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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The ISS - Who Should I believe?
« on: September 04, 2021, 04:54:13 PM »
Those are some great photos but what do they prove? They, alone, cannot prove that the ISS is a real "spaceship" with people onboard ...

So ... the natural thing to do is consider the other evidence apart from the photos, surely?

The videos of spacewalks and other activities.
Ham radio enthusiasts communicating with the occupants as it passes overhead
Photos of it in transit over the Moon
Personal observations of it from the surface of the Earth, sometimes twice in one evening
Personal accounts from both professional astronauts and private travellers who paid handsomely for the chance to go there
etc
etc

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Help me understand how light rays travel
« on: September 01, 2021, 10:21:54 PM »
"Just draw half a rainbow (more or less the actual path light travels through the air) from the top of the mountain to your head on the ship."

... but the other guy asked you to DRAW it, not describe what to draw...

Can you draw it on a piece of paper, and scan it, or draw it in a drawing program or app?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: August 30, 2021, 04:52:49 PM »
an apologist for everything Trump did.

What exactly did Trump do? I'd be interested to know the terrible things he did. Based on his actions and policies, I'd say he was a reasonably good president. I mean, he didn't surrender to the Taliban and leave £billions of military hardware in Afghanistan. He didn't read everything from a teleprompter and only take questions from pre-selected journalists. He knew what day of the week it was.

Tell me ... what was the terrible thing Trump did?

Spent almost one-quarter of his presidency away from the office, on his golf courses, charging the American taxpayer for his own secret service detail to be accommodated there. Was nowhere to be seen during lame duck period. There was, and still is, a pandemic raging, and he wasn't going to accomplish anything by schmoozing with his buddies on the course, or at the nineteenth hole.

Do we need to point out how he favoured Fox and OANN in the briefing room? "Didn't favour certain journalists", my a*se...

How many times did he do phone-ins with Fox and OANN, compared with MSNBC, CNN etc. ? 

He wanted to leave a ship of COVID patients moored offshore to keep the numbers of onshore cases down.

He mismanaged the pandemic. He shredded a bucketload of worthwhile environmental legislation, for no good reason than Obama had legislated it. The prime driver behind his presidency seemed to be revenge on Obama for embarassing him at the correspondents' dinner.

"He knew what day it was" - especially at the weekend. See above

etc

etc
 

 


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Something odd about magnets
« on: August 26, 2021, 10:29:41 PM »
How did you establish that they're FE'ers? Do you just take the word of anyone with a YouTube channel for granted?

If they claim to be Flat-Earthers, have a channel or a number of video titles with the words "Flat Earth" in them, and regular argue that the Earth is Flat, then what else should I take them to be?    Dog-groomers?  Telephone hygienists?

They openly state what they want to be known as, and regularly argue as such, so why would I take them for anything else?


Here's a suggestion: if you want to ask those people about their alleged views, and debate their beliefs, perhaps you should consider asking them, not us? I'm not too fussed about you wasting your time on this, but you're also wasting ours, and that's not great.

I'm not asking you anything about them. I didn't ask you or anyone else anything about them above. 

I'm already active over there. I don't need to be told whether or not I should, or want, to engage with them.

Regicide said "Many Flat Earthers", xasop asked for the source for this, and I suggested that it could be read as I stated above, that the "many" includes numbers outwith your group here. 

I didn't ask you or anyone else anything about it.


I realise full well you folks want to be seen as a breed apart from the "run-of-the-mill flat-earthers" that inhabit YouTube and other places, but you might just have to accept that in the eyes of the general populace, you're all one generic group ....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Something odd about magnets
« on: August 26, 2021, 09:31:25 AM »
Many Flat Earthers reject the existence of gravity because they don’t believe that there can be an invisible force- they ask for someone, anyone, to show them gravity.
Do they? Do you have a source for this?

You didn't ask me, but;

YouTube is a beanfeast of Flat-Earthers who deny the existence of gravity. I can show you them if you really want me to.

For "many FEers" in the above quote, you could read "many FEers outwith this small subset at TFES"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 25, 2021, 02:11:01 PM »
They eschew alcohol, tobacco, porn, and drugs.  ...  Those are things historically considered to be degenerate.

Remind us all, what was Jesus' miracle at Cana ???

Turning the water into wine, or the wine into water?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Need Help - Blurry Picture posts
« on: August 20, 2021, 11:00:04 AM »
I would suggest you post them anyway.

If the source pic is clear, anyone who wants to see the detail can right-click on the image in the thread, select "Copy image address" from the pop-up menu, and open a new tab with that URL to browse the image directly.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 14, 2021, 11:14:15 PM »
So you begin a rigorous recruitment process from the air force to find the absolute best of the best ... and you pick 3 guys who don't like communicating?

Michael Collins covers this in his biography; in the main, they were recruited from a pool of test pilots.

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we weren't trained to emote, we were trained to repress our emotions, lest they interfere with our duties. If they wanted an emotional press conference, they should have assembled an Apollo 11 crew from a philosopher, Priest and a poet - not three test pilots.
 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 10, 2021, 09:37:06 AM »
I have no problem with the 'space' part.

Hmmm.

Just yesterday, you said "I don't trust anything they say. ", so ... unless this is some attempt at humour ("There's space between their ears"), you don't seem able to make up your mind.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?
« on: August 09, 2021, 10:26:55 PM »
No, not just NASA. There's a lot of creeps out there grifting their asses off.

Are you going to provide any proof of this, or are we expected to just take your word for it?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?
« on: August 09, 2021, 09:52:15 PM »
NASA's pictures are clearly paintings as they depict things which are impossible. Sorry.

Just NASA's?

What about Roscosmos, ESA, JAXA, and all the others?

SpaceX, Astra .... even Red Bull.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 09, 2021, 09:40:22 PM »
I don't trust anything they say. Whatever it is they've said, I don't trust it. I think they lie about everything in order to keep us paying them billions of dollars. They're a demonic bunch of grifters if you ask me.

This is just same old, same old unsubstantiated mud-slinging. "FE Nouveaux" as Pete called it.

NASA is the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

Is it just the "space" part you disbelieve, or do you reckon they're pulling the wool over your eyes in aeronautics too?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 09, 2021, 09:24:50 PM »
I'd love to hear what the MyPillow employees think about this.

How would you feel if you were working there, and every time you turn on the news, the CEO isn't running the company, isn't promoting the company, doesn't seem to be doing anything connected with the company......?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?
« on: August 09, 2021, 09:14:33 PM »
See, this is always the problem with RE zealots - they are oh-so-keen to disprove their own imagination of what FET is, in the absence of actually understanding what they're so confidently opposing.

Rebuttal;

In this very thread, we have the FE-er who repeats the tired old line of NASA pictures being "paintings". Straight out of the Eric Dubay/Beyond the Imaginary Curve/Flatzoid FE (FE Nouveaux?) script of stock YouTuber responses.

NASA guy says that some of their work is composites, with a full images assembled from component photographs, and this is somehow conflated to all NASA images being "paintings". There's some over-active imagining here, too....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?
« on: August 09, 2021, 09:08:03 PM »
They're paintings. The ones of the wall are photos.

Not a painting;



Nor this;



Nor this;



There's thousands more from various angles at

https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?
« on: August 09, 2021, 02:16:30 PM »
Google's full of pictures of the ice wall, watchatalkinabout?

It's also full of pictures showing a globe, taken from various sources. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 09, 2021, 01:52:04 PM »
I believe he sent up balloon rockets called 'rockoons'.

In the early 1950s, which were reaching a height of around 122km. This was the initial phase of his work.

The inner VAB starts around 1,000km. So he had to place his equipment aboard military, at first, and later NASA rocketry to achieve these heights, in the later phase of his work. You're quoting stuff from the early phases as if it were final and conclusive. It wasn't.

His findings as provided to NASA were quoted above, and as you can see, he was of the opinion that the risks from VAB exposure were minimal.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 09, 2021, 01:18:28 PM »
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He didn't send his own rockets up.

How do you think the equipment got into the belts, other than by sending rockets into them?

He was working with a university I thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_3

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 09, 2021, 01:09:55 PM »
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OK, you accept that NASA sent up the Explorer rockets with Van Allen's equipment in the first place, but disbelieve them when they state what was actually measured during the Apollo missions.

No, I don't believe I do. I thought Dr. Van Allen was working independently.

He didn't send his own rockets up.

How do you think the equipment got into the belts, other than by sending rockets into them?

You said the geiger counter overloaded. What do you think was carrying the geiger counter into that region of the belts?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 09, 2021, 12:39:13 PM »
We're talking the sort of radiation that at the very least would have you spewing all over the controls in the CM. Certainly enough that would fry you very quickly.

'Our measurements show that the maximum radiation level as of 1958 is equivalent to between 10 and 100 roentgens per hour, depending on the still undetermined proportion of protons to electrons. Since a human being exposed for two days to even 10 roentgens would have only an even chance of survival, the radiation belts obviously present an obstacle to space flight' James Van Allen

OK, you accept that NASA sent up the Explorer rockets with Van Allen's equipment in the first place, but disbelieve them when they state what was actually measured during the Apollo missions.

And then you quote from Van Allen's preliminary work, from 11 years before Apollo 11; as if things weren't further quantified after that.... you quoted him from 1958, and

"The resulting radiation exposure for the round trip was less than 1% of a fatal dosage – a very minor risk among the far greater other risks of such flights. I made such estimates in the early 1960s and so informed NASA engineers who were planning the Apollo flights. These estimates are still reliable.""

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