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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 02, 2022, 10:07:04 PM »

^ITT thread, AATW posts a source claiming abortion = murder.

Thanks, AATW!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 02, 2022, 09:14:36 PM »

Trump must've been riding in the front seat to pull off this one.

Per protocol, right?

The reports, whether true or not, is that he was in the second row behind the driver and was lunging toward the front seat driver.

The normal presidential 'beast' limo has a glass divider between the front seats and rear. Apparently, only the President has a button to lower it.

However, the Chevy SUV version of the beast that Trump was in I don't think has a divider.

All presidential limos have a divider. They are all secure and the dividers cannot be breached by the rear passenger unless the rear passenger is an unaborted blastocyte.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 02, 2022, 08:21:13 PM »

It doesn't matter what I believe about your post.

Of course it doesn't matter what you believe. I'm just curious as to where someone like you with your post history stands on the topic at hand.

You were talking a lot about personhood, victims, etc. So a natural clarifying question, which is kinda at the root of the entire debate on the topic, is when is something considered a "person"?

So, from a person with your POV, it's a curiosity to see where you stand. As in is a blastocyte a person and a potential victim if an abortion occurs at this stage, post-conception, pre-embryo?

Or is it only a person when the blastocyte becomes an embryo 3 weeks after conception?
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Now that you finally agree, we can put this to rest.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 02, 2022, 08:11:30 PM »

Trump must've been riding in the front seat to pull off this one.

Per protocol, right?

Or better yet, you here have been calling into question his physical and mental fitness, now suddenly deem him capable of pulling off such a stunt.

Multiple people are ready to testify under oath this woman is lying through her cavernous vagina.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 02, 2022, 04:44:33 PM »

gaslighting

It seems you may not know what that term means,

I know more about the term than you know about proper punctuation.

It is hearsay.

It's not, and your not being able or willing to understand that, means nothing to the court or the proceedings.

It is and this does not involve court proceedings.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 02, 2022, 11:20:18 AM »

The topic is abortion, not miscarriage.

Do you think those in the state legislatures can reliably tell the difference? Have they all accounted for it in their lawmaking?

Maybe, but I am sure they would be more capable than you.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 02, 2022, 10:13:23 AM »

The hearsay is being confirmed by multiple sources within Secret Service, by footage of Trump in the vehicle.

He could have got out and walked there by himself, couldn't he? Oh, no, I forgot; he can't walk that far, and needs a golf cart to get around.

And like I said earlier, if the facts are in dispute, he can volunteer to testify, under oath, to set the record straight, can't he?

Oh, you have seen the footage...BWAHAHA!!!

Jesus, just an outright freaking lie.

We wouldn't be typing about this at all if there was footage to confirm.

Better yet, call the actual asshat who supposedly uttered these words to the idiot female named Hutchinson.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 02, 2022, 04:41:25 AM »

That is still hearsay.

No, it's not.  Try to follow...

Case 1

Lawer1: "Did Mr. X get into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "He said he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection sustained."

Case 2

Lawer1: "Did Mr. X tell you personally that he got into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "Yes, he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection overruled."

funny, where are the judges asking the questions in this matter?

There go your reading skills again.  No the judges are ruling on the procedure (obviously).

It is hearsay.

No, It's not.

Hearsay is when a witness relates a conversation with another person who is outside the court (not there, not called, otherwise unavailable) in support of evidence or other matter before the court.  Like in case1 above.

I will say something for you, you are consistent.

Listen bullwinkle.

All of your consistent gaslighting on the issue changes nothing.

It is hearsay.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 02, 2022, 04:39:22 AM »

@pizza, cause I want to.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 02, 2022, 04:38:39 AM »

She testified as to what she heard...aka HEARSAY.

Unless that was the evidence she was asked to testify on and that she heard it firsthand.

That is still hearsay.

If she is describing someone's recollection of an event, then it is still admissible.

Rule 803. Hearsay Exceptions; Availability of Declarant Immaterial
The following are not excluded by the hearsay rule, even though the declarant is available as a witness:
(1) Present sense impression. A statement describing or explaining an event or condition made while the declarant was perceiving the event or condition, or immediately thereafter.

Hutchinson can say whatever she wants, wherever she wants.

Where is the guy who was grabbed by the clavicles?

LOL!!!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 02, 2022, 04:36:35 AM »

And you believe that conception immediately equals personhood?

I refer you back to the topic of abortion.

Abortion takes place at a time after conception.

When does a pregnancy start?

The start of pregnancy is actually the first day of your last menstrual period. This is called the gestational age, or menstrual age. It’s about two weeks ahead of when conception actually occurs. Though it may seem strange, the date of the first day of your last period will be an important date when determining your due date. Your healthcare provider will ask you about this date and will use it to figure out how far along you are in your pregnancy.

What happens right after conception?

Within 24 hours after fertilization, the egg begins rapidly dividing into many cells. It remains in the fallopian tube for about three days after conception. Then the fertilized egg (now called a blastocyte) continues to divide as it passes slowly through the fallopian tube to the uterus. Once there, its next job is to attach to the endometrium. This is called implantation.
Within three weeks, the blastocyte cells ultimately form a little ball, or an embryo. By this time, the first nerve cells have formed.

So do you believe a blastocyte is a person and a potential victim if an abortion occurs at this stage, post-conception, pre-embryo?

Again, the topic is abortion, not conception.

Correct. And here's a question about abortion, the topic: Do you believe a blastocyte is a person and a potential victim if an abortion occurs at this stage, post-conception, pre-embryo?

It doesn't matter what I believe about your post.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 02, 2022, 04:34:32 AM »

The topic is abortion, not miscarriage.

But women are being arrested for miscarriages too.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/national/miscarriages-are-already-criminalized-roe-v-wade/85-7e78facf-b673-4775-8a09-9a45e3a794b2

I find it interesting you provide a source that fails to support your claim in any way whatsoever.

Scratch that, it's hilarious.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 01, 2022, 09:27:14 PM »

That is still hearsay.

No, it's not.  Try to follow...

Case 1

Lawer1: "Did Mr. X get into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "He said he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection sustained."

Case 2

Lawer1: "Did Mr. X tell you personally that he got into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "Yes, he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection overruled."

funny, where are the judges asking the questions in this matter?

It is hearsay.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 01, 2022, 09:25:51 PM »

What happens right after conception?

Within 24 hours after fertilization, the egg begins rapidly dividing into many cells. It remains in the fallopian tube for about three days after conception. Then the fertilized egg (now called a blastocyte) continues to divide as it passes slowly through the fallopian tube to the uterus. Once there, its next job is to attach to the endometrium. This is called implantation.

What about blastocytes that don't implant or otherwise become non-viable due to natural reasons?  Is the woman liable the loss of pregnancy for natural reasons if she doesn't even know that she might have been (at least briefly) pregnant?

How many human embryos die between fertilisation and birth under natural conditions? It is widely accepted that natural human embryo mortality is high, particularly during the first weeks after fertilisation, with total prenatal losses of 70% and higher frequently claimed.

The topic is abortion, not miscarriage.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 01, 2022, 09:24:51 PM »

And you believe that conception immediately equals personhood?

I refer you back to the topic of abortion.

Abortion takes place at a time after conception.

When does a pregnancy start?

The start of pregnancy is actually the first day of your last menstrual period. This is called the gestational age, or menstrual age. It’s about two weeks ahead of when conception actually occurs. Though it may seem strange, the date of the first day of your last period will be an important date when determining your due date. Your healthcare provider will ask you about this date and will use it to figure out how far along you are in your pregnancy.

What happens right after conception?

Within 24 hours after fertilization, the egg begins rapidly dividing into many cells. It remains in the fallopian tube for about three days after conception. Then the fertilized egg (now called a blastocyte) continues to divide as it passes slowly through the fallopian tube to the uterus. Once there, its next job is to attach to the endometrium. This is called implantation.
Within three weeks, the blastocyte cells ultimately form a little ball, or an embryo. By this time, the first nerve cells have formed.

So do you believe a blastocyte is a person and a potential victim if an abortion occurs at this stage, post-conception, pre-embryo?

Again, the topic is abortion, not conception.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 01, 2022, 07:49:20 PM »

And you believe that conception immediately equals personhood?

I refer you back to the topic of abortion.

Abortion takes place at a time after conception.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 01, 2022, 07:44:43 PM »

She testified as to what she heard...aka HEARSAY.

Unless that was the evidence she was asked to testify on and that she heard it firsthand.

That is still hearsay.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 01, 2022, 04:54:27 PM »

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/94.102

Seems a crime victim is a person

You are just flat-out wrong.

So, there you have it.

An unborn fetus is a person.

This is just so lazy. You're telling me I'm wrong for pasting a literal law that explicitly excludes abortions and pretending like you understand legal terms better than people who write the laws.

Lazy?

The source I posted is a legal source, defining what a victim is.

A victim is a person, period, end of sentence.

That means when an abortion happens, a person is killed.

You have to define first whether a fetus is a ‘person’ or not. Then you can make the claim that when an abortion happens, a person is killed. That’s pretty much the crux of the whole issue; is a fetus a person at 6 weeks gestation? 12 weeks? 24 weeks? At conception?

The law already defines it.

If you murder women who are pregnant, you are guilty of two counts of murder.

Pretty clear cut.

Not really that clear cut:

Some of the state-specific feticide laws considered the fetus to be a person if it is viable, meaning it can survive out of the womb independently.

Some States, the ones you would expect, consider a fetus a "person" at any stage of pregnancy, hence the double homicide. Other States say a fetus is a "person" at viability, not before.
And even some States have no laws on the books regarding this at all.

So no, the blanket statement of "murder women who are pregnant, you are guilty of two counts of murder," is not true in all cases.

Of course, it isn't true in all cases due to the fact there are people who want to substitute their own reality for actual reality so they can kill a person via abortion without fear of external consequence.

People who do this are no better than John Wayne Gacy or Jeffery Dahmer or Ted Bundy.

The reality is that a victim = a person.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 01, 2022, 04:50:49 PM »

Why are you perpetuating hearsay and a story that has been flatly denied by senior officials with the Secret Service?

Has it been denied by someone under oath? For the lady who delivered this to the J6 committee was under oath. Are you accusing her of perjury?

She testified as to what she heard...aka HEARSAY.

Anyone willing to offer direct testimony of what happened has not been called to testify.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 01, 2022, 04:48:32 PM »

Democratic Socialist NAZI's

Are you sure putting those 3 words together makes any kind of sense?  I'd throw in fascist and globalist too, just to be extra sure it's utter rubbish.

Yeah, I am positive.

Fascist and globalist also fit, so it is not rubbish.