Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #420 on: August 29, 2014, 02:56:55 PM »
Since the people in the area are doing nothing to fight ISIS, they are complicit in allowing it to become what it is. Unless they start rebelling against it, they are collateral damage. Shit happens.

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #421 on: August 29, 2014, 03:08:39 PM »
Would you rebel against ISIS? They bury people alive!

In other news, the UK terror threat level has just went up to Severe.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #422 on: August 29, 2014, 03:09:25 PM »
Yaakov is nuts. Let's solve the ISIS problem by killing all the Muslims!
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #423 on: August 29, 2014, 05:33:51 PM »
Since the people in the area are doing nothing to fight ISIS, they are complicit in allowing it to become what it is. Unless they start rebelling against it, they are collateral damage. Shit happens.
And if they do start rebelling, they're dog meat.  Looks like they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #424 on: August 29, 2014, 06:13:51 PM »
Is it possible that people are overestimating the threat of IS? They are surrounded by enemies and unwilling to work with other Muslim terrorist groups because they seen them as apostates. They use their western recruits as cannon fodder which will presumably cause the flow of recruits to dry up eventually.
It's not a very probable outcome, but if we don't respond promptly enough, they might eventually become The Ottomans 2.0, except with more violent beliefs and technology that makes mass genocide easy.

I think the question here shouldn't be "how much of a threat are they?" but rather "can we take chances and risk them becoming a threat over time?".
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #425 on: August 29, 2014, 06:52:37 PM »
ISIS is a direct result of intervention in the middle east. I'm not so sure even more intervention is going to resolve the situation.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #426 on: August 29, 2014, 09:00:04 PM »
I dunno, this seems a tad more valid than the other ones. Proof of Weapons Of Mass Destruction was pretty hard to come by, but Proof Of ISIS is stacked rather high.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #427 on: August 30, 2014, 03:34:10 AM »
ISIS is a direct result of intervention in the middle east. I'm not so sure even more intervention is going to resolve the situation.
Eventually we'll kill them off :^).

Also, sure, intervening in the first place was a cock-up, but now we're at a point of no return. Bush's "gawd told may to kill paypole" legacy shall live forevermore.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #428 on: August 30, 2014, 03:55:01 AM »
Since the people in the area are doing nothing to fight ISIS, they are complicit in allowing it to become what it is. Unless they start rebelling against it, they are collateral damage. Shit happens.

I agree with this only if you agree to let us tie an Israeli baby to each bomb that gets dropped.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #429 on: August 31, 2014, 06:43:58 PM »
ISIS is a direct result of intervention in the middle east. I'm not so sure even more intervention is going to resolve the situation.

ISIS is a direct result of exiting Iraq and leaving a weak, distrusted sectarian government behind.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #430 on: August 31, 2014, 10:21:24 PM »
ISIS is a direct result of exiting Iraq and leaving a weak, distrusted sectarian government behind.

So... you're agreeing, then?

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #431 on: September 02, 2014, 07:29:42 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/world/middleeast/steven-sotloff-isis-execution.html

BTW, please don't feed Yaakov here.  He has his own thread now, use that instead.

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #432 on: September 02, 2014, 08:10:23 PM »
SADAAM, grow up. Its not my fault your an ass.

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #433 on: September 02, 2014, 08:33:56 PM »
And ISIS kills another American. But we don't have the balls to simply turn the bastards into melted slag.

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #434 on: September 02, 2014, 08:48:15 PM »
Still not bothered about the countless innocent victims who would die, eh?

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #435 on: September 02, 2014, 09:00:00 PM »
Not particularly.

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #436 on: September 02, 2014, 09:34:41 PM »
Welp, we saw that coming. Wonder what the chances are of intelligence agencies finding these guys before more are executed?

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #437 on: September 02, 2014, 09:48:53 PM »
Probably not high. The bastards know the terrain far better than we do. Short of bombing them to smithereens, they are GOING to evade pretty much everything we try to do. I mean, they may be assholes deserving of the absolute worst punishment (ie, being turned into melted slag), but they're NOT stupid.

Again, we need to learn some lessons from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Force them to surrender by simply bombing them out of existence until they do what the fuck they are told, when they are told, how they are told. Until the day comes that we say, "Jump!" and ISIS's only question is "How high?", they should be subject to continual assault. But one nuclear strike on their main base should do it. It worked with the Empire of Japan, it also ought to work with the so-called "Caliphate of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL). Ok, it took two strikes on Japan, but close enough.

While we are at it, it might be a good time to spread pork grease on Mecca and Medina if any other Muslims give us any grief, and advise them that the next step will be to bomb both cities into pulverised gravel if there is any more disobedience. Time for them to see how real wars are fought and won.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #438 on: September 02, 2014, 09:51:15 PM »
Why don't they just use Google Earth to find out where they are? Then precision airstrike them.

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #439 on: September 02, 2014, 10:27:08 PM »
Clearly IS are trying to provoke a response from the US, maybe it's best not to go RAAAAGHHHH! WE MUST HAVE VENGEANCE and try to be rational?