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Title: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Rekt on April 12, 2017, 12:56:44 PM
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: juner on April 12, 2017, 02:33:38 PM
Who ever said NASA was fake? They are a real entity, even in FET...
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 12, 2017, 03:03:20 PM
The Space Race wasn't about science, it was about getting your missiles into earth orbit first and claiming military superiority.

If the Soviets lie and say "space travel is possible, and we were able to get rockets there," why would the Americans then admit "actually, we found out that space travel does not seem feasible" in contradiction to popular science which had been postulating that space travel should be possible for hundreds of years? That is tactically disadvantageous.

The Space Race started immediately after WWII.  The competition was raging for 12 years from 1945 to 1957, with many failed rocket launches on both sides. Is it a coincidence that the US happened to achieve success with the Explorer I within just three months after Sputnik?
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Pete Svarrior on April 12, 2017, 03:06:06 PM
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA
Hoo boy, whenever someone opens a post with "here's this ONE WEIRD TRICK that proves me right", you know it's gonna be top quality reasoning and not an old argument that's already been beaten to death.

Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position?
Two possible reasons: Either they thought the other side is actually succeeding, or they already claimed they're totally going to space and felt slightly awkward about telling their governments that all those millions they laundered were, well, laundered. Going to jail/a labour camp was probably fairly low on their to-do list.

Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.
So, by your ace logic, since there are currently no nukes in orbit, it makes no difference whether or not nukes are at all feasible. I love it.

I guess we can de-escalate that whole North Korean thing then. After all, no North Korean nukes are in orbit, so it doesn't matter whether they're close to being able to launch one or not! Quickly, Rekt, get Trump on the line before it's too late!
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Rekt on April 12, 2017, 03:19:18 PM
The Space Race wasn't about science, it was about getting your missiles into earth orbit first and claiming military superiority.

If the Soviets lie and say "space travel is possible, and we were able to get rockets there," why would the Americans then admit "actually, we found out that space travel does not seem feasible" in contradiction to popular science which had been postulating that space travel should be possible for hundreds of years? That is tactically disadvantageous.

The Space Race started immediately after WWII.  The competition was raging for 12 years from 1945 to 1957, with many failed rocket launches on both sides. Is it a coincidence that the US happened to achieve success with the Explorer I within just three months after Sputnik?
The missiles are not in orbit, Tom! ICBMs never go into orbit! They are just extremely long ranged missiles!
That aside, Explorer 1 could have BEATEN sputnik if we weren't being morally righteous. We wanted to use a civilian rocket, the Juno 1, which was a derivative of the Redstone. We didn't want to use the Jupiter ICBM family due to it being developed chiefly by Werner Von Braun, a Nazi scientist.
Is it a coincidence that others developed planes right after the Wright Brothers' first flight? Is it a coincidence that any technology that is being vigorously pursued can happen several times, with only the first one being remembered?
There IS NO MILITARY SUPERIORITY in space. ICBMs do not give superiority, they end the world.
And ICBMs don't go into space until launched! They aren't in orbit! Nobody is trying to "get your missiles into earth orbit first" Until they are actually being USED to launch nukes they never move from their silo!
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Rekt on April 12, 2017, 03:21:08 PM
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA
Hoo boy, whenever someone opens a post with "here's this ONE WEIRD TRICK that proves me right", you know it's gonna be top quality reasoning and not an old argument that's already been beaten to death.

Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position?
Two possible reasons: Either they thought the other side is actually succeeding, or they already claimed they're totally going to space and felt slightly awkward about telling their governments that all those millions they laundered were, well, laundered. Going to jail/a labour camp was probably fairly low on their to-do list.

Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.
So, by your ace logic, since there are currently no nukes in orbit, it makes no difference whether or not nukes are at all feasible. I love it.

I guess we can de-escalate that whole North Korean thing then. After all, no North Korean nukes are in orbit, so it doesn't matter whether they're close to being able to launch one or not! Quickly, Rekt, get Trump on the line before it's too late!
I'm referring to Tom's continuing statements that this is about "Military superiority with nukes in orbit". The nukes aren't in orbit, ever, only trajectories, and that's only when they are launched. And nuclear showdowns are not about "domination", they are world-ending events.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on April 12, 2017, 04:51:06 PM
I'm referring to Tom's continuing statements that this is about "Military superiority with nukes in orbit". The nukes aren't in orbit, ever, only trajectories, and that's only when they are launched. And nuclear showdowns are not about "domination", they are world-ending events.

How the fuck do you know? Do you know exactly what each and every "satellite" is equipped with when it is launched? Either "Star Wars" exists or space travel isn't possible or feasible. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN HELL that we haven't Weaponized space if it is even remotely possible.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Rekt on April 12, 2017, 04:59:53 PM
I'm referring to Tom's continuing statements that this is about "Military superiority with nukes in orbit". The nukes aren't in orbit, ever, only trajectories, and that's only when they are launched. And nuclear showdowns are not about "domination", they are world-ending events.

How the #### do you know? Do you know exactly what each and every "satellite" is equipped with when it is launched? Either "Star Wars" exists or space travel isn't possible or feasible. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN HELL that we haven't Weaponized space if it is even remotely possible.
What exactly is the strategic advantage?
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Rounder on April 23, 2017, 04:40:28 AM
How the fuck do you know? Do you know exactly what each and every "satellite" is equipped with when it is launched? Either "Star Wars" exists or space travel isn't possible or feasible. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN HELL that we haven't Weaponized space if it is even remotely possible.

That's a false dichotomy.  One could just as easily say "Either the Army has secret units composed of avenging angels, or angels don't exist".  One can easily believe in angels (reject statement #2) without believing we've weaponized them (reject statement #1)
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: thedude on May 08, 2017, 08:23:37 PM
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Rekt on May 10, 2017, 04:33:48 PM
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.
Except for that whenever science is wrong it adjusts its model to fit new observations. The Nazis would have been the first to realize the earth was flat, with the first ever spaceflight being a V2.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: thedude on May 12, 2017, 08:32:12 PM
Except for that whenever science is wrong it adjusts its model to fit new observations. The Nazis would have been the first to realize the earth was flat, with the first ever spaceflight being a V2.

Except that's not true. Not on this type of scale anyway. I hear people make this remark all the time, but I've never seen it. What I have seen is something like the theory of relativity that helps aid along in what they can't explain. Science has never totally trashed what they once thought was truth and did a complete 180... not since people thought the earth was flat  ;D. Like I said, all of the most intelligent people on this earth have been saying we are a ball floating through space and only simpletons believe the earth is flat. You can believe that there are lizard people and be more credible than someone who believes in a flat earth. If everything we have known to be truth about the world we live on was a lie, you don't think people would revolt? You don't think NASA would be destroyed and scientist ridiculed on the same scale that flat earthers were ridiculed? If, and I'm using a big if, the earth is flat, there is no way we will ever definitively know.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Dither on May 16, 2017, 09:48:35 AM
You don't think NASA would be destroyed and scientist ridiculed on the same scale that flat earthers were ridiculed?

NASA may be destroyed but science will be just fine, all the better for it actually.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: simba on May 16, 2017, 07:49:09 PM
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.

Why start with the lie in the first place?
What's the reason of all this?
What's so important that apparently the whole world is working togheter to cover it up instead of working for world peace?
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on May 19, 2017, 03:21:27 PM
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.

Why start with the lie in the first place?
What's the reason of all this?
What's so important that apparently the whole world is working togheter to cover it up instead of working for world peace?

Money
Power
Money
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: simba on May 19, 2017, 06:50:41 PM
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.

Why start with the lie in the first place?
What's the reason of all this?
What's so important that apparently the whole world is working togheter to cover it up instead of working for world peace?

Money
Power
Money

Can you explain how faking a round Earth generates money and power?
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Dither on May 19, 2017, 11:42:45 PM
Can you explain how faking a round Earth generates money and power?

I'll give it a go.

The super elite abide in every country on earth, they are not neccessarly those in government but they control the outcomes. They have no problem with their own country's going to war occasionally as it makes them lots of money. They consider the majority of the worlds population as nothing more than worker bees, They spray us with poisons and dumb us down with chemicals hidden in our food and water. They set opposing political factions against each other to feign democracy but their ultimate agenda's are never questioned. They have won and we are owned.

And behind the scenes they are all laughing at us. 
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: markjo on May 21, 2017, 08:15:51 PM
Can you explain how faking a round Earth generates money and power?

I'll give it a go.

The super elite abide in every country on earth, they are not neccessarly those in government but they control the outcomes. They have no problem with their own country's going to war occasionally as it makes them lots of money. They consider the majority of the worlds population as nothing more than worker bees, They spray us with poisons and dumb us down with chemicals hidden in our food and water. They set opposing political factions against each other to feign democracy but their ultimate agenda's are never questioned. They have won and we are owned.

And behind the scenes they are all laughing at us.
And that has what to do with the shape of the earth? ???
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Rama Set on May 21, 2017, 11:36:04 PM
Oh! I know! Nothing...
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Dither on May 22, 2017, 12:35:26 PM
And that has what to do with the shape of the earth? ???

A flat earth points to a Creator,
The super elite worship the devil, they do not want the populace coming to that understanding.
The globe earth model devalues life and turns us all into cosmic dust particles.
Do what thou wilt, no God, no judgement, no morality, just make money and don't question.

I am a Christian Flat Earther, I believe this is the truth,
I do not represent every FE on this forum, I am probably in the minority,
 

Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: honk on May 22, 2017, 12:54:30 PM
Nobody is trying to cover up the shape of the earth, only that space travel isn't real. The conspirators most likely don't know that the earth is flat. As RE'ers here like to remind us, everybody was certain that the earth was round long before anyone went into space.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: TomInAustin on May 22, 2017, 03:28:58 PM
I'm referring to Tom's continuing statements that this is about "Military superiority with nukes in orbit". The nukes aren't in orbit, ever, only trajectories, and that's only when they are launched. And nuclear showdowns are not about "domination", they are world-ending events.

How the fuck do you know? Do you know exactly what each and every "satellite" is equipped with when it is launched? Either "Star Wars" exists or space travel isn't possible or feasible. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN HELL that we haven't Weaponized space if it is even remotely possible.

Of course, space has been weaponized.  The USA has had F15 launched satellite killers for several decades now.  The Chinese tested on or their own and made a cloud of debris that will cause problems for centuries. 
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: markjo on May 22, 2017, 04:10:18 PM
And that has what to do with the shape of the earth? ???

A flat earth points to a Creator,
The super elite worship the devil, they do not want the populace coming to that understanding.
The globe earth model devalues life and turns us all into cosmic dust particles.
Oh, so it's an ego thing to make us feel special.  Got it.

Personally, I think that if God can create one planet with intelligent life, then why would He stop there?  Why not create a whole universe teeming with intelligent life?

Do what thou wilt, no God, no judgement, no morality, just make money and don't question.
So you're saying that it's a good thing to question God and the Bible?

I am a Christian Flat Earther, I believe this is the truth,
I do not represent every FE on this forum, I am probably in the minority,
You're probably right about being in the minority.  My guess is that the majority of FE'ers on this forum are atheists.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Dither on May 22, 2017, 09:16:10 PM
Personally, I think that if God can create one planet with intelligent life, then why would He stop there?

You will get the opportunity to ask Him one day.

Also, the Christian message is all about dying to self "EGO" why have you reversed it?
I'm not suggesting to follow Crowley's mantra, I was showing you whats happening now.

I think you will find that most Atheists embrace Agnosticism after accepting FET.
   
Thanks for being kind in your reply  8)
 
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Dither on May 22, 2017, 09:42:11 PM
So you're saying that it's a good thing to question God and the Bible?

Sorry, I misunderstood you,

The Bible is believed by faith, that faith is given of God.
Jesus is called the Word of God for a reason, also the Word made flesh and dwelt among us.
This is how God has chosen to reveal Himself, He has not left us alone.
I believe the Bible to be inerrant through faith in Christ, simples.

Mystics will say that God is in all religions, they are not working by faith.
Mysticism works through experience of the divine, experience trumps faith.
Following our heart will not lead to God because the heart is deceitfully wicked.

I'm losing track of the original question and now expect a warning, sorry everyone  ;)

The original question was, "what do they have to gain by saying the world is round"
The Christian answer is "your soul"...

   
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Oami on May 22, 2017, 10:26:34 PM
There is a problem with the reasoning here.

"If statement X were true, it would be nice according to my religion" is in no way a valid argument to support statement X. The nature does not owe you nice things. Also, neither does God, if he exists.

I personally try to avoid mixing religion and science. In certain areas, they may coexist. Like, we don't know the fundamental mechanism of the gravity – we haven't discovered the graviton, and even if we had, we don't know how the gravitons are actually being made. We cannot prove that the gravity was created by God, but also we cannot prove that it was not. And this uncertainty is what leaves space for different religions. And by all means: I admit that I am not a very religious person myself, but as far as they don't try to affect my personal life, I don't mind if other people are.

The globe theory works well enough with or without religion. The flat theory, on the other hand, only seems to work with religion (that is, our planet being the only one there is, something special when compared to anything else in the entire universe). Still, there seem to be some non-religious persons who believe in it, and my genuine interest to try to understand the reasoning behing that is one of the reasons I am on this forum in the first place.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: markjo on May 23, 2017, 12:13:30 AM
The original question was, "what do they have to gain by saying the world is round"
The Christian answer is "your soul"...
So watching satellite TV will cost me my soul?  Wow, I guess it's a good thing that I have cable.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Dither on May 23, 2017, 12:25:23 AM
I personally try to avoid mixing religion and science.

Science is a belief system, that makes it a religion of sorts.
Everyone on earth is religious, we all have souls, we have no choice.

Blake sums it up in well Auguries of Innocence,

QUOTE:
If the sun and moon should doubt,
They'd immediately go out.

This has been a good conversation so far but we have moved beyond the central question of the thread.
This is probably my fault, you get that when you are religious.  :P 
 


Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: markjo on May 23, 2017, 12:48:06 AM
I personally try to avoid mixing religion and science.

Science is a belief system, that makes it a religion of sorts.
No.  Science is a system of inquiry.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Dither on May 23, 2017, 03:57:25 AM
I personally try to avoid mixing religion and science.

Science is a belief system, that makes it a religion of sorts.
No.  Science is a system of inquiry.
But to enquire about something requires belief that the question is valid and worth asking.
Also, not all questions asked in science get the same answers.
The results can be viewed in different ways according to the framework used to ask them.


 
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Oami on May 23, 2017, 04:40:36 AM
Science is a system that corrects itself if needed. (And this has happened.) Science doesn't claim to be all-knowing. Science reserves itself the right to make mistakes; it's just that those mistakes can and must then be corrected. If they cannot be corrected, then the entire theory (and everything that stands on it) must be abandoned. Science is not complete; if it were, there wouldn't be any new scientists being educated in universities all around the world. Something completely new is learned all the time.

On the other hand, religion doesn't work like that. Nothing new has been added to The Bible, let alone The Quran, for centuries. If a priest finds out that there are errors in the Bible – even if God himself told him so – there's nothing he could do to correct them within his religion. What he could do is found a new one and declare the old one heretic.

Science hardly knows the concept of herecy. If some theory is proven false in one part of the world, and the proof is solid enough, that theory is soon abandoned (or corrected) everywhere.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: markjo on May 23, 2017, 01:30:30 PM
I personally try to avoid mixing religion and science.

Science is a belief system, that makes it a religion of sorts.
No.  Science is a system of inquiry.
But to enquire about something requires belief that the question is valid and worth asking.
God made us naturally curious, so I don't see that as an issue.

Also, not all questions asked in science get the same answers.
The results can be viewed in different ways according to the framework used to ask them.
The same can be said of religion.  How many different interpretations of holy texts are used to justify various agendas?
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Dither on May 23, 2017, 09:42:00 PM
God made us naturally curious, so I don't see that as an issue.
Why do you have God in your worldview?
And are you a FE'r, or a RE'r?   
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: markjo on May 23, 2017, 11:22:31 PM
God made us naturally curious, so I don't see that as an issue.
Why do you have God in your worldview?
Mostly because that's how I was indoctrinated at an early age, I suppose. 

Personally, I do believe in God, but I'm not sure that God is who we think He is.

And are you a FE'r, or a RE'r?
Does it really matter?
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: Dither on May 24, 2017, 12:25:46 AM
Mostly because that's how I was indoctrinated at an early age, I suppose. 

Thanks for sharing  :)

I was brought up a Roman Catholic in primary school, I have good memories of the nuns. 
They were kind to us and I preferred it to the public school that I went to later in high school.
A religious upbringing can be a blessing, nothing to be ashamed of.
Title: Re: NASA is not fake.
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on May 24, 2017, 05:05:55 PM

Personally, I think that if God can create one planet with intelligent life, then why would He stop there?  Why not create a whole universe teeming with intelligent life?

I think there is just a fundamental misunderstanding to what our existence is, and what the stars and planets represent. Intelligent life may exist congruent and or parallel to our own existence. It may not be a physical existence. We know that what we perceive is only a small fraction of a much larger existence. Hoping to find some sort of bacteria on what we think is a rock hundreds of millions of miles away seems, to me, as if we are looking in the wrong places for life that would be considered alien.