[Rushy]

https://apnews.com/article/russia-france-ukraine-liquified-natural-gas-shipments-eu-1bd02b575eace65806b4e37fffcd8186

On one hand, EU nations want the US to send more armaments to Ukraine to fight Russia. On the other hand, the EU gives money to Russia to fight Ukraine. What's the point in having NATO if NATO nations want to fund wars against NATO?

Germany is in a similar situation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-19/germany-still-trades-russian-gas-as-canceling-costs-10-billion

Here's an idea just... don't give them the money... it's that easy. You just don't send them any money. They're acting like the international contract system binds their hands with the divine light of God himself. You don't have to pay them...

[Lord Dave]

As someone who lives in Europe, let me just say how it would suck alot for me if they stopped.

Remember that undersea pipeline that blew up?  Yeah, so Norway began exporting even more power to Denmark and possibly Germany (can't say for certain) because electric heat was being used alot.  Needless to say, my power bill went up X4.  It was a very unpleasant winter.  Alot of companies and people had issues paying.  Fortunately the government stepped in to help but it's still hurt.

It's an unwinnable situation.  You either fund Russia, or you can't find Ukraine.

[Rushy]

As someone who lives in Europe, let me just say how it would suck alot for me if they stopped.

Remember that undersea pipeline that blew up?  Yeah, so Norway began exporting even more power to Denmark and possibly Germany (can't say for certain) because electric heat was being used alot.  Needless to say, my power bill went up X4.  It was a very unpleasant winter.  Alot of companies and people had issues paying.  Fortunately the government stepped in to help but it's still hurt.

It's an unwinnable situation.  You either fund Russia, or you can't find Ukraine.

If only there were a very large nation that kept warning about this very thing for over a decade only to be ignored because it was economically uncomfortable.

The fact of the matter is that most, if not all, European governments do not actually care about Ukraine. Which is why, coincidentally, they send very little armaments to Ukraine while sending billions of euros to Russia. It was all, once again, just political pity points for everyone to gather up. A moral high horse to ride until the high wore off.

We blew up that pipeline because we knew Europeans can't be trusted to make the correct decision. We should probably blow the rest of them up.

[Pete Svarrior]

If only there were a very large nation that kept warning about this very thing for over a decade only to be ignored because it was economically uncomfortable.

Yeah; France, Germany, Poland, Spain, Italy, Ukraine and Bulgaria are real homies for this. Though you're being too conservative with "a decade" - we're looking at quite a lot longer than that by now!

[Lord Dave]

As America knows so well, change is hard.
Still, folly for them.  But what can you do?  They're moving away but it's a slow ass process, sadly.