid thinking they are wrong.

And yet here we are in 2021 and
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_gravitational_theory
Several decades after the discovery of general relativity, it was realized that it cannot be the complete theory of gravity because it is incompatible with quantum mechanics.[72] Later it was understood that it is possible to describe gravity in the framework of quantum field theory like the other fundamental forces. In this framework, the attractive force of gravity arises due to exchange of virtual gravitons, in the same way as the electromagnetic force arises from exchange of virtual photons.[73][74] This reproduces general relativity in the classical limit, but only at the linearized level and postulating that the conditions for the applicability of Ehrenfest theorem holds, which is not always the case. Moreover, this approach fails at short distances of the order of the Planck length.[72]

Theoretical models such as string theory and loop quantum gravity are current candidates for a possible 'theory of everything'.

They'll change it all again at some point in the future. In other words, they still can't explain gravity and you write

But you reject their thoughts on gravity being a thing

Yes, they only have models that don't work. They'll tell you that themselves.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FET implies intelligent design
« on: March 21, 2021, 08:20:40 PM »
Think of all the people throughout history. Vikings. Romans. Gauls. Normans. Aztecs. Koreans. Africans. Native Americans. Literally any group of people from anywhere in history. Give me just one example of a civilisation that rose up as atheist.

You will draw a blank. You cannot be civilised without religion. It is not possible. There are likely more than a million historical cases studies ... you won't find an atheist anywhere. So why, when you know what works ... when you know what is successful ... would you choose something as stupid as atheism as a way to lead your life?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FET implies intelligent design
« on: March 21, 2021, 08:03:37 PM »
When you squeal wascist or bogit or reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! you are failing to provide a counter argument.

Also there are many links to decadence and the decline of empires and civilisations. Homosexuality becoming publicly acceptable is usually a harbinger of awful things to come. That's just a historical fact and facts don't care about your feelings.

Completely out of context and not even relevant. The quote was in regard to his bi-polar depression, not his atheism. But I suppose you think theists never suffer from depression.
It is utterly relevant. Every single civilisation, tribe and people through all time anywhere on earth have been religious. There is no atheist success story anywhere. You could be a pygmy in a rainforest or a medieval African. You believe in god/gods. We are utterly hard wired to believe in a creator. It is likely an evolutionary coping mechanism so you don't keep getting depressed and kill yourself. Suspend belief, believe there is more to life and get more out of life. As human brains evolved and people realised their own mortality ... evolve ... be susceptible to belief in things you cannot see hear or touch. It'll give you an advantage.

the question "Is there a God?" is very easy to answer. Because of the two choices one leads to futility, loneliness, fear and misery. And the other allows you to get the most out of the gift of life you were given. Is there a God? Yes. Only an idiot would arrive at the answer no ... and like Fry, would spend the rest of their life paying for that error.

Even famous atheist and philosopher Terry Pratchett (who had magnificent views on earth's shape) understood this.
Quote from: Terry Pratchett
Susan: “All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."
Death: REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
Susan: "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"
Death: YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
Susan: "So we can believe the big ones?"
Death: YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
Susan: "They're not the same at all!"
Death: YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET — Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
Susan: "Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"
Death: MY POINT EXACTLY.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FET implies intelligent design
« on: March 21, 2021, 07:28:30 PM »
That's not a far stretch from something theists of various flavors like to argue, about how the fine tuning of the universe also implies intelligent design. You can just as easily invoke something like the anthropic principle, we find the universe is the way it is because if it wasn't, we wouldn't be around to think about it.
That's like saying my car works and cars wouldn't exist if internal combustion didn't work. That doesn't mean BMW didn't sit down and design your car and that instead your car was just forced into existence because cars are a thing and therefore must exist. Just because the conditions for you to exist happen to be so, doesn't mean you weren't designed to live in those conditions.

Also ... imagine being a fluke on a tiny speck of dust whose insignificant life is over in the blink of an eye? No wonder so many atheists are depressed all the time.

Atheist


Also Atheist




I can't find it, but Dennis Prager once said something that struck me as profound. If was something along the lines of "Atheists are ingrates. And spend the rest of their life unhappy because they are unable to say thank you for my life".

... I'd rather just have my sky fairy and be happy.



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Here's a variant on the issue I've come across before, but it just happened to pop up yesterday so I was able to capture it:

- A member who shall not be named nor singled out made a post in a thread (In the uppers).
- I hit "Quote" to respond.
- I got distracted and didn't actually type anything for like 10 minutes
- I typed my response, hit "Preview" and got this message:



So then, in another tab, I navigated all the way over to the thread to see if the post I was responding to had been deleted. It was still there, nothing had changed that I could tell, and there was no edit timestamp.

So I guess the poster, in that 10 minute interim where I hadn't responded yet, deleted their post and then re-posted it exactly as it was before? Why would someone do that?

And you say we are the conspiracy theorists on this site? This is some tall tale. Also, leave Tom alone.  >:(

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If one child is spoiling the playground for everyone then the solution is to deal with the one child, not tell all the other children that they have to put up with their poor behaviour
And what do you do if all the other children are ganging up to bully this one child?

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You say that, yet here is Pete and Parsifal looking in to it. Maybe it’s you that has the problem here?

If they end up plotting "How can we punish Tom for this?" then that's a poor reflection on them. Not how wonderful your suggestion is. I've no idea how yet another Tom bashing thread has been allowed to slip through the net, but its clear it is yet again targeted at one individual. Stop it.

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if I was being too sensitive I could learn to live with it.
Learn to live with it. You are being too sensitive.

Maybe just like you should learn to live with getting DM's from noobs and just delete them instead asking the system to do something about it for you?

My suggestion improves the user experience for existing users.

This awful suggestion is just yet another 'Let's get Tom' thread.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: March 20, 2021, 08:29:08 AM »
"Trump is so embarrassing" ... hahahaha!



Your President is a complete and utter tool.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Fly You To The Moon
« on: March 19, 2021, 01:10:32 PM »
Ok, I've applied for the second stage.



... now I need to wait some more.

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if I was being too sensitive I could learn to live with it.
Learn to live with it. You are being too sensitive.

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It’s basic etiquette along the lines of a few other rules you don’t care about.
The difference between our two literary abilities is a chasm. I don't need to learn any lessons about how to post from you. I'm Thork. You are nobody.


EDIT: My point was not to go after the occasional ninja edit, but serial behavior.
And my point is that it is Tom's prerogative to use this forum in a manner in which he gets the most enjoyment. Not to post in the way you instruct him to. Tom's edit/re-edit is what makes Tom ... Tom. He's been doing it for over ten years to my knowledge. He'll be doing it long after you have stopped posting here. It forms part of his style. His posts are an evolution ... not a mind dump. He considers his posts and adds and changes them to get his message across the way he would like. You must also remember he is a flat earther. He needs to choose his words carefully or a dozen RE zealots will pounce on him and tear his post apart because he misspoke. A little edit corrects that.

You are making a problem from nothing. Leave Tom alone. If you can't get along, you play your ball games on the other side of the playground.

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If we can't, we can still ban the behaviour described above (both because it's shitty and because it'll help us rule that option out).

No you can't. If Tom wants to edit his posts after the fact ... he can. I sometimes do the same. Maybe I think of something 5 mins later and want to add it.

... at which point, it's easy to make it clear to even the casual reader that it's an edit. Such as, below the original text;

EDIT - (the addition or correction you want to make)

No one is being paid to make posts. We are under no duty to add a version history to them. Read it and then respond or ignore it. Choice is yours.

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If we can't, we can still ban the behaviour described above (both because it's shitty and because it'll help us rule that option out).

No you can't. If Tom wants to edit his posts after the fact ... he can. I sometimes do the same. Maybe I think of something 5 mins later and want to add it. You can quote Tom at any point and if you quote and respond to an earlier version of the post ... welp that's tough on Tom for not getting his shit together up front. But Tom should not be on the end of a ban for having the temerity to improve his own posts.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Post limit on DMs
« on: March 18, 2021, 09:05:43 PM »
u are clearly uneducated if you make your moneny from only fans so it makes sense why you are dumb enugh to belive in that flat earth

HAIL NASA

i'm suprised your not an anti-vaxxer


Hurry up!  >o<


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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Post limit on DMs
« on: March 16, 2021, 10:02:25 PM »
Why not just ignore or delete them?
I've been ignoring and deleting them for however many years this site has been running for.

Why do you feel the need to respond?
I usually don't respond. But sometimes I start to feel the rage. It begins to boil inside of me. I can feel my blood pressure rise and my neck and fists tighten. And when I feel the rage, I want to hurt someone. Badly.  >o< I want to reach through my monitor and choke the life from their stupid irritating body. But I can't. So I sent them a shitty DM instead.

Speaking of people I'd like to choke ...
That said, barring any changes made on the administrative side, you can close your PMs to people that you don't specifically white list.
This isn't facebook. I'm not friending and unfollowing people one by one.

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