FE Model Limits
« on: February 21, 2019, 01:01:47 AM »
I have an idea about the model, to see what you think. Suppose the earth is flat, but it has no limits. That is to say, it would be like the pac-man, when you come out on the one hand, you appear on the other. What do you think?

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Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2019, 08:55:14 AM »
So if you're in the South pole and go south, do you end up at the North pole?
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Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2019, 12:19:29 PM »
So if you're in the South pole and go south, do you end up at the North pole?

No, if u see the model FE, u will see the real map. The end of the map will be the antartida. Always. You can see it in the wiki https://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_Maps

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Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2019, 05:28:53 PM »
So if you're in the South pole and go south, do you end up at the North pole?

No, if u see the model FE, u will see the real map. The end of the map will be the antartida. Always. You can see it in the wiki https://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_Maps

I disagree. I don't believe there is any way that is the real map. This is an infinite repeating flat earth model.  kind of like this:



www.mapquest.com
https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/
suncalc.net



I have an idea about the model, to see what you think. Suppose the earth is flat, but it has no limits. That is to say, it would be like the pac-man, when you come out on the one hand, you appear on the other. What do you think?

I personally love that model but many people here don't because it does not have things like an ice wall, a dome, or a firmament.

Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2019, 10:03:55 PM »
So if you're in the South pole and go south, do you end up at the North pole?

No, if u see the model FE, u will see the real map. The end of the map will be the antartida. Always. You can see it in the wiki https://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_Maps

I disagree. I don't believe there is any way that is the real map. This is an infinite repeating flat earth model.  kind of like this:



www.mapquest.com
https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/
suncalc.net



I have an idea about the model, to see what you think. Suppose the earth is flat, but it has no limits. That is to say, it would be like the pac-man, when you come out on the one hand, you appear on the other. What do you think?

I personally love that model but many people here don't because it does not have things like an ice wall, a dome, or a firmament.

I think you have not understood what I mean. The model you send is the classic model, but that's not what I mean. What I want to say is that, as in the map you send, when you exit on the right, you appear on the left, the same thing would happen but with the map of the FE model. Only it would be in all directions, being a circumference. I send you an image explaining the phenomenon.

Sorry for the low quality, it's just a scheme to facilitate understanding.

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Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2019, 11:39:35 AM »
All FE models seem to be based on a 'make it up as you go along' basis so I guess anything goes!

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Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2019, 12:51:34 PM »
Lets assume your hypothesis is worth pursuing. How would you experiment to find out if it were true and is the result in any way more complete than just earth being a globe? I for one would be interested in what happens when you step to the edge and turn left or right (relative to facing south), how fast do you travel around the outside of the disk?
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Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2019, 02:09:17 PM »
I've been advocating a similar model for a while, there's no reason to believe that space is just a plain Euclidean environment, even RET doesn't believe that. There is absolutely no reason for there to not be any thinner areas that connect one side to another, and in line with this there's no reason to think this edge is in Antarctica when it could be a location more regularly traversed. If it is possible to travel in such a way, which it certainly is, light and air and everything would 'loop' around, though in truth it's not like anything special happens. It is travel through space, just as you travel anywhere else. In truth it follows simply from the notion of space possessing a concentration.

If you want to support such a model, I propose the transition be at the equator rather than Antarctica. It explains a number of phenomenon that way.
My DE model explained here.
Open to questions, but if you're curious start there rather than expecting me to explain it all from scratch every time.

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Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2019, 04:09:12 PM »

I think you have not understood what I mean. The model you send is the classic model, but that's not what I mean. What I want to say is that, as in the map you send, when you exit on the right, you appear on the left, the same thing would happen but with the map of the FE model. Only it would be in all directions, being a circumference. I send you an image explaining the phenomenon.

Sorry for the low quality, it's just a scheme to facilitate understanding.

the models i sent are the earth being represented as a flat plane. These are maps of an alternate flat earth model.

Here's an example where it's not infinitely repeating. notice out the time zone on the edge pac-mans to the right?

 Flights that I have personally taken are impossible on the flat circle model with an ice wall.

I've explained it here:

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=9213.msg144149#msg144149



https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/


https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/
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Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2019, 06:38:08 PM »

I think you have not understood what I mean. The model you send is the classic model, but that's not what I mean. What I want to say is that, as in the map you send, when you exit on the right, you appear on the left, the same thing would happen but with the map of the FE model. Only it would be in all directions, being a circumference. I send you an image explaining the phenomenon.

Sorry for the low quality, it's just a scheme to facilitate understanding.

the models i sent are the earth being represented as a flat plane. These are maps of an alternate flat earth model.

Here's an example where it's not infinitely repeating. notice out the time zone on the edge pac-mans to the right?

 Flights that I have personally taken are impossible on the flat circle model with an ice wall.

I've explained it here:

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=9213.msg144149#msg144149



https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/


https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

I have not talked about walls at any time, I've only had a layer of solid ice to prevent the overflow of the oceans, but you can walk and fly over it without problems.

Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2019, 06:39:44 PM »
I've been advocating a similar model for a while, there's no reason to believe that space is just a plain Euclidean environment, even RET doesn't believe that. There is absolutely no reason for there to not be any thinner areas that connect one side to another, and in line with this there's no reason to think this edge is in Antarctica when it could be a location more regularly traversed. If it is possible to travel in such a way, which it certainly is, light and air and everything would 'loop' around, though in truth it's not like anything special happens. It is travel through space, just as you travel anywhere else. In truth it follows simply from the notion of space possessing a concentration.

If you want to support such a model, I propose the transition be at the equator rather than Antarctica. It explains a number of phenomenon that way.

Sorry but, i cant understand your model, can u explain to me a little bit?

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Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2019, 07:19:31 PM »
I've been advocating a similar model for a while, there's no reason to believe that space is just a plain Euclidean environment, even RET doesn't believe that. There is absolutely no reason for there to not be any thinner areas that connect one side to another, and in line with this there's no reason to think this edge is in Antarctica when it could be a location more regularly traversed. If it is possible to travel in such a way, which it certainly is, light and air and everything would 'loop' around, though in truth it's not like anything special happens. It is travel through space, just as you travel anywhere else. In truth it follows simply from the notion of space possessing a concentration.

If you want to support such a model, I propose the transition be at the equator rather than Antarctica. It explains a number of phenomenon that way.

Sorry but, i cant understand your model, can u explain to me a little bit?
Could you be any vaguer?
My DE model explained here.
Open to questions, but if you're curious start there rather than expecting me to explain it all from scratch every time.

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Re: FE Model Limits
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2019, 08:39:31 PM »
I've been advocating a similar model for a while, there's no reason to believe that space is just a plain Euclidean environment, even RET doesn't believe that. There is absolutely no reason for there to not be any thinner areas that connect one side to another, and in line with this there's no reason to think this edge is in Antarctica when it could be a location more regularly traversed. If it is possible to travel in such a way, which it certainly is, light and air and everything would 'loop' around, though in truth it's not like anything special happens. It is travel through space, just as you travel anywhere else. In truth it follows simply from the notion of space possessing a concentration.

If you want to support such a model, I propose the transition be at the equator rather than Antarctica. It explains a number of phenomenon that way.

I have several big problems with the flat disk model. I'm of the firm belief that there is 100-200 square mile place on this planet known as the south pole. In the flat disk model no such place exists.
It also struggles heavily with explaining a full moon which is visible from both Alaska and the southern tip of south america.
It also struggles heavily with explaining known and measured flight paths, flight distances, shipping paths, shipping distances, shipping times, and flight times.
It also struggles with appealing to anyone who firmly believes that the earth is round.

A flat repeating model that repeats on a line of longitude is widely accepted and used all across the world. does not struggle with the problems listed above.

https://www.mapquest.com/


I suggest it and it gets shot down because of things like "the north pole is not in the center" or "there is no dome"