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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 27, 2023, 10:15:22 PM »

You do realize that this is essentially the same thing as saying that "GPS proves the curvature" like ichoosenonsense claimed, right? It's all done on paper from a mathematical model of the ball Earth. In reality no one has measured the curvature. Ever.

Do you realize that a mathematical model of the ball earth can make predictions can can be verified in reality but won't work on a flat earth?

This is an unfortunate comment because it shows that you haven't looked at the material that your globe-defending friend provided.

It explains that you can project the imaginary ball's curvature onto a flat plane no problem by using the so-called "Snake Projection" method, and it is mathematically valid.

Please explain why projecting the image of a round earth onto a flat surface should invalidate any predictions that a round earth model would make.

  It may not be possible to measure the curvature to your satisfaction, but it is possible to verify the consequences of that curvature.

You mean that you are personally satisfied that it exists, which is different.

No, I meant what I said.  Personal satisfaction has nothing to do with it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: September 27, 2023, 08:58:19 PM »

It looks bad but the box checked is "non-final disposition" so dunno what that means overall.

Mr. Kise also asked whether the ruling meant that Mr. Trump would have to sell assets including Trump Tower and 40 Wall Street, a downtown commercial property, or whether they could be managed by an independent receiver who the judge said would oversee the dissolution of the canceled companies.

Justice Engoron did not provide a clear response. After huddling with his law clerk, Allison Greenfield, he told Mr. Kise that he appreciated his concern and understood the question.

“I’m not prepared to issue a ruling right now, but we will take that up in various contexts I’m sure,” he said. He granted Mr. Kise’s request for 30 days to devise a plan for implementing the order.

I think that it means that they're not quite sure what it means overall either, but they'll figure something out eventually.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 27, 2023, 08:47:40 PM »

You do realize that this is essentially the same thing as saying that "GPS proves the curvature" like ichoosenonsense claimed, right? It's all done on paper from a mathematical model of the ball Earth. In reality no one has measured the curvature. Ever.

Do you realize that a mathematical model of the ball earth can make predictions can can be verified in reality but won't work on a flat earth?  It may not be possible to measure the curvature to your satisfaction, but it is possible to verify the consequences of that curvature.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: September 26, 2023, 12:44:27 AM »

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Any Dubay reconciliation possibilities?

« on: September 20, 2023, 08:18:42 PM »

Reconciliation generally implies that there was some sort of relationship to begin with.  To the best of my knowledge, there has never been any sort of relationship between Eric Dubay and either of the TFES sites, other than Eric accusing TFES (and just about anyone else claiming to be an FE'er) of being controlled opposition, or something to that effect.

I remember signing up for one of his sites some years back and being permabanned within a day or so before I even made a post.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Nothing To See Here (Maui)

« on: September 18, 2023, 09:11:32 PM »

Imagine calling coordinated mass murder "bad logistics".

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. -- Hanlon's razor

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: September 17, 2023, 04:26:59 PM »

I couldn't find the rules with a quick google but I think he needs a certain percentage in the polls to be on the primary ballot.
So if he isn't a household name, few who votes in the primary is gonna vote for him.

The rules vary by state, but usually involve filing petitions with a number of signatures with the state election board.
https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates

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Flat Earth Media / Re: NASA's Lost 1966 Quantum Brake Technology?

« on: September 10, 2023, 11:06:18 PM »

One pretty obvious thing that I forgot to mention.  If the Gemini capsule and Agena target are both going 18,000 mph (5 miles per second) and the Gemini suddenly slows to zero mph, then why didn't the Agena target shoot past at 18,000 mph?

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 10, 2023, 06:39:46 PM »

By the way, the horizon really isn't a physical thing.

Damn, RE light now exists outside of the realm of physics.

I'm not sure where you got that from, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't say resembling that.

And you say we're the ones with strange ideas about light.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion or should I report you for low content posting?

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 09, 2023, 10:27:29 PM »

How would you suggest that the curvature along several miles of the earth be physically measured?

Well, I would say it's up to you (the globe cult) to figure out the details since you're the ones claiming that the curvature exists and the ones who have pretty much all the resources & money.

Apparently none of the modern methods for measuring curvature are acceptable to you, so we seem to be at an impasse.

Or alternatively - oh well, you can keep not producing proof of curvature for all eternity for all I care.

If objects moving past and sinking below the horizon, satellite imagery or any of the other evidence posted isn't enough proof of curvature for you, then I don't know what is. 

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 09, 2023, 07:57:50 PM »

A physical measurement of the ball would be swell. No need to measure the whole ball, a few miles would be enough.

Then I suggest you talk with a surveyor because they measure bits and pieces of the earth all the time and a few miles is far enough for them to need to account for the earth's curvature.

Do you not understand that a physical (tangible) measurement is not the same thing as an optical measurement?

How would you suggest that the curvature along several miles of the earth be physically measured?

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 09, 2023, 07:51:01 PM »

A physical measurement of the ball would be swell. No need to measure the whole ball, a few miles would be enough.

Then I suggest you talk with a surveyor because they measure bits and pieces of the earth all the time and a few miles is far enough for them to need to account for the earth's curvature.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 09, 2023, 07:13:30 PM »

That's easy.  It's because, as so many FE'ers have shown time and time again, there is no evidence of curvature that you will accept.

I'm not asking for evidence, I'm asking for proof. Not the same thing.

Okay then, what proof would you accept?

By the way, the horizon really isn't a physical thing.

Ok? I know that, but if the Earth is a ball then it must be physical, no?

No.

What do you think the horizon is, then?

I already told you.  The horizon is where the sky and earth appear to meet.  What do you think the horizon is?

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 09, 2023, 06:50:17 PM »

The salient question is why have the globe cult not provided proof of a physical horizon/curvature yet if it is physically there.

That's easy.  It's because, as so many FE'ers have shown time and time again, there is no evidence of curvature that you will accept. 

By the way, the horizon really isn't a physical thing.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 09, 2023, 05:21:59 PM »

I know you asked for a reference level, but you're not gonna get one.

Then those pictures don't prove anything. 

Observations from a plane + IR already soundly debunk the globe, because they don't match globe model predictions at all like I said. So far all the globe zealots have ignored that information, including you. Why?

Do tell.  What does the globe model predict that the pictures from a plane + IR predict that the horizon should look like?

Thanks for confirming that the horizon is a result of perspective and not "curvature of Earth".

The horizon is a result of earth and sky appearing to meet in the distance and will exist regardless of the shape of the earth.  The salient question is whether or not a object can move past and dip below the horizon.  On a flat earth, the answer is no.  On a round earth, the answer is yes.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 09, 2023, 03:27:01 AM »

None of the astronomers from hundreds of years ago were starting from scratch. They all believed the earth to be round, and the false conclusion of heliocentrism naturally followed from this false premise.

Incorrect.  Round earth geocentrism was the natural conclusion from that premise and was the dominant model for many, many years.  Heliocentrism was a radical idea that few took seriously and took quite a while to catch on because it was not an intuitive model given the sensibilities of the time.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 09, 2023, 12:51:31 AM »

I simply observe the horizon rising with me (or the optical instrument).

Would you care to show us an example of the horizon rising with an optical instrument?  Preferably one with a reference level.

What is tilting the camera up or down supposed to prove?    Photographers can put the horizon anywhere they want.  That's why I asked for a reference level.

Would you care to explain why things that are farther away at sea level appear higher than things that are closer if it's all exponential downward curvature of Earth?

And how did those boats appear to compress together along with the horizon when the camera was closer to the ground? Did the curve do that too?

No, perspective did that.  As objects approach the vanishing point (usually on the horizon), they appear to rise closer to that vanishing point.  Again, you really should review the basic rules of perspective because they do apply, even on a round earth.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 08, 2023, 09:06:27 PM »

I simply observe the horizon rising with me (or the optical instrument).

Would you care to show us an example of the horizon rising with an optical instrument?  Preferably one with a reference level.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors

« on: September 07, 2023, 08:58:35 PM »

The oldest and best proof of the Earth's flatness can be seen by looking out your window.

What if that window is on a spacecraft orbiting the moon?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing

« on: September 04, 2023, 10:54:09 PM »

R.I.P Steve Harwell