[Sydney]

In 1773 Captain Cook became the first modern explorer known to have breached the Antarctic Circle and reached the ice barrier. During three voyages, lasting three years and eight days, Captain Cook and crew sailed a total of 60,000 miles along the Antarctic coastline never once finding an inlet or path through or beyond the massive glacial wall! Captain Cook wrote: “The ice extended east 57 and west far beyond the reach of our sight, while the southern half of the horizon was illuminated by rays of light which were reflected from the ice to a considerable height. It was indeed my opinion that this ice extends quite to the pole, or perhaps joins some land to which it has been fixed since creation.”

On October 5th, 1839 another explorer, James Clark Ross began a series of Antarctic voyages lasting a total of 4 years and 5 months. Ross and his crew sailed two heavily armored warships thousands of miles, losing many men from hurricanes and icebergs, looking for an entry point beyond the southern glacial wall. Upon first confronting the massive barrier Captain Ross wrote of the wall, “extending from its eastern extreme point as far as the eye could discern to the eastward. It presented an extraordinary appearance, gradually increasing in height, as we got nearer to it, and proving at length to be a perpendicular cliff of ice, between one hundred and fifty feet and two hundred feet above the level of the sea, perfectly flat and level at the top, and without any fissures or promontories on its even seaward face. We might with equal chance of success try to sail through the cliffs of Dover, as to penetrate such a mass.”

“Yes, but we can circumnavigate the South easily enough,‟ is often said by those who don't know, The British Ship Challenger recently completed the circuit of the Southern region - indirectly, to be sure - but she was three years about it, and traversed nearly 69,000 miles - a stretch long enough to have taken her six times round on the globular hypothesis.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (78)

[douglips]

The Challenger sailed as far north as Japan in the Pacific, and as far north as Halifax (and London, of course) in the Atlantic. This could hardly be called a circumnavigation of Antarctica for purposes of size comparison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_expedition

[Northman77]

In 1773 Captain Cook became the first modern explorer known to have breached the Antarctic Circle and reached the ice barrier. During three voyages, lasting three years and eight days, Captain Cook and crew sailed a total of 60,000 miles along the Antarctic coastline never once finding an inlet or path through or beyond the massive glacial wall! Captain Cook wrote: “The ice extended east 57 and west far beyond the reach of our sight, while the southern half of the horizon was illuminated by rays of light which were reflected from the ice to a considerable height. It was indeed my opinion that this ice extends quite to the pole, or perhaps joins some land to which it has been fixed since creation.”

On October 5th, 1839 another explorer, James Clark Ross began a series of Antarctic voyages lasting a total of 4 years and 5 months. Ross and his crew sailed two heavily armored warships thousands of miles, losing many men from hurricanes and icebergs, looking for an entry point beyond the southern glacial wall. Upon first confronting the massive barrier Captain Ross wrote of the wall, “extending from its eastern extreme point as far as the eye could discern to the eastward. It presented an extraordinary appearance, gradually increasing in height, as we got nearer to it, and proving at length to be a perpendicular cliff of ice, between one hundred and fifty feet and two hundred feet above the level of the sea, perfectly flat and level at the top, and without any fissures or promontories on its even seaward face. We might with equal chance of success try to sail through the cliffs of Dover, as to penetrate such a mass.”

“Yes, but we can circumnavigate the South easily enough,‟ is often said by those who don't know, The British Ship Challenger recently completed the circuit of the Southern region - indirectly, to be sure - but she was three years about it, and traversed nearly 69,000 miles - a stretch long enough to have taken her six times round on the globular hypothesis.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (78)

Dear Mr. Sydney; Nowadays we actually circumnavigate Antartica for fun http://www.acronautic.com/antartica-cup-ocean-race/

[AATW]

The firmament is defined as a crystalline material that enshrines the earth.

Where is that definition and what is your evidence for it existing?

[Sydney]

The Challenger sailed as far north as Japan in the Pacific, and as far north as Halifax (and London, of course) in the Atlantic. This could hardly be called a circumnavigation of Antarctica for purposes of size comparison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_expedition

Fair enough. What about Captain Cook?

[Northman77]

The Challenger sailed as far north as Japan in the Pacific, and as far north as Halifax (and London, of course) in the Atlantic. This could hardly be called a circumnavigation of Antarctica for purposes of size comparison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_expedition

Fair enough. What about Captain Cook?

Yes, what about Captain Cook? What did he prove? Since you prefer to use 17th and 18th centrury explorers to prove your standings, that actually paved the way for more recent conclusions, how about Ranulph Fiennes and Charles Burton? How do you expalin that? While you are at it; explain the rather long list of explorers since the 15th century that hav circumnavigated the globe.

[douglips]

Fair enough. What about Captain Cook?

This is not that difficult.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_voyage_of_James_Cook



The voyage from London to Capetown and back is easily 15 to 20 thousand miles. He made a lap of almost the entire south pacific ocean which is likely about 20 thousand miles, plus a smaller lap in the southwest pacific.

Note also that if you are quoting a mileage for such a voyage, you are relying on round earth measurements made by the royal navy, which clearly work because the earth is round but for you to believe them should feel strange, right?

[JohnAdams1145]

Sydney derailed this thread into an argument about whether the ice wall as presented in the AE map has been observed by certain explorers.

The initial question was how could an ice wall be so tall, be supported by a massive base, and completely invisible?

So far, the only logically tenable position has been given by Baby Thork, who says that there is a massive dome keeping the air in. Of course, this has its own problems, particularly of support (the dome has to be obscenely strong material), but does anyone else have an explanation?

[AATW]

The only two arguments I've seen which would kinda work in terms of the "atmoplane" leaking out into space are a physical dome or an infinite plane.
These are two FE models - it's weird how they can't agree about fundamental differences like this and don't see that as a problem.
A very tall wall would also work but the you'd surely be able to see it.
Would a dome need supporting if we pretend gravity doesn't exist (sorry, Cavendish)?

[JohnAdams1145]

That would depend on how far the dome was from the Earth. If FE claims that amateur rockets have hit the dome, then clearly some form of gravitation (maybe due to UA) exists up there, since the rockets had to continually thrust to not drop like a rock.