[Tom Bishop]

The Wiki admits that those projects up to at least 2005 required international collaborators (NASA).

Where does Wikipedia admit that NASA collaboration was required for those projects?  How do you know which projects NASA collaborated on and which ones were entirely Japanese home gown?

Well, they plainly admit that their projects are mainly led by NASA on their website.

See the bolded below:

http://global.jaxa.jp/activity/int/

International cooperation between the United States and Japan started in 1969, when "The Japan-U.S. Joint Communique" on cooperation in space development was exchanged. Since then, JAXA has been participating in international projects, which have been mainly led by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)

The JAXA wiki clearly states that the projects up until at least 2005 were international projects. Now this page is saying that the international projects were mainly led by NASA.

Therefore we see that, surprise surprise, NASA has been leading JAXA space projects.

[markjo]

Since when does participating in international projects preclude Japan from carrying out their own home grown space missions at the same time?

[Tom Bishop]

Since when does participating in international projects preclude Japan from carrying out their own home grown space missions at the same time?

The Wiki says that missions up to at least 2005 were international co-ops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAXA

As JAXA shifted away from international efforts beginning in 2005, plans are developing for independent space missions, such as a proposed manned mission to the moon.

If "plans are developing" for an independent space mission, then it means that they have not had one at the time that was written.

[markjo]

Where does it say that Japan's space agencies exclusively participated in international projects? 

Are you saying that every single satellite that Japan launched before 2005 was an international effort?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Space_and_Astronautical_Science#Before_establishment_of_JAXA

[Tom Bishop]

Where does it say that Japan's space agencies exclusively participated in international projects?

If "plans are developing" for an independent space mission, then it means that they have not had one at the time that was written. 

Are you saying that every single satellite that Japan launched before 2005 was an international effort?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Space_and_Astronautical_Science#Before_establishment_of_JAXA

That's what the JAXA Wikipedia and home pages say.

[markjo]

Where does it say that Japan's space agencies exclusively participated in international projects?

If "plans are developing" for an independent space mission, then it means that they have not had one at the time that was written. 

Not necessarily.  It could mean that they done both collaborations and independent missions in the past and want to focus on independent missions going forwards.

Are you saying that every single satellite that Japan launched before 2005 was an international effort?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Space_and_Astronautical_Science#Before_establishment_of_JAXA

That's what the JAXA Wikipedia and home pages say.

No, that's your interpretation of what they say.

[Tom Bishop]

Here is another source with different phrasing:

https://books.google.com/books?id=LrWAoxzNzRMC&lpg=PA28&ots=mgYIEeqHNt&dq=%22jaxa%22%20%22international%20efforts%22&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q&f=false

Following a shift away from international efforts in 2005, JAXA plans to perform its own space missions, including a proposed manned mission to the moon.

This one clearly says that they are planning to perform their own space missions after 2005. Why would they need to plan to perform their own space missions if they had already been performing their own space missions for decades?

[Tom Bishop]

Lets look at the job employment sections on the JAXA page for the types of jobs they are filling:

http://global.jaxa.jp/about/employ/index.html

Project Research Associate

Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) calls for young researchers participation in various aerospace projects with specialized knowledge which promote the projects more effectively and efficiently.

Internship

JAXA offers an internship program for students with a strong interest in space aeronautics to have on-site job experience related to their major and their future careers.

Job Announcement for One Associate Professor Position (full time) at ISAS

JAXA seeks to recruit an associate professor (Academic staff) at Department of Solar System Sciences, Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (ISAS).

Job Announcement for One Professor Position at ISAS

JAXA seeks to recruit a professor (Academic staff) at Department of Space Astronomy and Astrophysics, Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (ISAS).

JAXA Aerospace Project Research Associate recruitment 2015

Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) calls for young researchers participation in various aerospace projects with specialized knowledge which promote the projects more effectively and efficiently.

Job Announcement for One Associate Professor Position (full time) at ISAS

JAXA seeks to recruit an associate professor (Academic staff) at Department of Space Flight Systems, Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (ISAS).

Job Announcement for One Associate Professor Position (full time) at ISAS

JAXA seeks to recruit an associate professor (Academic staff) at Department of Space Flight Systems, Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (ISAS).

All theoretical positions, mainly concerned with writing research papers to show off on their website. What about all of the aerospace engineers, space flight operators, and technicians to make the space program actually work?

[Rayzor]

Management of the launch vehicle moved from JAXA to MHI ( Mitsubishi Heavy Industries )

http://spaceflight101.com/spacerockets/h-iia-202/

[markjo]

This one clearly says that they are planning to perform their own space missions after 2005. Why would they need to plan to perform their own space missions if they had already been performing their own space missions for decades?

Again, planning to do their own space missions in the future does not preclude them from having done their own space missions in the past.  Missions like the Hakucho X-ray astronomy satellite in 1979. 

Or, some of these missions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALCA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozomi_%28probe%29

Where was NASA's participation in those missions?

[Tom Bishop]

Again, planning to do their own space missions in the future does not preclude them from having done their own space missions in the past.

If they are planning for an independent space mission starting in 2005 then it means they they have not performed an independent space mission. This is pretty basic English. How is that so difficult to understand?

Or, some of these missions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALCA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozomi_%28probe%29

Where was NASA's participation in those missions?

It says clearly on their website who is leading these missions:

http://global.jaxa.jp/activity/int/

International cooperation between the United States and Japan started in 1969, when "The Japan-U.S. Joint Communique" on cooperation in space development was exchanged. Since then, JAXA has been participating in international projects, which have been mainly led by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)

[markjo]

Again, planning to do their own space missions in the future does not preclude them from having done their own space missions in the past.

If they are planning for an independent space mission starting in 2005 then it means they they have not performed an independent space mission. This is pretty basic English. How is that so difficult to understand?

Are you saying that it's impossible to perform international space missions and independent space missions at the same time?

Or, some of these missions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALCA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozomi_%28probe%29

Where was NASA's participation in those missions?

It says clearly on their website who is leading these missions:

http://global.jaxa.jp/activity/int/

International cooperation between the United States and Japan started in 1969, when "The Japan-U.S. Joint Communique" on cooperation in space development was exchanged. Since then, JAXA has been participating in international projects, which have been mainly led by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)

Would you care to cite where those specific Japanese space missions that I provided were led by NASA, or are you just assuming that they were because that would be more convenient for your narrative?

[Pete Svarrior]

Are you saying that it's impossible to perform international space missions and independent space missions at the same time?

No, he's saying that you misread things and that you are now trying to hide it. It's okay, markjo. Cut your losses and move on.

[markjo]

Are you saying that it's impossible to perform international space missions and independent space missions at the same time?

No, he's saying that you misread things and that you are now trying to hide it.

Interesting.  I'm pretty much saying the same thing about him.

It's okay, markjo. Cut your losses and move on.

Why?  I haven't lost anything yet.

[Pete Svarrior]

Sigh. If you insist. Just please be aware that you're only lying to yourself.

[markjo]

Sigh. If you insist. Just please be aware that you're only lying to yourself.

Oh?  Did you find any citations showing that those Japanese space missions that I listed were led by NASA or are we just supposed to take Tom's word for it?