Re: Law of Perspective - Distance to Horizon
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2018, 05:01:10 AM »
How in the world are these pages on the same wiki:
https://wiki.tfes.org/High_Altitude_Photographs
https://wiki.tfes.org/Horizon_always_at_Eye_Level


You can't have both ways! If you see the horizon as curved, then how can it always be at eye level? You're clearly looking down on the area that was cast by the "spotlight." Seems like FE has some thinking to do.

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Re: Law of Perspective - Distance to Horizon
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2018, 05:03:25 AM »
The dime obscuring an elephant example is not analogous. If a dime is on the ground and you are standing, it does not matter how far away the dime or the elephant is, it cannot obscure it.

Sure, at close distances. However, the horizon line is at eye level.

Incorrect. And the higher your altitude, the more inaccurate your statement is, but yet you can still see skyscrapers in Niagara Falls that are hidden behind the horizon when you on the observation deck of the CN tower.
Technically the explanation for why the sun sets at higher altitudes is also "waves," and whatnot.

Re: Law of Perspective - Distance to Horizon
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2018, 06:05:20 AM »
If the horizon is curved due to the spotlight sun, then a bright light source ought to be visible beyond that circle, especially at night.

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Re: Law of Perspective - Distance to Horizon
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2018, 01:22:13 PM »
The dime obscuring an elephant example is not analogous. If a dime is on the ground and you are standing, it does not matter how far away the dime or the elephant is, it cannot obscure it.

Sure, at close distances. However, the horizon line is at eye level.

This is so obviously false. If a dime is placed on the ground, it will not be visible at the horizon. It is too small. But, in the spirit of being overly generous, let's say you can see the dime at the horizon. This would mean that the elephant is over the horizon and no longer visible. If it was right behind the dime, it would be visible. The dime would never cover the elephant. The only way for your silly statement to work is if you hold the dime in your like of sight.
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Re: Law of Perspective - Distance to Horizon
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2018, 02:20:47 PM »
How in the world are these pages on the same wiki:
https://wiki.tfes.org/High_Altitude_Photographs
https://wiki.tfes.org/Horizon_always_at_Eye_Level


You can't have both ways! If you see the horizon as curved, then how can it always be at eye level? You're clearly looking down on the area that was cast by the "spotlight." Seems like FE has some thinking to do.

The horizon is a different concept than the sun's circular spotlight.

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Re: Law of Perspective - Distance to Horizon
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2018, 02:23:23 PM »
The dime obscuring an elephant example is not analogous. If a dime is on the ground and you are standing, it does not matter how far away the dime or the elephant is, it cannot obscure it.

Sure, at close distances. However, the horizon line is at eye level.

Incorrect. And the higher your altitude, the more inaccurate your statement is, but yet you can still see skyscrapers in Niagara Falls that are hidden behind the horizon when you on the observation deck of the CN tower.

At higher altitudes the horizon becomes hazy, and eventually dips, because the edges of the sun's circular spotlight is not the same as the horizon.

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Re: Law of Perspective - Distance to Horizon
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2018, 02:40:43 PM »
The dime obscuring an elephant example is not analogous. If a dime is on the ground and you are standing, it does not matter how far away the dime or the elephant is, it cannot obscure it.

Sure, at close distances. However, the horizon line is at eye level.

Incorrect. And the higher your altitude, the more inaccurate your statement is, but yet you can still see skyscrapers in Niagara Falls that are hidden behind the horizon when you on the observation deck of the CN tower.

At higher altitudes the horizon becomes hazy, and eventually dips, because the edges of the sun's circular spotlight is not the same as the horizon.

This is irrelevant, even if it were true.  From the observation deck of the CN tower, the horizon is below eye level and you can see a skyscraper in Niagara Falls partially hidden behind that horizon.
Technically the explanation for why the sun sets at higher altitudes is also "waves," and whatnot.