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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: June 09, 2022, 04:02:40 PM »



This one really made me chuckle. Good find, Tom!

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Let's use the site-wide theme in CN
« on: April 26, 2022, 06:24:03 PM »
I say we use Blanko's theme in CN in memory of him.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 23, 2022, 12:30:27 AM »
I can use specialised software to see much more than a magical space station. Be bold, name what you'd like to see. Specialised software will sort it out.

Can you show me some Moon Shrimp?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 22, 2022, 04:10:22 PM »
How do you know it was the same object? What if ...

The overwhelming preponderence of evidence supporting it, and the total lack of any firm evidence to show that it could be anything else.

Do you have anything in support of your "What if ..." ???

It would just explain everything in a way that fits neatly with already established flat-earth facts.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 22, 2022, 03:12:25 PM »
Round-earthers say it’s moving at 17K mph.

... which is entirely consistent with both the stated orbital height, and duration of orbit.

I've seen it twice in an evening, on more than one occasion; each appearance separated by 90 mins or so. Calculate the length of orbit, based on stated speed, height and textbook radius of Earth, and you arrive at an orbital time of around 90 mins.

It's also consistent with the first orbital satellite, Sputnik 1, which was not only seen, but heard, as folks on the ground both watched it and listened to its beep-beep radio transmission. Accounts of what people saw and heard also mention an orbital time of around 90 mins, implying similar speed.

How do you know it was the same object? What if they are like busses timed to pass by every 90 min?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Home Page
« on: April 22, 2022, 01:32:43 PM »
Absolutely. If you'd like to post an announcement, simply create a thread and let me know when it's ready to be moved to Announcements.

Maybe AllAroundTheWorld is saying that since we've all proven incapable of keeping up with announcements that the home page should be redesigned to exclude this feature. Or maybe he's not saying that. idk

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 22, 2022, 01:19:01 PM »
Regardless of the shape of the earth, at ground level to chase the sun one full revolution you’d have to be traveling at approximately 1000 MPH for 24 hours. Doable for let’s say some hi-tech blimp I suppose. But now you have to do the same thing in just an hour and a half. On land, to make one full revolution in 90 minutes, you’d have to be going something like 16x faster, or around 16,000 MPH. Rise in altitude, farther to travel, more speed required. Let me know if my math is wrong.

Well, I am still researching this so I didn't want to prematurely mention it, but I suspect that there are multiple dirigibles. As they move around some can "go dark" and not be visible. The "space station" is not always visible. Even round-earthers agree that you can't see it in day time. Plus there is no need to fly the dirigibles on cloudy nights. So with only a few windows of opportunity (night time, clear skies, outside of a high-light metropolitan area) mixed with having the right equipment to even see the dirigible there are only a handful of people at any given time who can confirm its existence. This severely limits the times and places where the dirigible needs to appear and with multiple dirigibles the illusion can be easily achieved.

On top of all that, if anyone here were to get the proper equipment, go out into a desolate field on a clear night and look for the "space station" and fail to find it? You would 100% chalk it up to user error. Tell me you wouldn't.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 21, 2022, 08:18:09 PM »
There’s a small problem with the contention that the space station is anchored to the North Pole under the flat earth theory.  That’s the fallacy of the earth’s upward acceleration to ‘simulate’ gravity.  In order for the space station to maintain a tension on a rope attached to the North Pole there would have to be a rocket engine on the space station to also maintain an upwards acceleration.  I’ve never seen any evidence of a rocket exhaust in any of the pictures.  Clearly there’s humans aboard the space station because I’ve personally heard them on the HAM radio frequencies.

By this logic birthday balloons would not stay afloat. The dirigible-station sails the upper bounds of the atmoplain like a ship anchored in a bay.


The difference being that in the ISS dirigible theory, the dirigible is traveling at over 17,000 miles per hour, is tied to tether(s) that would have to withstand 17,000 mph movement in upper atmosphere and the forces of the dirigible pulling in it, is being moved and steared by a force that would need to be defined, is attached to tethers that would have to be thousands and thousands of miles in length, and that would somehow need a plan for servicing said tether(s) if said tether(s) were to break or become damaged. Additionally, what would be the method of servicing such tethers without the billions of people on the ground knowing. Lastly, how would employees at NASA be mistaken that the ISS is orbiting the Earth vs. the ISS as a dirigible attached to tether(s)? They would be monitoring the ISS and not realize it's actually a dirigible with tether(s) attached?

Round-earthers say it’s moving at 17K mph. I’m not exactly sure how fast it’s moving but if it were closer then it wouldn’t have to move nearly as fast. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 20, 2022, 09:55:09 PM »
There’s a small problem with the contention that the space station is anchored to the North Pole under the flat earth theory.  That’s the fallacy of the earth’s upward acceleration to ‘simulate’ gravity.  In order for the space station to maintain a tension on a rope attached to the North Pole there would have to be a rocket engine on the space station to also maintain an upwards acceleration.  I’ve never seen any evidence of a rocket exhaust in any of the pictures.  Clearly there’s humans aboard the space station because I’ve personally heard them on the HAM radio frequencies.

By this logic birthday balloons would not stay afloat. The dirigible-station sails the upper bounds of the atmoplain like a ship anchored in a bay.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 20, 2022, 06:51:47 PM »
Whilst you may think " . . . further(ing) flat-earth theory . . ." is facetious, its actually the only reason most roundies come on here.  The only way to prove a theory is to disprove the alternatives...

It may or may not surprise you to learn that many flat-earthers only come here to show round-earthers how extremely tenuous their grasp of their own theories are despite how dogmatically they cling to them.

"The only way to prove a theory is to disprove the alternatives..." smacks of a famous Doyle quote, "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." While this sounds erudite on the surface, a mere sophomoric understanding of rhetoric will reveal this quote for what it is; a parade down the avenue of arguments from ignorance. Not only does the Scientific Method not teach this but nether does the Zetetic Method. Furthermore, theories aren't meant to be proven or disproven they are a body of knowledge that explains something. Like how the Theory of Evolution is true but is still called a theory. It's a semantic misunderstanding.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 18, 2022, 10:27:58 PM »
Some additional feasibility considerations or questions to look into regarding the tethered theory would be:

Thank you for helping to further flat-earth theory. These questions will be looked into.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 15, 2022, 09:07:16 PM »
Cool. How might it work?

I don't know. But just as I don't need to know how my cell phone works to know that it works, I know that dirigibles exist and work. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 15, 2022, 04:15:37 PM »
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and hundreds of reasons to think it's not.
And yet you haven't mentioned one which stands up to any scrutiny at all.
If I declare something silly, for example, "The earth is round" then plug my ears and scream every time someone brings up evidence that contradicts my predetermined world-view, would you think I could say with integrity that there is no evidence that, "stands up to any scrutiny at all"?

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It's honestly silly that we are still talking about this in 2022.
Well, agreed there. The idea that the ISS is anchored to the North Pole is obviously ludicrous. How long is this tether supposed to be? What material is it made of which could be strong enough at that length? Why can't it be observed? Surely people close to the Arctic Circle would be able to see it? You have made an argument from incredulity and then presented an alternative idea which is (in my view although it is admittedly subjective) significantly more incredible and provided zero evidence for it.
I can honestly say that I don't know the answers to your questions. However, that is a good thing because rather than Googling searching something like "What is the ISS wingspan" then running back here and blindly parroting the answer after giving myself a "well-earned" pat-on-the-back for my extensive "research", I can say that I do not know and it's an area for further study.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 15, 2022, 04:04:57 PM »
The super powers of the world put down their weapons, all collaborated together to magically launch lego-esque space station parts, assembled them while careening around the earth at a blistering 17,000 miles per hour all in a weightless and airless environment completely hostile to human life. OR, that the space station is just a dirigible spinning around and anchored to the North Pole?

From an Occam's perspective, do you really think making a blimp travel at 17,000 MPH attached to a rope at the North Pole is the simpler explanation?

Yes. Easily.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 15, 2022, 04:04:18 PM »
Why? Could the tether not be slackened and tightened? Surely it is not beyond the grasp of humanity to adjust the length of a tether.

Why would that be done? To give the impression that is in orbit around a globe, even when it is not?

Yes.


Occam's Razor goes both ways. Either;

1. everyone involved in the ISS is either deliberately generating a fiction, manufacturing data, photos, videos, managing to make astronauts disappear from their families for months at a time, but set up comms where they 'look' weightless, but are in some form of simulation, or being duped by those who are generating this fiction .... OR

2. it's all real, and the sum total of 60+ years of orbital space flight and experience has gone into it.

Agree to disagree.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 14, 2022, 05:57:10 PM »
... no reason to think it's a space station and hundreds of reasons to think it's not. A simple application of Occam's Razor cuts this space station nonsense to ribbons. What's more likely? The super powers of the world put down their weapons, all collaborated together to magically launch lego-esque space station parts, assembled them while careening around the earth at a blistering 17,000 miles per hour all in a weightless and airless environment completely hostile to human life. OR, that the space station is just a dirigible spinning around and anchored to the North Pole?

If the latter, it would have to maintain the same distance from the North Pole in every sighting. But it does not.

Why? Could the tether not be slackened and tightened? Surely it is not beyond the grasp of humanity to adjust the length of a tether.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« on: April 14, 2022, 03:26:06 PM »
This photo has just been released of the ISS, taken from the ground in Germany

https://www.space.com/space-station-spacewalking-astronauts-telescope-photo

The structure of it is very clear and it claims to show one of the astronauts doing a spacewalk. It's admittedly just a dot, but what would you expect from that distance.

It's an interesting avenue of investigation for those of you who think the ISS is fake, there's clearly something up there and with not that expensive equipment you can see the structure of it from the ground. If it's not an orbiting space station then what is it, how did it get up there and what keeps it up there and travelling on the path it does?

Yes, there is clearly something up there but there is no reason to think it's a space station and hundreds of reasons to think it's not. A simple application of Occam's Razor cuts this space station nonsense to ribbons. What's more likely? The super powers of the world put down their weapons, all collaborated together to magically launch lego-esque space station parts, assembled them while careening around the earth at a blistering 17,000 miles per hour all in a weightless and airless environment completely hostile to human life. OR, that the space station is just a dirigible spinning around and anchored to the North Pole?

It's honestly silly that we are still talking about this in 2022.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: GOP are petulant crybabies
« on: April 08, 2022, 04:01:19 PM »
My next nominee must be from Iceland. No other person will do for me. It's Icelandic or else!

That's so racist.

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Petition to officially rename the IRC to the Blanko Memorial IRC and Crypto Investment Club.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Allow Markjo Lounge access
« on: February 10, 2022, 10:07:23 PM »
Who even originally led the rally to put Markjo in purgatory?

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