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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: January 25, 2014, 06:30:50 PM »
So they can smell the gold easier? ;D

What is the reason for not eating dairy product with meat products?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Show me proof of a flat earth.
« on: January 17, 2014, 02:49:46 PM »
Are you talking about Wernher Von Braun?  If you are, he claimed to be an honorary member of the SS and there is no substantial link between him and nazi war crimes other than that he witnessed them, was appalled by them, and was afraid to speak out about it.

Von Braun doesn't seem too appalled here by the atrocities of the concentration camps to me.

Using your own logic, you cannot take the word of the person giving the account.  This is because he admitted to sabotaging.  Therefore the person giving the account is lying in order to portray the Nazis in bad light and sabotage their movement.
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It was probably a stupid form of sabotage (because we in fact carried out much more elaborate forms of sabotage) by one of the deportees on night shift.

The man giving the account was an admitted saboteur.  Therefore anything he says cannot be trusted.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Show me proof of a flat earth.
« on: January 17, 2014, 02:37:11 PM »
The Germans already had the NASA prototype in 1929. Go figure.


What is that some sort of music video?
I don't know what the music is. The video is 1929 science fiction movie from the silent movie era.  This movie almost looks like a NASA launch.
Oh so completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Show me proof of a flat earth.
« on: January 17, 2014, 03:40:39 AM »
The Germans already had the NASA prototype in 1929. Go figure.


What is that some sort of music video? 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Show me proof of a flat earth.
« on: January 15, 2014, 08:44:05 PM »
There is ample evidence of a flat earth.  Use your eyes. 

The lack of evidence, in my experience, is on the spherical earth side.  "The eye can't perceive the curvature because it's too gradual" sounds good and all, but isn't it easier to simply call it what it is?  Flat.

Every locally observable piece of 'evidence' for a spherical earth could just as easily apply to a flat one.  I simply prefer to call things as I see them.
What about the "globular" or "planar" pieces of evidence?  Which model do those support?

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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the bitcoin algorithms serve any useful function, other than wasting CPU cycles?
They actually mine coinye coins and send them to the developers.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is it possible to prove a negative?
« on: January 13, 2014, 06:56:09 AM »
The original claim was that gravity varied over the surface of the earth.  It was supported by a gravity map.  This piece of evidence was disputed by you with your aforementioned claims that you knew that it was uncontrolled.  When asked to back your claims up, you shouted "negative claim!" And tried to shift the burden to the others who were questioning your claim.  This is where the issue lies.  ALL claims Ned to be supported.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is it possible to prove a negative?
« on: January 13, 2014, 05:01:45 AM »
Except that the claim was this.

All measurements are experiments. The gravity space missions were uncontrolled. It does not conform to the scientific method, which demands that trials are controlled. Trying to pass off something uncontrolled and unscientific as scientific is reprehensible. I would suggest that you and the 'scientists' at NASA go back to middle school and learn some science.

I've read all about the gravity space experiments. No controls were used what-so-ever. The data could have been controlled by repeating the experiment numerous times with different kinds of gravimeters, to see if the results changed over time or from device to device. Both land and space and land measurements could have been taken simultaneously to ensure a proper reading. Instruments used to test the strength of the earth's magnetic field could have been included in the system.

1. I know that earth based gravimeters have not been used to verify satellite based measurements because no such trials have been associated with the data.

I believe this is the point that people started questioning the veracity of your stance.  You did not provide where you looked and acquired this knowledge.  You then started to claim that you did not need to back up a negative claim.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is it possible to prove a negative?
« on: January 13, 2014, 03:12:59 AM »
What are you talking about? We're talking about the absence of evidence. The absence of evidence argument is used to disprove the boogeyman in your example:  "Therefore, I conclude that there is not enough evidence to confirm the existence of a boogeyman."

So, is absence of evidence a perfectly fine rebuttal now?
When you have searched the likely places for that evidence if it were to exist.  We have already been over that.

Looking in your briefcase for documents on a satellite does not meet this standard.  The documents, if they existed are not likely to be in your briefcase.

Looking on a website dedicated to the existence of bogeymen and explaining the pictures would.  The evidence of bogeymen, if it were to exist, would likely be located on a website dedicated to the existence of bogeymen.

I really don't know how you are not getting that point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence#Absence_of_evidence

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in the absence of evidence rendering the existence of some entity probable, we are justified in believing that it does not exist, provided that (1) it is not something that might leave no traces and (2) we have comprehensively surveyed the area where the evidence would be found if the entity existed...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is it possible to prove a negative?
« on: January 13, 2014, 02:52:23 AM »
Who said anything about a child's drawing?  I said pictures. Or should I have been more exact for your pedantic self and said photographic pictures?.  And note, person 2 collected the pictures.  He supplied support for his claim.

Also, if Person 2 did refute a child's drawing and came to the conclusion, Person 1 would say that Person 2 did not sufficiently meet the burden of proof.

Posting a few photographs from the internet and explaining them as the result of over exposure or other photograph issues does not prove that the boogeyman does not exist.

The absence of evidence argument is used to disprove the boogeyman in your example:  "Therefore, I conclude that there is not enough evidence to confirm the existence of a boogeyman."
The point is that Person 2 went and did the legwork to back up his claim.  If Person 1 wants to refute that claim with another claim, Person 1 needs to do the legwork.  Person 2 cannot just say, The bogeyman does not exist, prove me wrong as you seem to think you can by making negative claims without backing them up.

Otherwise it turns into a school yard spat
Person 1: The bogeyman doesn't exist
Person 2: Yes he does, here is a picture of him
Person 1: That in not a real picture of the bogeyman
Person 2: Yes it is, why isn't it real?
Person 1: I don't have to tell you, I gave a negative claim
Person 2: But why isn't it real?
Person 1: Negative claim
Etc.

As has been shown, ALL claims need to be supported.  Do you really need me to go look up the link that specifically states so again?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is it possible to prove a negative?
« on: January 12, 2014, 09:09:56 PM »
I see.

Person 1: Does the boogeyman exist?

Person 2: No...

Person 1: Ha! You just claimed that the boogeyman doesn't exist! Now you have to prove it!
Person 2: Here are some reported pictures of the boogey man.  This is why they are not genuine.  All pictures that have been reported of the boogeyman have been looked at and determined to be either faked or a case of mistaken identity.  Therefore, I conclude that there is not enough evidence to confirm the existence of a boogeyman.  Because these pictures are the most likely source of proof of the boogey man, I have concluded that the boogeyman does not exist.

That's an "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" argument.
No Tom, that's called "refuting evidence".  Person 2 collected evidence and then showed why that evidence is not valid.

Person 1 did not present any evidence. If Person 2 collects a child's drawing of the boogeyman from the internet and criticizes it, it is not a "refutation of evidence".

The absence of evidence argument is explicit:  "Therefore, I conclude that there is not enough evidence to confirm the existence of a boogeyman."
Who said anything about a child's drawing?  I said pictures. Or should I have been more exact for your pedantic self and said photographic pictures?.  And note, person 2 collected the pictures.  He supplied support for his claim.

Also, if Person 2 did refute a child's drawing and came to the conclusion, Person 1 would say that Person 2 did not sufficiently meet the burden of proof.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is it possible to prove a negative?
« on: January 12, 2014, 04:23:56 PM »
I see.

Person 1: Does the boogeyman exist?

Person 2: No...

Person 1: Ha! You just claimed that the boogeyman doesn't exist! Now you have to prove it!
Person 2: Here are some reported pictures of the boogey man.  This is why they are not genuine.  All pictures that have been reported of the boogeyman have been looked at and determined to be either faked or a case of mistaken identity.  Therefore, I conclude that there is not enough evidence to confirm the existence of a boogeyman.  Because these pictures are the most likely source of proof of the boogey man, I have concluded that the boogeyman does not exist.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Sleep Cycles
« on: January 11, 2014, 08:59:57 PM »
If you aren't against it, I recommend zzzquil.  http://zzzquil.com/faq/
I took it the first couple weeks when I got shifted to night shift.  Just to get my sleep cycle to something normal

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: You are selfish.
« on: January 10, 2014, 04:07:30 PM »
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3.   People in love – In a situation where a mother would sacrifice her life to save her child, the mother is not necessarily being selfless. At this point I would like to introduce something I have labeled “The happiness threshold”. It could very well be called the suicide threshold, but I am an optimist. Any level of personal satisfaction above the threshold represents a desire to live and experience perception. Anything below the threshold represents a lack of desire to live; it is a desire to die. A mother who lets herself die to save her child is gambling that if she were to let her child die, she would dip below the happiness threshold and experience overall dissatisfaction. She is gambling that life would not be worth living. She is making a decision based on her own desires and satisfaction.

He knew that his life would not be worth living if he had just run and let the car hit his son.  It was covered in the OP.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: You are selfish.
« on: January 10, 2014, 03:51:31 PM »
I have an exception.

I was in London waiting for someone a few weeks ago. A man placed his half eaten lunch into a street bin. A homeless guy came and fished it out and then ate it.
The homeless man benefitted and the guy putting his stuff in the bin helped him, without any benefit to himself.

The Op is basically just word games.
He also threw it in the trash bin because he wanted to keep his city clean.

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Technology & Information / Re: Windows 8.1 update
« on: January 10, 2014, 01:03:40 AM »
Normally I agree, however going from 8 to 8.1 is pretty similar to installing a service pack. 
Except UEFI doesn't prevent you from installing service packs.

Except we still haven't heard back from Thork about making sure windows was all up to date.  I have done a basic search on it and haven't found any information about hybrid drives and windows 8.1.

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Technology & Information / Re: Windows 8.1 update
« on: January 09, 2014, 05:21:10 AM »
Normally I agree, however going from 8 to 8.1 is pretty similar to installing a service pack.  It is not like installing 8 over a 7 install.

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Technology & Information / Re: Windows 8.1 update
« on: January 09, 2014, 12:34:38 AM »
So it seems that the issue is with hybrid drives?  Since UEFI is automatically turned on, it should already be on correct? (I am assuming that it is a 64 bit system since it is a new laptop)

I do know when I tried upgrading my win 8 to 8.1 on my laptop, (it is only 3-4 months old) I needed to run a bunch of windows updates before 8.1 appeared in the store.

Have you tried that?

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Technology & Information / Re: Windows 8.1 update
« on: January 08, 2014, 11:30:47 PM »
That sounds like more of a manufacturer issue than a Microsoft issue.  BIOS are configured from the factory not based on what OS you install. 

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: My Simulation Hypothesis
« on: January 07, 2014, 11:24:14 PM »
Thork is right about modern atheists.  You can claim that you aren't part of the movement all you want, but when you start quoting Dawkins and Hitchens and (a new favorite, it seems) Krauss in your support of the evils of religion, you are a new atheist like it or not.  And most modern atheists get a hard-on at the mere mention of any one of those names.


But yes.  Let's not make this thread about Thork.  Back to the topic at hand.

I don't think it's as simple as the Matrix or Tron.  I think our simulation runs far deeper than both of those.  In both of those pieces, the laws of physics in the simulations were at least approximations of the laws of physics in the "real" world, and I believe that we have at best a very rudimentary set of rules that we interpret as the laws of physics.


Well I guess my question about if it was more like Tron or Matrix was that whether the creators even know the simulation is running.  For example, if my memory serves me correctly since it has been YEARS since I have seen Tron, the programs existed inside the computer and ran around and did things unbeknownst to the creator, until they brought the creator into the simulation. 

Or more like the Matrix where the simulation is running because the creators specifically created it for a specific purpose.  Not specifically to keep human batteries, but for some purpose unbeknownst to the entities within the simulation.

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