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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: European federalism
« on: June 24, 2021, 11:42:22 PM »
Why do you think having an opinion is the same thing as believing others' opinions shouldn't matter?
If you concede that your opinions don't matter, I shall respectfully agree and we can move on.

Quite a lot has changed for Scotland. Is that what you mean by "stable"?
Scotland never really understood what being a nation was. They are more a collection of tribes whose only real bond is mutual jealousy of their more prosperous and successful neighbours to the South. England is stable. France is Stable. Portugal is stable. Scotland is a basket case.

Germany has 19% of the population of the EU. I know you're having trouble counting today, but 19% is significantly less than the 50% needed for them to "rule" a democracy.
If you don't understand how Germany dominates Europe and the EU via its leverage in the EU, its banks, its trade, its corporations etc, then you won't understand everyone else's fear of getting crushed by them. Germany is the biggest most powerful country in the EU and it flexes its muscles all the time. It imposed the troika on Greece, it imposed the migrant crisis on Italy, refused to let the EU help out Spain, it told Hungary they must take refugees after Germany had the reckless open door immigration policy and when Hungary refused, the Germans pushed to block their regional development funds. And now Germany wants to get rid of the power of veto so that "smaller countries cannot get in the way of policy of larger countries". Germans hold all the top jobs in Europe and the Euro is geared for Germany's economy at the expense of everyone else ... keeping low export costs for German manufacturers and burying those with debts. They control everything. You never read the links I provide but you should read the one below and understand the fear of Germany.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-german-takeover-of-the-eu-is-accelerating

You can identify me however you like, but I don't have to care. I should have an Irish passport by this time next year, but even if I turn out not to qualify by some technicality, next year will be my fifth year in the Netherlands. That means I'll be eligible to naturalise as a Dutch citizen. Either way, I will be an EU citizen by 2023 and I don't intend to look back.
You can stick a Ferrari badge on a Citroen. Its still the same piece of shit underneath.

I'm not interested in the UK beyond the border in Ireland holding back European integration. Just give us Ulster back, you can have your sOvEreIgNtY, and we'll have our glorious United States of Europe.
No. You don't get to annex a part of the UK. How about we get the rest of Ireland back? It used to be ours. Ulster has never ever been a part of the EU ever. So there is nothing to give back. Why would we give Ulster to Germany?

We didn't lose a war. We VOTED to leave. We don't have to hand over territory and we won't.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: European federalism
« on: June 24, 2021, 10:39:22 PM »
This is not true at all. The Flemish do not want to be unified with the Netherlands at all and opinion polling shows that. You just made that up to suit your narrative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Netherlands_ideology#Opinion_polling
I didn't say a majority of the Flemish wanted it, I said it was the goal of (some in) the Flemish nationalist movement. That movement is based on a shared culture and language.
So they should be united against their will because you like the notion? Noted.

Now you are saying I'm implying that it is stable ... well it is. Some of these countries ... mine included, span a thousand years or more. Find me a thousand year old federation and we'll talk.
The state in which you live (whether it is a nation-state is dubious at best) is about 200 years old, as we've established. You are carefully switching between the terms "nation" and "country" to take advantage of the confusion your government has created with the marketing term "country of countries", so let's be precise and avoid the word "country".
Mmmm. Really nothing changed. We still run everything from Westminster as we have for 1000 years. Adding Scotland to our country isn't really destabilising it. It is more bolting a vassal to it.

There's no need to choose another man's wife for him. A better solution, the one you ended up with, is not to let one man choose who runs the country by marriage in the first place.
Why are you advocating that we do the exact thing we already do? We know ... we already do that.

This is the second time you've brought up the Magna Carta, and I'm beginning to think you don't actually know what it's about. It was a great step forward for its time, but it didn't bring about democracy overnight. England didn't achieve anything remotely resembling modern democracy until several centuries later.
Yes, I know. Again, we are the country that does that and everyone else copies. and it's a great system. But your thread is about throwing 1000 years of hard won rights in the bin, and federalising the nation into a German superstate.

We were speaking in the context of nation-states, and internationally, the terms "country" and "state" are generally synonymous. You are capitalising on your government's ludicrous "country of countries" stance to muddy the waters.
I don't even know what you are arguing at this point. You've ceased to be coherent.

I don't identify with Australian culture
Of course you don't. You've taken a poo in the Netherlands and now you are a European.  ::)

I don't give a squirrel's scrotum how you identify. YOU don't get to identify yourself. Other people do the identifying and if you look like Ned Kelly and sound like Ozzy Man, I'm going to identify you as an Aussie. One would hope having spent many years in Australia, you'd realise how absurd making Australia into part of Federal China is. Every bit as absurd as making the UK into a part of Federal Europe.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: European federalism
« on: June 24, 2021, 09:59:05 PM »
They, or at least some Flemish nationalists, are looking to be reunited with the Netherlands. They don't want to be part of Belgium. If we put the Netherlands and Belgium into the same European superstate, everyone gets their way.
This is not true at all. The Flemish do not want to be unified with the Netherlands at all and opinion polling shows that. You just made that up to suit your narrative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Netherlands_ideology#Opinion_polling


The nations of ancient Greece, Rome (before it became an empire), Egypt, the borders of Portugal were defined in 1139 almost 1000 years ago, Japan is a couple of thousand years old, even France was founded in about the 5th century. Nations have been around for a very long time.
Ancient Greece went through a variety of different forms of government at different times, Rome was absorbing other nations long before it became an empire, Portugal — though nominally independent — has had many Spanish kings, and Japan has been repeatedly divided and reunified over the centuries. It is true that I should have said that the idea of a democratic nation-state hasn't been commonplace until the last couple of centuries, but even then, it certainly hasn't been as stable as you are implying.
What? You said there were no nations and that it was a modern creation. I showed this to be more made up nonsense from you. Now you are saying I'm implying that it is stable ... well it is. Some of these countries ... mine included, span a thousand years or more. Find me a thousand year old federation and we'll talk.


There was no self-determination for the English people before England became a constitutional monarchy — they had no vote for whom their unelected kings married.
??? Why would we choose another man's wife for him? This is the British Isles. Not Love Island.
In 1215AD we get the magna carter. From that point on ... English peasants have a say.


What on earth are you talking about?
I'm English. England has been around for ages. The UK is a unitary state. A country of countries ... my country still exists thank you very much.
I don't think you understand what a unitary state is. The internal subdivisions of the UK are irrelevant, and England's existence as such a subdivision does not make it a nation-state — it is a nation, but not a state.
I never said it was a nation state. You said my COUNTRY has only been around for 200 years. I disputed that. My country ... England, has been around much longer. Now you are arguing against a thing I never said.


Also, I made a suggestion for Australia ... I feel like you ignored it.
Quote from: Thork from ages ago
I propose that New Zealand and Australia become part of the Federation of China. I mean, they are all near each other in the Pacific and it would allow people to travel between them all without passports. Many Chinese already live in Australia so really it just makes sense. Plus think of all the great food. The nation state seems to be dead anyhow. Joining China seems to be the only sensible option available to Australia ... you know, now that we've accepted that the nation state is impossible. Enjoy your fried bat and dog sandwiches.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: European federalism
« on: June 24, 2021, 08:59:49 PM »
Other than religion, Flanders shares a language and culture with the Dutch but not with the Walloons, which is why there is a strong Flemish nationalist movement today.
So these people aren't looking to be united under one umbrella ... ok, noted.

They felt they had more in common with the English because the English planted them there to ensure dominance. Even so, they make up barely a majority of the population of Northern Ireland today, and they are easily a minority on the island of Ireland, which should never have been partitioned in the first place.
Look ... a war took place lasting almost 100 years over this. There was much terrorism. Many people died. We sorted it out ... its called the Good Friday agreement. Its done. We aren't going back on that or we'll be back at war.

The nation-state hasn't even existed for thousands of years. It is a modern invention, accompanying the rise of Western democracy.
The nations of ancient Greece, Rome (before it became an empire), Egypt, the borders of Portugal were defined in 1139 almost 1000 years ago, Japan is a couple of thousand years old, even France was founded in about the 5th century. Nations have been around for a very long time.

For most of recorded history, Europeans were ruled by whoever had the mightiest sword, which is why England has had French, Spanish, Dutch and German kings over the centuries.
False. We had all those foreign royals not because they were defeating us, but because we arranged marriages to secure further powers and alliances. At no point in history have the Germans defeated us and put a German king on the throne. Nor the French. William the conqueror was a Norman ... descended from Vikings ... not gauls. The Dutch never beat us either nor the Spanish. Marriage is not 'the might of the sword'. Learn2diplomacy.

We don't accept it is impossible. I live in one. One that has not been invaded for over 1000 years.
Wrong again, even if we ignore the fact that your country has only existed for a little over 200 years.
What on earth are you talking about?
I'm English. England has been around for ages. The UK is a unitary state. A country of countries ... my country still exists thank you very much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state#United_Kingdom

World champions of war and empire. One with a Queen which we like.
Glad someone does. She's also the queen of Australia and we all think she's a bad joke.
That's because you've been given a foreign Queen. She's not even Australian. You've been utterly cucked.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: European federalism
« on: June 24, 2021, 07:38:52 PM »
If we assume for a moment that federalism is desired,
As a living breathing European I can assure you, it isn't.
You voted not to have a say on this. Get over it, snowflake.

He is suggesting the UK (my country) gets broken up to achieve his federalist dream. The last person to try to ram through a federalist European dream had a tiny moustache and got 75 million people killed.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: European federalism
« on: June 24, 2021, 07:13:39 PM »
You've been living in Europe for what ... a year and they've turned you into Adolf Hitler already.

Why won't you respect other people's right to self determination?

For instance, the northern half of Belgium is culturally Dutch,
No it bloody well isn't. You are so ignorant. The Netherlands is culturally Dutch reformed (protestant) and the Flemings and Walloons ... now Belgians ... were Catholics. The Walloons didn't want to be ruled by a bunch of Protestants. They wanted to join up with their Catholic brethren to the south and so the FOUGHT A WAR for their independence!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Revolution

The Republic of Ireland's border with the UK should be in the Irish Sea, not through the middle of Ireland.
Christ on a bike. The Protestant Irish in the North felt they had more in common with the English, than with the Catholics in the south. Are you seeing a pattern yet? They voted by a landslide to remain part of the UK, when the Republic left. Their choice.

Catalonia doesn't belong to Spanish culture,
Interesting. All Catholic, all speak Spanish ... all in Spain. Are you trying to offend as many people in one post as is possible?

Frisia doesn't belong to Dutch culture,
Besides actually being in the middle of a bunch of Dutch states and all the people speaking Dutch.

and Åland doesn't belong to Finnish culture.

There are Germans in Italy, Hungarians in Serbia and Russians in Latvia, alongside many more examples, but I think my point is clear.
That because people move around, nation states should be abolished? Better idea ... how about we stop all this immigration. It seems to lead to invasive populations demanding unreasonable changes upon the indigenous inhabitants.

In principle, some of these have straightforward solutions,
I'll concede that the slaughter of all the people who oppose your ideas seems reasonably straightforward.

nevertheless made politically challenging by the dominant culture's reluctance to grant a minority self-determination. Others cannot be reasonably solved regardless of political circumstances — no matter how you draw up the Germany–Poland border, you are going to leave some people on the "wrong" side, unless you create a maze of exclaves. We can therefore conclude that the nation-state is an impossible idea to achieve in practice, outside of isolated (in the literal sense) examples such as Iceland.
The nation state has functioned just great for thousands of years. It is hardly impossible to achieve. Any map you care to look at has borders and nations. In fact ... almost everyone on earth lives in a nation and not some other kind of organisation. It's a system that works.

Federalism as an alternative to nation-states
So doesn't work for the US, doesn't work for australia ... but will be a dead cert for success in Europe where millions of people with around 40 languages will all be part of the same superstate and literally no one will be offended at having fought wars for independence to be lumped in under German rule.

Once we accept that the nation-state is impossible,
We don't accept it is impossible. I live in one. One that has not been invaded for over 1000 years. World champions of war and empire. One with a Queen which we like.

the primary argument against European federation disappears.
So by declaring a falsehood, you can validate a falsehood.

Furthermore, the EU already has a better democratic system, in my view, than either the US or Australia.
Are they lacing the water with something over in Europe? How do you all believe this tripe?

I don't think we should ignore the problems present in other federal systems, but I no longer believe their existence is a reason not to try to do better, either.
Sounds like "just because communism has never worked before its just because no one tried to do it properly but this time would be different". 🙄

Any concrete proposal for federation should look at federal systems around the world, adopt their strengths, and learn from their weaknesses.
Why do you like the idea of Europeans killing each other so much?

If we assume for a moment that federalism is desired,
As a living breathing European I can assure you, it isn't.

a resident of Malta has roughly ten times as much political power as a resident of Germany. Also, the requirement for unanimity in the European Council has no place in a federal system.
I thought you said Europe had the best democracy in the world. That doesn't sound very fair.

In summary, I do now support European federation, but I do not see it happening until at least the 2040s — enough time for Ukraine and Georgia to submit their applications to join, and if accepted, for them to be integrated into the union. Enough time to reform the democratic system, and enough time — hopefully — to work through the issues blocking adoption of the euro and Schengen. But only time will tell.
Think about the current football tournament. Run by UEFA. Or the Eurovision song contest. Do either of these two stop at Europe?

Israel and Azerbaijan will be part of the EU in no time and then deals will be struck for all kinds of shenanigans. If the Aussies can be in the Eurovision, I see no reason why Germany wouldn't want them bending the knee in the EU too. My prediction ... Australia will be part of the EU by 2040. The EU is just a trade deal that takes your sovereignty. I can't see Aussie politicians having any backbone to stop that.


I propose that New Zealand and Australia become part of the Federation of China. I mean, they are all near each other in the Pacific and it would allow people to travel between them all without passports. Many Chinese already live in Australia so really it just makes sense. Plus think of all the great food. The nation state seems to be dead anyhow. Joining China seems to be the sensible option available to Australia ... you know, now that we've accepted that the nation state is impossible. Enjoy your fried bat and dog sandwiches.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: June 21, 2021, 03:40:29 PM »
How many weapons and soliders does China and Russia have in the US?
Alot less than the number who stormed the capital on January 6.
Stormed the capital?[sic] These extremely dangerous looking people who have calmly stopped to have their photos taken by the assembled press who a) knew they would be there and b) felt in absolutely no mortal danger whatsoever? You think is gaggle have more weapons and soldiers than China?



I think you've been watching too much CNN again.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: June 21, 2021, 12:51:56 PM »
No need to quote my post to talk about how smart you are.

Anyway, to people interested in discussing, it seems like Biden and the establishment Dems are interested in ratcheting up funding and legislation to increase already disastrous power wielded by the FBI and CIA, using Jan 6th as the political smokescreen.

Unfortunately MSNBC and CNN won’t cover it and Fox News will cover it badly and no one will realize that their government is amping up the surveillance state.
Forget China and Russia. The US government sees its own citizens as the real enemy. It watches them far more closely than any would be geopolitical rival.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: June 21, 2021, 11:47:34 AM »
Hey America, would it be possible to start speaking out against the drive for extreme domestic counter-terrorism powers now instead of waiting until it’s too late?

Sincerely,

Your concerned neighbor. (Canada)

OMG, if there was ever anyone who needed to get their political house in order before worrying about others, its Canada.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: June 20, 2021, 10:26:07 PM »
Does your numbers take into account that, as president, he has the best healthcare money can buy?
Or is this based on the average American, who (just fyi) does not have the best medical care or even very good medical care.
Between you and me Dave, I think Biden died sometime last year on the campaign trail and what you are seeing on TV, is his reanimated corpse. I don't want to start a conspiracy theory, but I'm sure I read something about 'Project Weekend at Bernie's".

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: June 19, 2021, 07:29:44 PM »
I thought I'd calculate the odds of Joe Biden dying in office. Below are the actuarial tables so you can see my sources.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Joe is 78 years old. He has a 4.78% chance of dying this year.

Out of 100,000, people only 56,065 would be left to make the ripe old age of 78.
4 years later 44,553 will be left to celebrate their 82nd birthday.

56,056 - 44,553 = 11503
100 / (56056 / 11503) = 20.5% chance of death in those 4 years. Joe didn't have his birthday on the day he was inaugurated so his chances are a fraction more.

I honestly thought his odds of dying would be a lot higher.  :-\


Edit: Joe has dementia.
Quote from: https://www.liftedcare.com/what-is-the-life-expectancy-for-someone-with-dementia/
General life expectancy for someone with Alzheimer’s is around 8-12 years.
After diagnosis, the average lifespan of someone with dementia with Lewy bodies was found in one study to be around 5-7 years after onset.
The average life span for someone with frontotemporal dementia (sometimes called Pick’s disease) is around eight years.

So its about 50-50. Ok, I feel better about this now.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Warning!
« on: June 18, 2021, 08:25:12 AM »
I dislike the cowardly nature of the warnings. Who gave you the warning? Why is it anonymous? Why does no one stand up and take ownership for their actions?

If you have great power, you should also be charged with accountability.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Research flat earth community
« on: June 17, 2021, 08:09:50 PM »
As i responded in my pm, I think it is the best approach to simply share your questions here and let all who wish to answer them do so at their own leisure! 

I'm going to assume that a Professor will regard an interview as a source material ... and idly taking opinions on a forum as cocking about.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Ronaldo snubs Coke
« on: June 16, 2021, 10:13:47 PM »
For those who aren't European.

Watch the first 20 seconds of this video below.



Cristiano Ronaldo is arguably the biggest sporting star in Europe. And with that little act ...

Quote from: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/christiano-ronaldo-coca-cola-value-b1866890.html
Coca-Cola’s share price dipped by $4bn (£2.8bn) after Cristiano Ronaldo removed two bottles of the carbonated drink in front of him at a press conference and encouraged people to drink water.

They should have paid him $400m and asked him to take a slurp.  :o


Amusingly
Quote from: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/christiano-ronaldo-coca-cola-value-b1866890.html
On Tuesday, France midfielder Paul Pogba removed a bottle of Heineken beer that had been placed in front of him at a Euro 2020 news conference.

Heineken's share price finished 1.39% up on the day.  🤣

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 14, 2021, 11:50:15 AM »
I'm not clicking that play button and you can't make me.  >:(

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Irish reunification
« on: June 14, 2021, 11:15:20 AM »
British trade and the G7 I am interested in. Northern Ireland ... don't care. You changed the subject. You made the thread interesting again.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Irish reunification
« on: June 14, 2021, 10:50:12 AM »
Well ... controversial but I have no idea what Trudeau is doing there either. Surely China get a seat at the table before a pisspot province in the Arctic circle? You want to tackle climate change ... why bother with Canada? Surely you bring in China ... oh, and India for that matter. On that note, Draghi should probably pack up his shit and go home too.

And no, the EU should not have representation ... or if it does, you don't give Germany, France and Italy representation as they are already being represented by the EU. The French shouldn't have 2 seats at the same table for example. EU or France ... not both.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Irish reunification
« on: June 13, 2021, 08:43:08 PM »
Ok, should Corsica be banned from selling sausages to Paris? That's the same thing. It is every bit as stupid and if Macron thinks the UK will just spilt up because he won't agree a trade deal he's in for a shock. It was unbelievably clumsy of him ... if not outright ignorant.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1449330/emmanuel-macron-brexit-news-latest-g7-summit-northern-ireland-protocol

Also ... question ... the G7.

1. Boris Johnson
2. Macron
3. Merkel
4. Trudeau
5. Biden
6. Mario Draghi
7. Suga Yoshihide

What is Ursula Von Der Leyen doing there? The EU is not part of the G7. Fuck off home you meddling cunt.  >o<

Either the EU is part of the G7 in which case send Macron, Merkel and Draghi home, or the EU is not part of the G7 and Von Der Leyen is not welcome. The French, Germans and Italians should not have their handler there putting pressure on issues using the leverage of nations who are NOT part of the G7. The EU is full of complete wankers.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Irish reunification
« on: June 13, 2021, 07:39:00 PM »
Stop picking the wrong side. The French have demonstrated how absurd the EUs position is and how unreasonable their demands. Boris asked

"Do you think it would be reasonable to ask that sausages made in Toulouse could not be sold in Paris?" to which Macron replied "Its not the same thing. Northern Ireland is not part of the UK."

Of course, it is part of the UK. Failure to understand such basics is why it is impossible to have a reasonable deal with these idiots.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: June 12, 2021, 09:19:06 PM »
I have a new conspiracy theory.

Coronavirus became a pandemic because of gain of function research that escaped from a lab. However ... we keep seeing new variants emerge, each more contagious than the last. Convenient that the improvement about all these new variants seems to be its contagiousness.

I think these new variants are man-made and the US and its Chinese partner are continuing the development of their bio-weapons and unleashing them on the public to gain more data. Under the guise of 'natural mutations' they release new improved variants in different parts of the world to cover their tracks and then monitor the effects. They know they will never get an opportunity like this ever again, to experiment on the public like this.

You heard it at tfes.org first.

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