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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Horizon is Always at Eye Level
« on: April 25, 2018, 09:37:28 PM »
Define "eye-level".

And also, we've discussed this at length before and the flat earthers didn't understand any of the evidence presented.

Wasn't there an experiment performed a short while ago that soundly disproved this, using a u-tube filled with coloured water?


2362
I'm starting to think alot of Round Heads are Liberals ...

Only the American ones?

2363
Tom, we're up to 12 pages now, and as far as I can see, there's NOBODY who even slightly agrees with you.

Don't you think this might be telling you .... something?

2364
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream
« on: April 25, 2018, 11:57:45 AM »
...  it is obviously CGI. It's just another plot by nasa to convert us to Globeheads.

Why is it "obvious"?

Given that it takes Hollywood studios months to generate the SFX to go into their blockbusters, dontcha find it a bit improbable that NASA and the other ISS agencies (you do know what the 'I' stands for, don't you?) would be able to churn this out every day, day after day....?

2365
Flat Earth Theory / Re: Celebrity chef involved in faking space travel
« on: April 25, 2018, 09:23:42 AM »
This isn't really a debate topic
Astutely observed. Treep is a fairly transparent troll who does not appear to be interested in debate.

... and that's petty name-calling. The type of thing a moderator would be likely to take a globe-earther to task for.

Treep seems to be on-topic every time, as far as I can see. Not troll-like behaviour at all.

2366
Equinox is just the sun passing the equatorial plane, its not a fixed point.

... as shown by the equinoxes shown over two days in the illustration which started this thread.

2367
Flat Earth Theory / Re: Question from a physicist
« on: April 25, 2018, 08:02:01 AM »
Wait, I've thought that we understand gravity very well... What did I miss?

Most every flattie on YouTube, who thinks gravity is "just an unproven theory"

2368
Not needed. Look below.
VID

It's a 7 year long research done by many scientists to find the real shape of our earth. They're either all very good liars or we actually live on a flat earth where  BIGGER LIERS  have constructed a false "Global" reality to hid something from us.  I wouldn't be surpised, ONE BIG LIE (Moon landing) and all the puffed up pride  has just led to series of lies that have gone too far (that's it's not funny anymore).

See my responses on the other threads where you posted this mockumentary

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The length of the day on a flat earth
« on: April 25, 2018, 07:32:01 AM »
(Since you posted the video to two threads, I repeat what I said on the other ..)

Here you go.
VID

It's a 7 year long research done by many scientists to find the real shape of our earth.

There's no proof they are or were "scientists". No statement of qualifications, no indication of what work they've done, etc.

They're either all very good liars or we actually live on a flat earth where  BIGGER LIERS  have constructed a false "Global" reality to hid something from us.  I wouldn't be surpised, ONE BIG LIE (Moon landing) and all the puffed up pride  has just led to series of lies that have gone too far (that's it's not funny anymore).

It's a mockumentary. A Spinal Tap for flat-earthers.

A bunch of high-profile FEers on YouTube mirrored it on the day of release, and within a couple of days, they'd pulled it because they realised they'd been had.

Look on YouTube. Not hard to find retractions and backpedalling.

It supposedly took 7 years to make, but nobody ages during this.
At one point, they claim a reading of 15 km, but this is voiced over a display which shows 1.5km
It even has a Cast List in the end credits, and most of the cast seem to be the extended family of the lead role.
The lead role has intitials 'UFO'
Googling provides NO data for any of the cast, apart from the 'Music Critic' listed. Wouldn't you expect SOMETHING about them, IF they were real scientists ...?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat earth map is wrong
« on: April 25, 2018, 07:26:40 AM »
Here you go.
VID

It's a 7 year long research done by many scientists to find the real shape of our earth.

There's no proof they are or were "scientists". No statement of qualifications, no indication of what work they've done, etc.

They're either all very good liars or we actually live on a flat earth where  BIGGER LIERS  have constructed a false "Global" reality to hid something from us.  I wouldn't be surpised, ONE BIG LIE (Moon landing) and all the puffed up pride  has just led to series of lies that have gone too far (that's it's not funny anymore).

It's a mockumentary. A Spinal Tap for flat-earthers.

A bunch of high-profile FEers on YouTube mirrored it on the day of release, and within a couple of days, they'd pulled it because they realised they'd been had.

Look on YouTube. Not hard to find retractions and backpedalling.

It supposedly took 7 years to make, but nobody ages during this.
At one point, they claim a reading of 15 km, but this is voiced over a display which shows 1.5km
It even has a Cast List in the end credits, and most of the cast seem to be the extended family of the lead role.
The lead role has intitials 'UFO'
Googling provides NO data for any of the cast, apart from the 'Music Critic' listed. Wouldn't you expect SOMETHING about them, IF they were real scientists ...?

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The Mean Solar Day does not fit into the number of Mean Solar Days in a Mean Solar Year.
The Mean Solar Day is 24 Hours Per Day and the Mean Solar Year is 365.24217 Mean Solar Days.

Of course it won't 365.24 days is not a whole number of days. It matters not whether there are 24 hours in the day or not, if you define a year as 365.24 days, then a whole number of days does not 'fit'.

The clue is in the 0.24.

Over four years, the 0.24s are accumulated into an extra 0.96 or so (4*0.24), and this forms the extra day of the leap year.

2372
You are showing me systems and numbers that are not based on multiples.

You're cherry-picking your systems to only select those which fit your needs.

2373
What IS the problem?

2374
I'm not manipulating anything. You will get whole numbers from units in measuring systems that are based on multiples.

... if you pick the multiples to fit the result you want

1 Barrel = 36 Gallons
1 Gallon = 4 Quarts

In this measuring system 4 and 36 share a common factor.

36 Gallons / 4 Quarts = 9. Whole Number. 4 will fit into 36. This fluid measuring system is constant (at least between these two entities).

Now:

1 Year = 360 Days
1 Day = 24 Hours

360 Days / 24 Hours = 15. Whole Number. 24 will fit into 360. This measurement system is constant.

Congratulations. You have calculated that one twenty-fourth of 360 = 15. Nothing else.


1 pound = 20 shillings
1 shilling = 12 pence

20/12 = 1.66666

What does this tell you? That British currency is/was not a 'constant' system? What does that even mean, outwith your own head?

1 mile = 8 furlongs
1 furlong = 10 chains
1 chain = 66 feet
1 foot = 12 inches

Take your pick of which one you would divide by which other (8/12? 10/12? 66/12?), for I think everyone except you has lost track of what point you think you're making....

2375
Hundreds upon thousands of astronomers and others in related disciplines have looked at the relative motions of Sun, Earth and Moon over hundreds, or thousands of years.

Their work has been distilled into hundreds, possibly thousands of textbooks, and many of them have used optical instruments and high-level maths in preference to napkins and simple arithmetic.

Rather than using a school-level diagram as your starting point, why not start with a trip to your local library, and peruse some of these textbooks? Rather than using a napkin, look at what astronomers have used, and still use, for their empirical observations.

Your go-to response is to refer globe-earthers to one book, and one book only - ENaG.   I refer you to hundreds, possibly thousands, which deal with this matter, in libraries all over the world.

Surely you won't conclude that you're right, and they're all wrong?

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It is a good measuring system which gives consistent results when you manipulate it in this fashion.

So you're manipulating the numbers to get the result you want?

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It doesn't matter what you call the units, or the history on how it was defined. The numbers are multiples and therefore can be divided to get whole numbers.

If we had a system that was composed of multiples of 8 it would work as well.

1 SuperLegoBlock = 64 MegaLegoBlocks
1 MediumLegoBlock = 16 SmallLegoBlocks

64 MegaLegoBlocks / 16 SmallLegoBlocks = 4. Whole number.

It doesn't matter what you call it. 64 and 16 share a common multiple. Different "units" of this measuring system can be divided in this manner.

360 and 24 share a common multiple, and so these units, whatever you call them, can be divided. This measuring system is based on multiples. You can call it the Lego Block Measuring System or the Piles of Popcorn Measuring System. It is a good measuring system which gives consistent results when you manipulate it in this fashion.

Great, you've discovered multiplication tables and such. 

Tell us what bearing this has upon the rotational duration of the Earth and its orbit around the Sun.

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You are saying that it's a "coincidence" that 360 is a multiple of 24.

No, I think you picked those figures to fit your calculation. No coincidence involved, other than in your head

But the reason for defining it that way doesn't matter. It's a multiple.

It's not just meaningless numbers being divided together.

That's exactly what it is

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I will attempt an explanation.

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Step 1.

If you take a circle that is 360 degrees around and imagine that each of those degrees had 24 sub units in it (lets call them Sub-Degrees), 24 Sub-Degrees should fit neatly into the 360 degree circle.

Yes, (24*360) 8640 of them will. 24 sub-degrees still only fills one degree, though.

360 degrees / 24 sub-degrees = 15

Only an integer because you've picked two numbers which neatly fit. 36/24 = 1.5, so 360/24 = 15.

One twenty-fourth of 360 is 15.  24 times 15 = 360. So what?   


 

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The reason for my example with dollars, dimes and the example with pennies and with miles, feet, and inches work to get whole numbers is because both are constant measuring systems.

...and our system of seconds, minutes, hours, days, etc isn't?

One works on multiples of 10 and the other system works on multiples of 8 (there is also the furlong between the gap of feet and miles, but no one uses that anymore).

Actually, someone does. Horse races are measured in furlongs.

My examples make sense.

There are many here who disagree


A large number of feet should divide into a whole number of inches.

etc etc

The whole cycle, seasons and all, should be divisible by the hour.

Why? Says who, apart from you?

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