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Title: NASA's misinformation
Post by: coiner on March 28, 2019, 10:24:38 AM
Hello everyone!

I'm new to this community but I have recently been convinced about the flat earth and I look to find some more information on it! I was wondering if somebody could explain how NASA misinforms us and gives false information to brainwash society  >:(. I want to be critical so I was looking for examples of advertisements or photos that confirm their bias and misinformation. I'm really excited about the prominent future of our flat earth society and I hope one of you can take the time to help me with this!  ;)

Greetings,
Coiner


Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: Jeppspace on April 05, 2019, 05:42:19 PM
You will appreciate different Flat Earthers have different opinions, but this is your essentially accurate starting point...

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy

You may wish to review video footage of ISS crew steadying one another by wires, objects disappearing and reappearing repeatedly due to CGI glitches and certain crew members accidentally filmed in a VR studio when they are supposed to be on the ISS.

Tidings.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: ChrisTP on April 09, 2019, 02:19:45 PM
You may wish to review video footage of ISS crew steadying one another by wires, objects disappearing and reappearing repeatedly due to CGI glitches and certain crew members accidentally filmed in a VR studio when they are supposed to be on the ISS.

Tidings.
Allegedly
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: FullOfFallacies on April 13, 2019, 06:36:45 AM
Can I make a suggestion on an approach to take with making allegations against NASA with the intent to show that they are covering-up information and/or fabricating evidence of space, the solar system, and the universe?

I am writing this because it seems to be common practice to say NASA is covering something up, only to use media produced by NASA as evidence for the claim made -- and I am NOT talking about the post(s) above specifically, however, they too would also benefit from this suggestion.

Try to find evidence from outside source(s), for example, investigative journalists, leaked documents, and so on.

This is not to say that using evidence that is intentionally released from NASA is ALWAYS bad, but typically billion-dollar companies rarely release anything that wasn't intended to be released -- even if it does look like an accident, or an overlooked error.

The argument will just be given more merit if it is backed up by better, more reliable evidence, and evidence that NASA did NOT want to be out in the pubic.

Just a suggestion...

Enjoy,

-FoF


Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: Tumeni on April 13, 2019, 01:40:30 PM
What has it got to do with NASA in particular?

Yes, they may well be the pre-eminent space agency in the eyes of Americans, but let's not forget that the first orbital mission, first  animal in space, first man and woman in space, were ALL Russian missions. 

China, India, Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia have all been involved in recent years in lunar missions, the most recent of which, the Israeli one, took 47 days to get to the Moon due to its orbital path around the Earth. It was set up for an elliptical orbit which got larger and larger until the Moon's gravity pulled it in. 
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: KodyBair on April 15, 2019, 12:49:28 PM
Here is why the misinformation from NASA should lead to worry across the world. If NASA is giving everyone false information, how much do we know if false versus actually true?! If people get used to not telling the truth, they will continue to do so. Therefore, if the earth is flat, they will lie to us about it which they are doing right now as we speak. They are giving us false information and it is becoming absurd! NASA and the government are working to treat us as sheep and we need to find a way to get around this problem. We must speak out and prove to NASA that we see right through their lies and their misinformation! We know the earth is flat and now we must prove it!
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: Tumeni on April 15, 2019, 02:29:04 PM
Here is why the misinformation from NASA should lead to worry across the world. If NASA is giving everyone false information, how much do we know if false versus actually true?!

First of all, that's qualified with a big IF.

Second, you can check against the work of others. Disbelieve the NASA "Blue Marble"?  Russia, Japan, China and Saudi Arabia have all taken pictures of the globe from Earth or Lunar orbit.  etc.


If people get used to not telling the truth, they will continue to do so.

Again, that's a honkin' big IF. Not a definite. "If" they are doing this. They're not.


Therefore, if the earth is flat, they will lie to us about it which they are doing right now as we speak. They are giving us false information

Proof, please.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: totallackey on April 16, 2019, 10:50:15 AM
NASA is obviously a shill organization.

Tell everyone they released a image of a black hole...

LOL!
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: AATW on April 16, 2019, 11:19:55 AM
NASA is obviously a shill organization.

Tell everyone they released a image of a black hole...

LOL!
Solid rebuttal. Have you even taken any time to understand what they did here and how? Try this.

https://www.wimp.com/dr-katie-bouman-the-woman-responsible-for-the-photo-of-the-black-hole/

It's a TED talk by the lady who developed the algorithm which made all this possible - she did this a couple of years ago, before the image was made and explains the way they were working.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: totallackey on April 16, 2019, 12:29:59 PM
NASA is obviously a shill organization.

Tell everyone they released a image of a black hole...

LOL!
Solid rebuttal. Have you even taken any time to understand what they did here and how? Try this.

https://www.wimp.com/dr-katie-bouman-the-woman-responsible-for-the-photo-of-the-black-hole/

It's a TED talk by the lady who developed the algorithm which made all this possible - she did this a couple of years ago, before the image was made and explains the way they were working.
Yes, a solid rebuttal.

It isn't a photo.

It is an image (so apt, considering the root is closely related to IMAGINATION!!!)
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: Tumeni on April 16, 2019, 02:19:31 PM
It is isn't a photo.

It is an image (so apt, considering the root is closely related to IMAGINATION!!!)

For the purposes of clarity, could you define what you see as the difference (photo vs. image)?
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: ChrisTP on April 16, 2019, 02:36:53 PM
I think what he's trying to get at is that all photos are images but not all images are photos. But he provides no evidence that image of a black hole isn't a photo... So he's just pointlessly commenting nothing.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: Jeppspace on April 16, 2019, 03:02:11 PM
I like how they follow it up with a disagreement as to whom should actually be credited with the work.

What a fairy dairy scone on wheels.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: AATW on April 16, 2019, 03:04:04 PM
I kinda know what he's getting at here. It's not a photo in the sense that you go and take a photo of an object you can see.
This has been been pieced together from lots of data. Petabytes of it.
It's data of non-visible wavelengths and incomplete data at that. They've then used algorithms to turn all that into an image we can look at.
It's an amazing achievement, the video I posted above gives some idea of how they've done this.
But if the assertion is that they haven't done any of that and they've just wasted a lot of time and money of radio telescopes from all around the world and just got someone to knock it up in Photoshop then that is a completely baseless assertion.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: juner on April 16, 2019, 03:46:06 PM
NASA is obviously a shill organization.

Tell everyone they released a image of a black hole...

LOL!

Yeah, it is time for a break. Have a few days off to review the rules.

edit - since you have already had a 3-day ban before, I am making this one a week.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: totallackey on April 16, 2019, 03:46:45 PM
I think what he's trying to get at is that all photos are images but not all images are photos. But he provides no evidence that image of a black hole isn't a photo... So he's just pointlessly commenting nothing.
It isn't my responsibility to provide evidence of support the evidence.

NASA provided the image.

They admitted it was simply mathematical operations responsible for its production.

This isn't a point and shoot Kodachrome.

Nobody here is capable of interpreting inputs that would result in the output image.

I can enter any number of frequency inputs on a copper plate and all kinda marvelous shapes would result.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: markjo on April 16, 2019, 06:33:05 PM
I think what he's trying to get at is that all photos are images but not all images are photos. But he provides no evidence that image of a black hole isn't a photo... So he's just pointlessly commenting nothing.
It isn't my responsibility to provide evidence of support the evidence.

NASA provided the image.
Actually, they didn't. The image was created and presented by the Event Horizon Telescope.  As near as I can tell, NASA had a relatively minor role in the project.  Maybe you check out EHT's web site to find out a little more about the origin of the image in question.
https://eventhorizontelescope.org/
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: Tumeni on April 16, 2019, 07:55:20 PM
Here in the UK, there was an hour-long documentary the other night about the process of getting this black hole picture. Many of the folks involved in the project were interviewed on camera. Haven't watched it all yet, but...

I can hear the conspiracy theorists' rallying cry right now - "They could all be actors"

Yes, they could, but we could easily look a couple up, and see if there's a full and convincing back story of their previous science projects. Could this be falsified? Yes, but if it were, it would fall apart at the seams if, for instance, a University student at an establishment where they were claimed to have studied piped up and said - "He wasn't in my year!".   

If they are actors, then Hollywood needs to sign them up fast, because they're remarkably accomplished at it. 
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: Jeppspace on April 16, 2019, 08:28:04 PM
I don't think anyone here thinks they're "actors"... liars yes, but even scientists can lie.

Take for example, Nasa.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: Tumeni on April 16, 2019, 08:44:12 PM
I don't think anyone here thinks they're "actors"... liars yes, but even scientists can lie.

Take for example, Nasa.

Proof of these lies, please... merely saying they CAN lie is not proof of a lie.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: Jeppspace on April 16, 2019, 08:49:24 PM
I don't think anyone here thinks they're "actors"... liars yes, but even scientists can lie.

Take for example, Nasa.

Proof of these lies, please... merely saying they CAN lie is not proof of a lie.

I suggest you browse the forums for that data.

If any government wishes to order a court summons for voicing this opinion, I suggest they print it on flat paper.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: ChrisTP on April 17, 2019, 08:49:56 AM
I don't think anyone here thinks they're "actors"... liars yes, but even scientists can lie.

Take for example, Nasa.

Proof of these lies, please... merely saying they CAN lie is not proof of a lie.

I suggest you browse the forums for that data.

If any government wishes to order a court summons for voicing this opinion, I suggest they print it on flat paper.
That 'data' you refer to is some people on the internet saying that astronauts are clearly in water or it's all clearly cgi, or there's clearly a harness holding them up yet when I see these videos and photos they refer to I don't see any of that... Not even remotely. The only thing I've seen is the claim of cgi 'glitches' which are just lossy compression videos and photos.

One photo in particular where flat earthers claimed nasa photoshopped in a moon just so happened to have been edited which was explicitly stated on the nasa website that they just added some brightness to make the photo a little clearer and pleasing... Yet you have people like Tom creaming that it is obvious that they photoshopped in a moon (despite that same website having the original photo as well as the edited one). Another photo where nasa supposedly photoshopped in a moon just so happens to be an edited photo from the internet using a NASA photo as the source, so it wasn't even nasa, just trolls.

You have people here claiming astronauts are held up by cables yet point to videos where there are no cables. You get people here pointing to 'bubbles flying about during space walks' as if it's impossible for little bits to be floating around in space. People here claim that zero gravity is just on a plane diving down to earth, as if they could make a 50 minute video exploring the ISS with no cuts or transitions to the video on a <1 minute plane dive. Heck there are even people that outright deny the ISS exists despite the fact you can see it with your own eyes. People here claim the moon landings are faked just because they don't trust nasa, not because there's any actual evidence of fakery. Even the Tesla car that got launched into space recently people claimed fake because "you can see the studio they were filming in seconds before the cgi space background appears", which couldn't possibly have been the car sitting inside the rocket, right? NASA training their astronauts in pools is also not evidence of fakery either, in case anyone throws that in. Let's not forget how people also think that Curiosity is actually on earth, even though no one has ever ventured out to the part of the world they think NASA are filming on with the rover. Funny how no one has come across NASA actually doing that here on earth secretly, despite being out in the open.


Anyway you get my point. You have every right to not trust NASA and every right to be sceptical of all other space agencies if you want but your lack of trust is not equal to evidence that NASA lie. This is why above I quoted someone and said "allegedly". because all these claims that NASA are liars are just all opinion based, not factual. I'd suggest before claiming anyone are liars, claim with hard evidence otherwise that claim makes you the liar. Flat earthers most certainly do have an agenda, they NEED NASA to be fake if they're to believe the earth is flat. wanting NASA to be fake doesn't make them fake though.

Of all my time here the only people I've seen giving misinformation are flat earthers.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: AATW on April 17, 2019, 09:42:38 AM
These sorts of conversations usually go:

RE: NASA have just done ...
FE: Faaake!
RE: Do you have any evidence of fakery?
FE: The burden of proof is on NASA, not us!

And the last point is sorta true, if I claim to have done something extrodinary then it is up to me to evidence that. I guess NASA - and other space agencies - don't really feel the need to do anything beyond the endless photos and video they've taken from space, the fact that now hundreds of people have been to space and witnessed it for themselves and rockets demonstrably exist. That is the evidence for what they've done. What else can they reasonably do? Yes, of course all this could be faked, all the astronauts could be liars. But surely if there was fraud on this scale there would be some evidence of that. The best "evidence" you get are vague assertions about "bubbles" or "wires" which are certainly not definitive and the assertions are always made by people with a conspiracy theory mindset who have no expertise in photo and video analysis.

The assertion seems to be that NASA are simultaneously competent enough to fake these things with sufficient quality to fool the majority of the population and incompetent enough that the fakery can be spotted by amateurs with no training in photo or video analysis.

And, of course, NASA may be the poster boys for space travel but there are multiple space agencies across the globe now and private companies launching stuff into space. Plus there's the ISS which is visible from earth, technologies like GPS and satellite TV which demonstrably work, weather satellites etc etc. The idea that none of this technology really exists and is all being faked somehow is ludicrous. But it pretty much has to be if you're going to maintain belief in a FE.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: QED on April 17, 2019, 11:41:01 AM
I believe NASA has met their burden of proof. It is of course up to the individual to reject NASA’s evidence.

However, if some one makes a positive claim, such as: NASA’s evidence is FAKE, then they do have a burden to prove this. All positive claims have a burden of proof.

Hence, it is logically erroneous to state that all evidence is fake/fraudulent until proven otherwise. You can dismiss the evidence as unconvincing to YOU, but you don’t get a free pass to just claim anything is fake by default.

I am basing these statements on the rules of inductive, deductive, propositional, and syllogistic logic, as well as the standards of soundness, validity, and argumentation used in science.
Title: Re: NASA's misinformation
Post by: Jeppspace on April 17, 2019, 01:11:36 PM
Interesting points all round there.

I guess I am a little sensitive, but this is a Flat Earth forum, where people like myself who believe something quite contrary to the television, come to feel appreciated amongst like minded people who all quite naturally share the same opinion.

I don't personally expect the world to suddenly drop everything they are doing and shout "the world is flat", but neither do I expect the world to just spin blindly into a black hole of indoctrinated terror.

Whilst I don't believe the word of God was penned by the hand of a four armed elephant, in regards to my religious rights, my shoulders are likewise straight, with no burden upon them.

Tidings.