[totallackey]

I support affordable healthcare for all, not perhaps we could stay on topic?

Well, your position has changed.

I thought you were a firm advocate for universal healthcare and were decrying Trump for his attempt to eliminate ACA and refusal to adopt a more socialist agenda, in particular, relating to a refusal to adopt universal health care?

You claiming that universal health care is the much better solution and all...You are not on record as having written such things?

[Rama Set]

I support affordable healthcare for all, not perhaps we could stay on topic?

Well, your position has changed.

I thought you were a firm advocate for universal healthcare and were decrying Trump for his attempt to eliminate ACA and refusal to adopt a more socialist agenda, in particular, relating to a refusal to adopt universal health care?

You claiming that universal health care is the much better solution and all...You are not on record as having written such things?

I think the American system isn't great and was moving in a better direction.  I won't be dogmatic about MFA being the only solution, but it's superior to the what you guys currently have.

[totallackey]

I support affordable healthcare for all, not perhaps we could stay on topic?

Well, your position has changed.

I thought you were a firm advocate for universal healthcare and were decrying Trump for his attempt to eliminate ACA and refusal to adopt a more socialist agenda, in particular, relating to a refusal to adopt universal health care?

You claiming that universal health care is the much better solution and all...You are not on record as having written such things?

I think the American system isn't great and was moving in a better direction.  I won't be dogmatic about MFA being the only solution, but it's superior to the what you guys currently have.

MFA?

[Rama Set]

I support affordable healthcare for all, not perhaps we could stay on topic?

Well, your position has changed.

I thought you were a firm advocate for universal healthcare and were decrying Trump for his attempt to eliminate ACA and refusal to adopt a more socialist agenda, in particular, relating to a refusal to adopt universal health care?

You claiming that universal health care is the much better solution and all...You are not on record as having written such things?

I think the American system isn't great and was moving in a better direction.  I won't be dogmatic about MFA being the only solution, but it's superior to the what you guys currently have.

MFA?

Medicare For All.  Just an acronym so I don't have to type out "single payer healthcare" every time.

[Lord Dave]

Yes, but it would require a major shift in culture from 'Me and mine only!' to 'We're all one nation'.

The US was founded on a one nation principle.

It wasn't.  Read "The Articles of Confederation" for clarity.

"We're all one nation," is not a cultural statement, it is a philosophical statement.

Its both really.

A major shift to what culture?

Mexican, Irish, Israeli, Hungarian, Chinese, Indian, Russian?

You do not describe a culture.

The concept of individual property rights is not a cultural concept, it is a philosophical concept.

The reason I didn't describe a culture is because it's not a specific culture to emulate.  It's a change in ours. 

You know that the culture of America in the 1950s was different than now, yes?  Like that.  Not saying "Oh, be more Mexican" but more "Oh, change how Americans think to this concept..."

When people talk of Universal Health care, one of the biggest arguments against it is "why should I pay for someone else's health care?".  Why should I pay for it.  Meanwhile, every other nation with public care/education/services goes "Why wouldn't I?  It's for me too and helps us all in the end."

See, American culture is full of self sufficiency.  The idea that if you can't stand on your own, you don't deserve to be helped.  You see it in politics when senators put in ear marks to help their states, even if it costs everyone a little bit more.  (like adding an extra $5,000 for a new park in a bill for authorizing weapon sales to France)  You see it in the streets as people walk by a man literally bleeding to death in NYC and ignoring him.  You see it in our neighbors as they "mind their own business".  We Americans want for ourselves, not for others.  We'll happily let a single mom struggle just so we don't have to pay extra in taxes.  So we can keep OUR money.  So we can be sure OUR money isn't funding LAZY people. 

THAT is what must change.  The mental concept that we're not all in it together.  That someone across the country has just as much value as you.  That your tax dollars, what you pay, aren't yours to do with as you please.  They belong to everyone and should go to making sure everyone is better, not just you.

[Roundy]

Yes, but it would require a major shift in culture from 'Me and mine only!' to 'We're all one nation'.

The US was founded on a one nation principle.

It wasn't.  Read "The Articles of Confederation" for clarity.

"We're all one nation," is not a cultural statement, it is a philosophical statement.

Its both really.

A major shift to what culture?

Mexican, Irish, Israeli, Hungarian, Chinese, Indian, Russian?

You do not describe a culture.

The concept of individual property rights is not a cultural concept, it is a philosophical concept.

The reason I didn't describe a culture is because it's not a specific culture to emulate.  It's a change in ours. 

You know that the culture of America in the 1950s was different than now, yes?  Like that.  Not saying "Oh, be more Mexican" but more "Oh, change how Americans think to this concept..."

When people talk of Universal Health care, one of the biggest arguments against it is "why should I pay for someone else's health care?".  Why should I pay for it.  Meanwhile, every other nation with public care/education/services goes "Why wouldn't I?  It's for me too and helps us all in the end."

See, American culture is full of self sufficiency.  The idea that if you can't stand on your own, you don't deserve to be helped.  You see it in politics when senators put in ear marks to help their states, even if it costs everyone a little bit more.  (like adding an extra $5,000 for a new park in a bill for authorizing weapon sales to France)  You see it in the streets as people walk by a man literally bleeding to death in NYC and ignoring him.  You see it in our neighbors as they "mind their own business".  We Americans want for ourselves, not for others.  We'll happily let a single mom struggle just so we don't have to pay extra in taxes.  So we can keep OUR money.  So we can be sure OUR money isn't funding LAZY people. 

THAT is what must change.  The mental concept that we're not all in it together.  That someone across the country has just as much value as you.  That your tax dollars, what you pay, aren't yours to do with as you please.  They belong to everyone and should go to making sure everyone is better, not just you.

Well said. In the end it's good old-fashioned American greed getting in the way of a modern healthcare system. Like so many other problems in this country.

[Lord Dave]

I don't know if I'd call it greed.  Greed is wanting excess for the sake of excess. 

This feels more like fear of losing what you have so you need to hang onto as much as you can.

[JSS]

I don't know if I'd call it greed.  Greed is wanting excess for the sake of excess. 

This feels more like fear of losing what you have so you need to hang onto as much as you can.

I suppose it's greed if you have an excess and don't want to give any of it up.

If you make ten million a year and don't want to only make nine million a year to give everyone health care, that's greed.

If you make a billion a year, that's so greedy I can't imagine how horrible a person you need to be to think you need MORE at the expense of the most vulnerable.

I can't imagine Trump has ever given a large (to him) sum of money to any charity, ever.  With the way he brags, he would have told people if he gave a billion to feeding the poor or planting trees, or anything at all.

Greed, pure and simple.

[Roundy]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/494199-georgia-democrat-announces-resignation-days-after-endorsing-trump

This is kind of funny. Imagine, a Democrat being driven out of office for endorsing Trump. Surely he understood ahead of time that it would be career suicide?

Seriously, I feel like there's more to this story than we're seeing here, unless this guy is just that dumb. To be fair I have seen some dumb state reps in my time.

[honk]

I can't imagine Trump has ever given a large (to him) sum of money to any charity, ever.  With the way he brags, he would have told people if he gave a billion to feeding the poor or planting trees, or anything at all.

My favorite story about Trump and charity is the time he crashed a ribbon-cutting for a children's charity and took an actual donor's reserved seat so that people would assume he too was a donor. The article also goes into detail about how Trump's charitable activities seem to largely be a smokescreen.

[garygreen]

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-mcconnell-bailouts-new-york-20200422-fjli4iuxznapdol3csfzyu7j3q-story.html

mitch mcconnell is a terrorist and should be executed by the state for treason

[Lord Dave]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/494199-georgia-democrat-announces-resignation-days-after-endorsing-trump

This is kind of funny. Imagine, a Democrat being driven out of office for endorsing Trump. Surely he understood ahead of time that it would be career suicide?

Seriously, I feel like there's more to this story than we're seeing here, unless this guy is just that dumb. To be fair I have seen some dumb state reps in my time.

Could be he wanted some good old fashioned Trump love for his state.  Or praise.  Or to win the next election by getting a Trump endorsement.

[totallackey]

Yes, but it would require a major shift in culture from 'Me and mine only!' to 'We're all one nation'.

The US was founded on a one nation principle.

It wasn't.  Read "The Articles of Confederation" for clarity.

You mean, "The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union?"

That is the full title you know...please read it again.

And I will remind you that more people still clamor to come to the United States than other country in the world.

"We're all one nation," is not a cultural statement, it is a philosophical statement.

Its both really.

No, it isn't.

A major shift to what culture?

Mexican, Irish, Israeli, Hungarian, Chinese, Indian, Russian?

You do not describe a culture.

The concept of individual property rights is not a cultural concept, it is a philosophical concept.

The reason I didn't describe a culture is because it's not a specific culture to emulate.  It's a change in ours. 

You know that the culture of America in the 1950s was different than now, yes?  Like that.  Not saying "Oh, be more Mexican" but more "Oh, change how Americans think to this concept..."

When people talk of Universal Health care, one of the biggest arguments against it is "why should I pay for someone else's health care?".  Why should I pay for it.  Meanwhile, every other nation with public care/education/services goes "Why wouldn't I?  It's for me too and helps us all in the end."

Yet you rail against Sweden?

See, American culture is full of self sufficiency.  The idea that if you can't stand on your own, you don't deserve to be helped.

Horse hockey.

More charitable contributions originate from the US than any other nation in the world.

You see it in politics when senators put in ear marks to help their states, even if it costs everyone a little bit more.  (like adding an extra $5,000 for a new park in a bill for authorizing weapon sales to France)  You see it in the streets as people walk by a man literally bleeding to death in NYC and ignoring him.  You see it in our neighbors as they "mind their own business".  We Americans want for ourselves, not for others.  We'll happily let a single mom struggle just so we don't have to pay extra in taxes.  So we can keep OUR money.  So we can be sure OUR money isn't funding LAZY people.

Yeah, again with the unsubstantiated broad brush painting.

THAT is what must change.  The mental concept that we're not all in it together.  That someone across the country has just as much value as you.  That your tax dollars, what you pay, aren't yours to do with as you please.  They belong to everyone and should go to making sure everyone is better, not just you.

My tax dollars are mine, by definition.

I don't need some jackass who thinks he knows better than I do determining how to spend the money I am forced to pay them.

[stack]

I don't need some jackass who thinks he knows better than I do determining how to spend the money I am forced to pay them.

Ummm, I'm pretty sure that's what our government does every waking moment of every day; Determines what your tax dollars should be spent on. So by and large, we are letting some jackass(es) who thinks s/he knows better than we do determining how to spend the money we are forced to pay them.

[Roundy]

Hmm. Lackey, I thought you were American. What country do you live in that allows you to decide how your taxes are spent?

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/494199-georgia-democrat-announces-resignation-days-after-endorsing-trump

This is kind of funny. Imagine, a Democrat being driven out of office for endorsing Trump. Surely he understood ahead of time that it would be career suicide?

Seriously, I feel like there's more to this story than we're seeing here, unless this guy is just that dumb. To be fair I have seen some dumb state reps in my time.

Could be he wanted some good old fashioned Trump love for his state.  Or praise.  Or to win the next election by getting a Trump endorsement.

A Trump endorsement is going to help a Democrat win reelection?

Obviously no one with half a brain would believe that. This guy has "shill" written all over him. Watch, his next career will be as a regular contributor on Fox News.

[juner]

On the notion of galaxy brains and good genes:

A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or very powerful light. And I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going test it. Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way.

And I think you said you’re going test that too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number in the lungs. It would be interesting to check you’re going have to use medical doctors with that, but it sounds interesting to me. And so we’ll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s pretty powerful

[crutonius]

Please.  Trump must be heard to be properly appreciated.

Just savor this.  It's the same level of stupidity that compelled him to suggest nuking a hurricane.

[JSS]

Please.  Trump must be heard to be properly appreciated.

Just savor this.  It's the same level of stupidity that compelled him to suggest nuking a hurricane.

He wants to put the UV light inside us through the skin, or some other way. Maybe some disinfectant too? Very powerful!

My god, he's like a four year old saying "DADDY! DA SKY IS DIRTY! LETS WASH IT WIT A GIANT TOOFBRUSH!" and expecting to get praise and a cookie for his amazing ideas. The stupidity is painful.

And yet, his supporters still think he's super intelligent.

This is why we're fucked as a species. We are so screwed.

[Dr David Thork]

Please.  Trump must be heard to be properly appreciated.

Just savor this.  It's the same level of stupidity that compelled him to suggest nuking a hurricane.

He wants to put the UV light inside us through the skin, or some other way. Maybe some disinfectant too? Very powerful!

My god, he's like a four year old saying "DADDY! DA SKY IS DIRTY! LETS WASH IT WIT A GIANT TOOFBRUSH!" and expecting to get praise and a cookie for his amazing ideas. The stupidity is painful.

And yet, his supporters still think he's super intelligent.

This is why we're fucked as a species. We are so screwed.

Better the devil you know.

[crutonius]

Yeah.  Corn Pop.  I get it.

Just, please don't drink bleach to own the libs.