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Messages - Pete Svarrior

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BillO, out of curiosity, what do you think "digital art" entails?

Since I have not done that why would I bother?
Well, you did claim that your brand of "science" is "science as practiced by you know actual scientists". I'm glad you now realise that was incorrect. I guesss this is a special case of you using words without knowing what they mean.

You can make the case for that if you like, I doubt you will do so and my "brand" of science is science as practiced by you know actual scientists.
To support your claim, please name 3 scientists who follow the approach of "just state any old shit and claim that 'all the data shows it' without providing any evidence".

If the universe, even if its a multi-verse, is everything than everything is natural.
It is a good idea to understand the words you use before you use them.

I really like GauGAN2 (and its descendant, Nvidia Canvas) for that kind of purpose.

Like, that's pretty damn cool. If you need a random backdrop for a larger art piece, you can now specify the rough shape of the scenery.

However, the real patrons of visual art will not be interested in hanging some AI produced soulless image on their walls.
I mean, you're obviously correct there. However, I still worry that this changes the threat model for potential artists. Currently, you'll either make it big or you'll live an OK life producing art for commercial use - the kind that doesn't appeal to "the real patrons", but which clearly has its place in the world.

If AI were to take that segment over, your threat model becomes "you'll either make it big, or, uh, enjoy wasting half of your life becoming an expert at something nobody wants". How many people are going to take that risk?

As for where this is going, I have no more idea than anyone else.  However its interesting to note that self driving cars was thought to be pretty doable, we'll have this working in just a few years.  But it turns out its a lot harder than originally thought.  It would not surprise me if we find that creating art (as something that inspires that touches people etc) is in a similar class.
This is an interesting point, and of course part of the issue here is that "art" is a very broad spectrum of things, ranging from works meant to inspire to more mundane things like, I dunno, the cover image for an opinion piece on a news site.

That latter half of the spectrum is important, because it's a somewhat reliable source of income. It's a safety net for someone who wants to get into (visual) arts - maybe they'll make it big, or maybe they'll live a comfortable enough life creating something that might not make them the next Michaelangelo, but which provides clear value to society. In my opinion, it's that safety net that's currently at risk.

To try and illustrate that point, here are a couple of AI-generated oil paintings of Trump, currently on fire*:

Now, is this revolutionary art that's going to inspire generations? Of course not. But could it be used as the cover of the next WaPo article about how Trump is a criminal? Yeah, probably. So, if an idiot like me can spit that out of a generator without having to pay for a stock photo or a comissioned art piece, what's stopping large companies from never commissioning artwork again?

* - I should note that while DALL-E 2 is supposed to be restricted from generating images relating to real people, those restrictions are terrible.

I do feel a little uneasy about it, but more from the point of view of consequences than fairness.

Is it fair to the human artists? I have no idea. Do I worry that it could severely reduce the output of human artists (and, consequently, providing no new art for the AIs to learn from)? Yeah.

Honestly, Roundy is right, with the usual provisos of "not all men", "not all women", etc. Consequently, the solution is not to round up all gay people, but rather to launch a National Sex Register and round up all people who have sex too often.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 12, 2022, 08:17:50 PM »
I get it, you've been subjected to the same indoctrination that we all have. That The Thin Blue Line protects us from the murderers, rapist, robbers, liberals, socialist, homosexuals other freaks that are ready to destroy our world. It's part of what the corrupt law enforcement uses to keep us in line.
Lol, my dude, I'm pretty firmly against policing as a concept. I'm more radical than you can hope to ever be. Tubular, even.

That doesn't mean I'm an advocate for setting one's testicles on fire, which you appear to be in favour of.

You think this is about someone's sense of righteousness?
Of course not! It would be very unkind of me to project my thoughts onto you. I merely trust that you didn't lie to me when you explained your goals.

And it just so happens that your goals are antithetical to anything that's good in this world. Fix it.

Instead of defunding the police, maybe we should just call it an extreme retraining and re-budgeting of resources.
A good first step towards fixing it. Now you just need to realise that you've done much more than reword your ideas. You fundamentally changed them to no longer be immediately disastrous. Lots of work yet to do, but lots of progress made.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 12, 2022, 06:31:28 PM »
I disagree.  I think using police budget for retaining and training people who are not there to fight, shoot, or restle people but convince them to to stop peacefully... Is a good idea.
I should have spoken more clearly, and that's on me.

I think there is plenty of room for reform in American police departments. However, if the question is "defund or not?", my answer is "not". I believe there is no alternative to that answer to that specific question. If you expand the question to what Dr Van Drugs posited - "would you rather defund the police or do nothing?" - then my answer is "do nothing", because "defiunding the police" is only going to make things much worse.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 12, 2022, 06:21:29 PM »
If it fucks up, we'll try something else. If that fucks up, we'll try something else.
That's generously assuming you're still alive to try, or that you have enough of a societal framework reamining for that to make any sense. Your plans are likely to make that no longer the case, so we won't be trying them, thanks.

If it was your town, you would just deal with it?
Yes, because I have no alternative available, and just making things worse because at least we're doing something is a fantastic way of increasing misery in the world. I'm a big fan of not fucking up the world just to appease my sense of righteousness.

This is why I hope that the "dEfUnD tHe PoLiCe" idiots never gain any ground. Luckily, they're very unlikely to.

Technology & Information / Re: Steam Deck
« on: August 12, 2022, 05:39:58 PM »
So, I've had a little play, and so far I'm pretty happy. It's not breaking any new ground - it's just a small PC running what looks to be a derivative of Arch Linux, with a reasonable Steam UI on top of it.

One thing I do really appreciate, though, is the fact that they give you a simple way to drop out of the "games console" UI straight into a bog standard desktop environment. If you want a root password, you just set one and off you go. It doesn't feel like it's trying to stop you from using it in creative ways, and I really like that. I expect that as I get more comfortable with it, I'll come up with use cases that weren't originally intended, and the fact that Valve are happy to step out of the way and let me use my hardware is honestly a breath of fresh air.

As a gaming machine, it's competent, but nothing to rave about. You get a screen of reasonable resolution for its size, and a controller that, well, controls games. I realise this may sound like I'm punching it down, but that's not at all my intention. On the gaming front, it just does its job - nothing more, nothing less.

So far, I'd recommend it. If that suddenly changes, I'll make sure to post an update.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 12, 2022, 12:44:10 PM »
So tell us, you know a lot about what won't work. What would be your plan for dealing with a heavily armed police presence, protected by Republicans and police unions that are harassing good people while the criminals run rampant?
I don't have one. Shit's fucked. But I also don't pretend to have a revolutionary plan that will Totally Work™.

Revolutionary plans that will Totally Work™ are dangerous, because they're a fantastic way to make things much worse. Friends don't let friends spread that kinda BS.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 12, 2022, 08:38:48 AM »
The municipality would simply dismantle the police department and rebuild a new one with a new name, new charter and new people.
So uh, just fire everyone and start hiring from scratch? In a field that's chronically understaffed and which keeps getting forced to lower its standards further and further just to keep the headcount at a reasonable level?

"lmao just get rid of everyone and then use our infinite pool of resources to build a new system"

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 11, 2022, 04:20:22 PM »
Defund the police doesn't mean we won't have police. It means we're going to stop paying these assholes and come up with a different vendor.
A different vendor than the government? Presumably that means you're in favour of private policing (if not, what's the alternative?). That sounds like a fantastic way to make things much worse.

Technology & Information / Re: Steam Deck
« on: August 09, 2022, 08:00:33 AM »
Which model did you get?
512GB. It should be getting here any day now!!1!

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Buy Illegal Abortion
« on: August 08, 2022, 07:12:27 AM »
Fixed the title for U guyzzzz.
If you post like this once more in PR&S or other upper fora, it's off to the shadow realm with you.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians
« on: August 04, 2022, 11:43:58 PM »
Maybe you just went to a really shitty school?
It doesn't take that much effort to find an American sporting a "BACK-TO-BACK WORLD WAR WINNERS!!1!!!" t-shirt with a bald eagle carrying 5 guns in the background. They sell them at WalMart, and cheaply.

Perhaps you just live in an extremely sheltered part of the country? As a litmus test - how surprised were you by Trump's 2016 election?

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