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Title: Life in 4K
Post by: Rushy on September 04, 2014, 03:32:51 AM
Got me one of these newfangled 4K monitors. Everything looks gloriously high definition - and tiny. Pretty much everything on here is quite tiny. I can now use most of the FES site without even scrolling.

In addition, gaming looks pretty nice, though my computer has a hard time going above 40 FPS on Battlefield 4. Another interesting thing is that you really can turn anti-aliasing off entirely. With such a high resolution, most aliasing effects don't present themselves.

Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Ghost of V on September 04, 2014, 03:33:15 AM
Screenshots?
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Rushy on September 04, 2014, 03:34:08 AM
Screenshots?

Of what? I could show you how small the site is now, but as far as gaming you won't be able to appreciate the resolution unless you're already using a 4K monitor.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Ghost of V on September 04, 2014, 03:35:29 AM
I want to see your desktop.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Rushy on September 04, 2014, 03:47:44 AM
Keep in mind I enlarged all of the icons by 150%. Also, a single 4k screenshot is 18.8 MB. It looks like Imgur compressed it, so the image quality is a bit degraded.

(http://i.imgur.com/9ZdyEcH.jpg)
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Ghost of V on September 04, 2014, 03:50:03 AM
I was hoping for a full sized image, but this is nice too. I can tell the difference just by looking at your taskbar.

Not to be rude, but how much did you pay for this monitor? I'm assuming you paid in bitcoin?
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Rushy on September 04, 2014, 03:56:14 AM
I was hoping for a full sized image, but this is nice too. I can tell the difference just by looking at your taskbar.

Not to be rude, but how much did you pay for this monitor? I'm assuming you paid in bitcoin?

It was only $600 (I say "only" because 4k monitors used to cost multiple thousands). Newegg also gave me a free Samsung 250GB SSD for buying it. I was going to buy another SSD soon, anyway, so the monitor essentially cost around $400, which isn't much more than an average 1080p monitor. I can't play many games at 4k, but the monitor does do a good job of displaying 1440p and 1080p as well and at 1080p it is still a significant image improvement over my older cathode backlit Asus monitor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0JC-0007-00009


All things considered, I think a 4k 60hz monitor with a 1ms response time + a 250GB SSD @$600 was well worth the money. And yes, I did pay in bitcoin.

Also, it is a full sized image, you need to click it to make it bigger.
Scratch that, I guess Imgur reduced the size of it because 4k screenshots are too big.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Ghost of V on September 04, 2014, 04:15:25 AM
It's amazing how cheap you got it, considering (like you said) they used to cost a fortune. The only problem I see with one is that it seems like games don't take full advantage of the 4k resolution. I imagine some PC games might, but not any that I've played.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Rushy on September 04, 2014, 04:52:48 AM
It's amazing how cheap you got it, considering (like you said) they used to cost a fortune. The only problem I see with one is that it seems like games don't take full advantage of the 4k resolution. I imagine some PC games might, but not any that I've played.

None of the infrastructure we currently have is really ready for 4k. For example, 60hz 4k monitors only recently came out and cycles above that are impossible because there currently isn't a cable capable of delivering the bandwidth needed for >60hz 4k. A single 4k movie would order on the size of somewhere around 100gb. As a noted before, a single screenshot of 4k was almost 20MB. The textures that would make a 4k experience truly amazing would be unbelievably huge. Games would be hundreds of gigabytes.

Ultimately, even if the monitor doesn't get used to deliver 4k 24/7, it still offers an above average 1080p/1440p experience. Many 1440p still cost around $600 (currently an Asus 1ms 144hz 1440p monitor is $800). Between that and the 4k monitor, it didn't really make sense to get the Asus just because it had Nvidia gsync (I use AMD, anyway).
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: beardo on September 04, 2014, 05:58:28 AM
>desktop icons
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Lord Dave on September 04, 2014, 09:43:21 AM
I'vseen the 4k TVs in stores but I didn't think they looked that impressive.

How big (physically) is the monitor?
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: markjo on September 04, 2014, 12:19:45 PM
I'vseen the 4k TVs in stores but I didn't think they looked that impressive.
Considering that there is hardly any 4k content out there, it's not surprising.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: juner on September 04, 2014, 03:37:22 PM
DP 1.3 needs to hurry up and become mainstream so we can get some 4K@120 love. Supposedly, HDMI 2.0 might be able to pull it off to some extent.

I picked up a cheap Seiki 39" 4K TV from Newegg about 6 months ago (less than $500) It actually has been a pretty fantastic TV. I don't have TV service, I just use a small, but very powerful workstation as a media center PC. I cut the cord on TV over two years ago and haven't looked back. I typically run at 1920x1080@120, but occasionally flip it to 4K for the minimal content I can find. Last I checked, Netflix wouldn't do 4K on a workstation which was disappointing.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Rushy on September 04, 2014, 06:35:46 PM
I'vseen the 4k TVs in stores but I didn't think they looked that impressive.

This is because TVs have a much lower pixel density. Sony has already released a report stating they know you have to sit about 3 feet from their 4k TV to notice the difference in resolution.

How big (physically) is the monitor?

28"
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: EnigmaZV on September 04, 2014, 07:26:19 PM
I remember when a 17" monitor was very large.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: markjo on September 04, 2014, 07:55:36 PM
I remember when a 17" monitor was very heavy.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Ghost of V on September 04, 2014, 07:58:15 PM
Back in my day we used to do advanced math problems on our house sized computers while wearing onions on our belts because that was the style at the time.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: fappenhosen on September 04, 2014, 10:21:35 PM
I have an 8K display. I can get half of the internet on it at once.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Lord Dave on September 04, 2014, 10:27:24 PM
I remember when a 17" monitor was very heavy.
I'm still lugging those damn things around.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Fortuna on October 12, 2014, 09:34:16 AM
That's some Hubble Deep Field shit right there.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Thork on October 12, 2014, 03:54:56 PM
Having everything that tiny would get on my nerves.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Fortuna on October 16, 2014, 06:17:24 PM
iMacs will now ship with 5k displays. Get wrecked Windows shills.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Ghost of V on October 16, 2014, 08:47:47 PM
iMacs will now ship with 5k displays. Get wrecked Windows shills.

Only $2500 to use Facebook and Garage Band? Sounds great! :D
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: xasop on October 16, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
iMacs will now ship with 5k displays. Get wrecked Windows shills.

ITT: Anyone who doesn't buy iMacs is a Windows shill.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Fortuna on October 16, 2014, 09:20:24 PM
iMacs will now ship with 5k displays. Get wrecked Windows shills.

Only $2500 to use Facebook and Garage Band? Sounds great! :D

No, it's $2500 for the best 27 inch display on the market.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: EnigmaZV on October 16, 2014, 10:00:43 PM
You could also buy a Dell 5k monitor for the same price as the iMac when it ships later this year.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Fortuna on October 16, 2014, 10:40:34 PM
You could also buy a Dell 5k monitor for the same price as the iMac when it ships later this year.

Or you could just get an iMac and get a whole computer too, along with the higher quality display.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Rushy on October 16, 2014, 11:24:10 PM
Apple is doing what it always does, adopt a very narrowly supported product in order to corner a market that has more money than sense. It's amazingly effective, but hardly belongs in a thread about genuine uses of high resolution. Considering the horrific rebranded 8970 that it ships with, the computer is going to have trouble driving the desktop background, let alone anything particularly useful to people that have a computer for something other than Facebook.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Fortuna on October 16, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
the computer is going to have trouble driving the desktop background, let alone anything particularly useful to people that have a computer for something other than Facebook.

Nah. It will probably be silky smooth though.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Blanko on October 16, 2014, 11:54:48 PM
I bet even Facebook would end up looking worse on 5K as opposed to 4K. The great thing about 4K is that it doesn't actually require much support or infrastructure, because it's exactly four times the resolution of 1080p so low-DPI assets scale perfectly. inb4 everything looks like a blurry mess in 5K.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Thork on October 17, 2014, 02:29:00 PM
5K does seem like a bloody stupid resolution. Of course this comes from a company that clings to 4:3 for tablet devices which makes a right balls of most videos.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: xasop on October 17, 2014, 03:19:00 PM
No resolution requires "support or infrastructure" by anything except the video driver and windowing system, least of all websites. The whole point of HTML and CSS is that you can define a layout without needing to know the specific resolution of the device, and it will scale as needed.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Blanko on October 17, 2014, 03:21:49 PM
No resolution requires "support or infrastructure" by anything except the video driver and windowing system, least of all websites. The whole point of HTML and CSS is that you can define a layout without needing to know the specific resolution of the device, and it will scale as needed.

What are images
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: xasop on October 17, 2014, 03:27:11 PM
No resolution requires "support or infrastructure" by anything except the video driver and windowing system, least of all websites. The whole point of HTML and CSS is that you can define a layout without needing to know the specific resolution of the device, and it will scale as needed.

What are images

If you have a point to make, please make it. I'm not going to respond to a guess at what you might mean.
Title: Re: Life in 4K
Post by: Lord Dave on October 17, 2014, 03:29:24 PM
No resolution requires "support or infrastructure" by anything except the video driver and windowing system, least of all websites. The whole point of HTML and CSS is that you can define a layout without needing to know the specific resolution of the device, and it will scale as needed.

What are images

If you have a point to make, please make it. I'm not going to respond to a guess at what you might mean.

I think he means "images don't scale well with resolution" so a high enough resolution will generate a small image.  If it does scale, it'll be a poor scaling and the picture will look pixilated.