[Fortuna]

Will the socialism haters take the handout is the question?

Yeah. I’m looking forward to getting some of my money back that I donated to a career welfarer.

[Rama Set]

Will the socialism haters take the handout is the question?

Yeah. I’m looking forward to getting some of my money back that I donated to a career welfarer.

That... That’s not how taxes work.

[Rushy]

UBI, or any other kind of cash based welfare, is not a form of socialism.

[Lord Dave]

UBI, or any other kind of cash based welfare, is not a form of socialism.

But it is American Socialism.  Which seems to be defined as "Using tax payer(my) money to give people things or services that I don't want them to have because I don't get/want/need it"

Of course, I've seen people justify this by basically saying "This is my money.  I'm just getting it back".

Which is weird since its not just your money, its everyone's money, out into a pool, then given back out.  Like welfare.


Edit- wonder if I'd get a check...

[Rama Set]

UBI, or any other kind of cash based welfare, is not a form of socialism.

It’s what plenty of America a would call socialism, which is the point. Free healthcare isn’t socialism either, but is opposed as such.

[Rushy]

UBI, or any other kind of cash based welfare, is not a form of socialism.

But it is American Socialism.  Which seems to be defined as "Using tax payer(my) money to give people things or services that I don't want them to have because I don't get/want/need it"

Of course, I've seen people justify this by basically saying "This is my money.  I'm just getting it back".

Which is weird since its not just your money, its everyone's money, out into a pool, then given back out.  Like welfare.


Edit- wonder if I'd get a check...

Well, many people will end up receiving less money than they paid in taxes. Hence, it will feel like giving the government money and then it gives it back to you.

UBI, or any other kind of cash based welfare, is not a form of socialism.

It’s what plenty of America a would call socialism, which is the point. Free healthcare isn’t socialism either, but is opposed as such.

How is that "the point"? Instead of referring to it (incorrectly) as socialism, why not just call it welfare? How am I to know when you're referring to actual socialism and when you're just tongue-in-cheek referring to welfare? It pointlessly muddies any discussion.

[Rama Set]

Well you are up to speed now. 

[garygreen]

It pointlessly muddies any discussion.

unlike arguing over whether or not UBI is "socialism" or "welfare," right?

[Rushy]

It pointlessly muddies any discussion.

unlike arguing over whether or not UBI is "socialism" or "welfare," right?

If someone refers to UBI as socialism, it's likely they're missing any sort of economic understanding that would facilitate further discussion regardless. It's important to make the distinction.

[honk]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/photo-trump-remarks-shows-corona-crossed-out-replaced-chinese-virus-n1164111

This is strong evidence that Trump is making a deliberate, concerted effort to call the coronavirus the "Chinese virus" instead. If, as he and his fans claim, he's just being accurate with his terminology and if that triggers you then that's your problem, he wouldn't need to edit his notes at all. It's obvious why he's doing this - to distract from his incompetent handling of this situation and start an argument about political correctness instead - and I really wish the media would stop playing into his hands by giving him exactly what he wants with their angry reporting on his insistent terminology. The Chinese government has a lot to answer for regarding this crisis, but juvenile mudslinging is not how that happens, nor does it exonerate Trump.

[Fortuna]

Will the socialism haters take the handout is the question?

Yeah. I’m looking forward to getting some of my money back that I donated to a career welfarer.

That... That’s not how taxes work.

At least part of my paycheck deductions go directly to services that benefit people with little or zero income.

Also: "The checks, however, would reduce to $600 (or $1,200 for married couples) for taxpayers who have little or no income tax liability but have at least $2,500 in qualifying income, according to a GOP summary of the plan."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/see-who-s-eligible-coronavirus-checks-senate-gop-releases-details-n1164311

[Lord Dave]

Will the socialism haters take the handout is the question?

Yeah. I’m looking forward to getting some of my money back that I donated to a career welfarer.

That... That’s not how taxes work.

At least part of my paycheck deductions go directly to services that benefit people with little or zero income.

Also: "The checks, however, would reduce to $600 (or $1,200 for married couples) for taxpayers who have little or no income tax liability but have at least $2,500 in qualifying income, according to a GOP summary of the plan."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/see-who-s-eligible-coronavirus-checks-senate-gop-releases-details-n1164311

Ah, so I get $0.
Pity.

[AATW]

Honestly. Look at this idiot

[honk]

And it's not like he didn't know, or didn't have people trying to warn him:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html

This was not inevitable. It could have been mitigated; it could have been properly handled. Trump instead closed his eyes and stuck his fingers in his ears, and we're paying the price.

[Lord Dave]

And it's not like he didn't know, or didn't have people trying to warn him:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html

This was not inevitable. It could have been mitigated; it could have been properly handled. Trump instead closed his eyes and stuck his fingers in his ears, and we're paying the price.

Eh.  He did it for a good reason:
To delay the inevitable stock crash.  That's all. 

[Tom Bishop]

Washington Post: "Trump calling coronavirus 'Chinese virus' encourages racism against Asian Americans, experts say"

Also Washington Post:

[AATW]

I see you've "accidentally" forgotten to point out that the screenshot of the article where they called it that is 2 months before the article where they report that someone said it was harmful.
Obviously if they have continued to call it that then I guess you have a point.
Have they?

[Rama Set]

I see you've "accidentally" forgotten to point out that the screenshot of the article where they called it that is 2 months before the article where they report that someone said it was harmful.
Obviously if they have continued to call it that then I guess you have a point.
Have they?

I also haven't seen them cross out corona to insert Chinese either.  Perhaps they listened to criticism and changed their tone?  Perhaps they haven't and it was a one-time gaff.  Either way, unless there is a pattern of behaviour, like you mentioned, I don't think this is comparable to what Trump is doing.

[Tom Bishop]

Running a search for the term "Chinese virus" from Oct 2018 through Feb 2019, from before Trump started to use the phrase:

Deadly Chinese virus may have infected over 1700 people - New York Post

State Department, CDC issue travel advisory over Chinese virus - The Hill

Canada prepares as Chinese virus spreads - City News Toronto

Chinese Virus Pandamonium - Herald Sun

Japan confirms first case of new Chinese virus, prompts travel warnings - New York Post

CDC confirms second Chinese virus case in the US - Futurism

WHO experts visit Chinese virus epicentre - Daily Nation

It is almost as if the liberal media are total hypocrites.

[AATW]

Oh dear. Now you've "accidentally" made another mistake.
You started off by talking about the Washington post and now, silly you, you've gone and posted a load of articles from different papers.
And all of those articles are from January too.
Whoopsie!