[honk]

Don't encourage him to respond! And Trump is hardly calling for violence. He's encouraging protests in the hopes that public pressure will force the states to reopen the country, and his interest in doing so is of course that if the economy gets back on track he'll maximize his chances at winning in November. It's absolutely stupid and callous in the extreme, but it's not a call for violence.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/19/politics/trump-approval-rating-rally/index.html

It's ridiculous - and perhaps speaks to the inattentiveness and/or poor memory of a large percentage of Americans - that Trump's approval rating didn't plummet to rock bottom as a result of all this, but then again, it's ridiculous that Trump was even elected in the first place. But at least Trump probably won't be benefiting from this.

[totallackey]

Trump should have never listened to Fauci and all the other shitbag idiots occupying government positions.

"Sweden’s unusual approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic is starting to yield results, according to the country’s top epidemiologist.

Anders Tegnell, the architect behind Sweden’s relatively relaxed response to Covid-19, told local media the latest figures on infection rates and fatalities indicate the situation is starting to stabilize."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

[totallackey]

Oh the irony, the last line of the vid, "...forced out the race due to questions of character and integrity."

Fast forward 30+ years later and we have a whole new very low bar as to what character and integrity means. Apparently falsely taking credit for a catch phrase, pussygate, making fun of the disabled, insulting war heroes, 1000's of false/misleading claims, adding to rather than draining the swamp, emboldening the Alt-Right, affair with Porn Star payoffs, yeah, character and integrity doesn't really seem to mean that much these days.

That's how the GOP gets their followers to stomach all the crap they do. They claim 'the other side is just as bad'.

"Well sure, our candidate murdered 20 children. But yours gave someone a dirty look once and hurt their feelings. So they are the same, they all hurt people!"

"Well, everybody lies..." is the response to a president who needs an entire press wing to correct all the lies and mistakes and fabrications he makes after every press conference. It's absurd.

Everything you write is correct, but it actually shitbag democrats responsible for most of what you write, like murdering children, lying, etc...

Johnson, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama...

[JSS]

Everything you write is correct, but it actually shitbag democrats responsible for most of what you write, like murdering children, lying, etc...

Johnson, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama...

Murdering children. I must have missed that one, was Obama sacrificing them on live TV during his press conferences?

[Rama Set]

Trump should have never listened to Fauci and all the other shitbag idiots occupying government positions.

"Sweden’s unusual approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic is starting to yield results, according to the country’s top epidemiologist.

Anders Tegnell, the architect behind Sweden’s relatively relaxed response to Covid-19, told local media the latest figures on infection rates and fatalities indicate the situation is starting to stabilize."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

Sweden has higher death rates than their neighbors who are engaging in lock down activities. Sweden also has a much better supplied healthcare system, according to the Bloomberg article, so results in Sweden should not be projected on to the situation in the USA. There are also indications that their strategy is not doing a good job of protecting people more vulnerable to COVID.  I also wonder how many unreported infections have occurred in Sweden, since they are doing even less testing than the USA.

Also, from your article, "It’s unclear which strategy will ultimately prove most effective, and even experts in Sweden warn it’s too early to draw conclusions."

[Lord Dave]

Trump should have never listened to Fauci and all the other shitbag idiots occupying government positions.

"Sweden’s unusual approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic is starting to yield results, according to the country’s top epidemiologist.

Anders Tegnell, the architect behind Sweden’s relatively relaxed response to Covid-19, told local media the latest figures on infection rates and fatalities indicate the situation is starting to stabilize."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

Yeah....
This is where you need some cultural context.

1. Sweden, like Norway, is not a densely populated nation.
2. Sweden, like Norway, isn't one to get too close to people usually.  We're not all in your face all the time.
3. Sweden has better health care.

Sweden is more similar to the American Midwest than it is to the East Coast.

Also fun fact: we had ALOT of Norwegians go to sweden for easter break.  They're all in Quarentine now.

[totallackey]

Trump should have never listened to Fauci and all the other shitbag idiots occupying government positions.

"Sweden’s unusual approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic is starting to yield results, according to the country’s top epidemiologist.

Anders Tegnell, the architect behind Sweden’s relatively relaxed response to Covid-19, told local media the latest figures on infection rates and fatalities indicate the situation is starting to stabilize."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

Sweden has higher death rates than their neighbors who are engaging in lock down activities. Sweden also has a much better supplied healthcare system, according to the Bloomberg article, so results in Sweden should not be projected on to the situation in the USA. There are also indications that their strategy is not doing a good job of protecting people more vulnerable to COVID.  I also wonder how many unreported infections have occurred in Sweden, since they are doing even less testing than the USA.

Also, from your article, "It’s unclear which strategy will ultimately prove most effective, and even experts in Sweden warn it’s too early to draw conclusions."

Essentially agreeing Sweden has a different type of dynamic at work...

Trump should have never listened to Fauci and all the other shitbag idiots occupying government positions.

"Sweden’s unusual approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic is starting to yield results, according to the country’s top epidemiologist.

Anders Tegnell, the architect behind Sweden’s relatively relaxed response to Covid-19, told local media the latest figures on infection rates and fatalities indicate the situation is starting to stabilize."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

Yeah....
This is where you need some cultural context.

1. Sweden, like Norway, is not a densely populated nation.
2. Sweden, like Norway, isn't one to get too close to people usually.  We're not all in your face all the time.
3. Sweden has better health care.

Sweden is more similar to the American Midwest than it is to the East Coast.

Also fun fact: we had ALOT of Norwegians go to sweden for easter break.  They're all in Quarentine now.

Also agreeing that Sweden has a different type of dynamic at work...

Yet both of you claim that Sweden is who the US should look toward when it comes to health care...

LOL!

[Lord Dave]

Yes, but it would require a major shift in culture from 'Me and mine only!' to 'We're all one nation'.

[totallackey]

Yes, but it would require a major shift in culture from 'Me and mine only!' to 'We're all one nation'.

The US was founded on a one nation principle.

"We're all one nation," is not a cultural statement, it is a philosophical statement.

A major shift to what culture?

Mexican, Irish, Israeli, Hungarian, Chinese, Indian, Russian?

You do not describe a culture.

The concept of individual property rights is not a cultural concept, it is a philosophical concept.

[Rama Set]

eing that Sweden has a different type of dynamic at work...

Yet both of you claim that Sweden is who the US should look toward when it comes to health care...

LOL!

I didn't do that in the slightest.  Why do you think that I did?

[totallackey]

eing that Sweden has a different type of dynamic at work...

Yet both of you claim that Sweden is who the US should look toward when it comes to health care...

LOL!

I didn't do that in the slightest.  Why do you think that I did?

Oh, my apologies...which universal health care model do you think is best?

And why should a US Citizen give credence to your opinion on the matter?

[Rama Set]

eing that Sweden has a different type of dynamic at work...

Yet both of you claim that Sweden is who the US should look toward when it comes to health care...

LOL!

I didn't do that in the slightest.  Why do you think that I did?

Oh, my apologies...which universal health care model do you think is best?

And why should a US Citizen give credence to your opinion on the matter?

Why would being a US citizen affect this facts of the situation?  I am not sure why you are being so strident about this.  You called the US public health policy wonks shitheads and then posted a Bloomberg article as some sort of rebuttal to the current response.  I pointed out that the Swedish situation isn't demonstrably better than the US.

[totallackey]

eing that Sweden has a different type of dynamic at work...

Yet both of you claim that Sweden is who the US should look toward when it comes to health care...

LOL!

I didn't do that in the slightest.  Why do you think that I did?

Oh, my apologies...which universal health care model do you think is best?

And why should a US Citizen give credence to your opinion on the matter?

Why would being a US citizen affect this facts of the situation?  I am not sure why you are being so strident about this.  You called the US public health policy wonks shitheads and then posted a Bloomberg article as some sort of rebuttal to the current response.  I pointed out that the Swedish situation isn't demonstrably better than the US.

One more time and with all the clarity I can muster.

Which universal health care system is the best model for the US and why should a US Citizen lend credence to your thoughts on the matter?

Oh, and the Swedish situation is demonstrably better, given that demonstrably is the usual subjective terminology you so love to use in these types of discussions. It is demonstrably better given that people are allowed to make their own informed decisions given the circumstances and the fact remains that the overall death rate for all living beings remains at 100 percent.

Not to mention your usual BS regarding the inadequacies of the US health care system...All the BS about not having enough masks, ventilators, etc...all fake news as usual..

[Rama Set]

One more time and with all the clarity I can muster.

Which universal health care system is the best model for the US and why should a US Citizen lend credence to your thoughts on the matter?

If you aren't interested in discussing the article you posted let's drop it.  It isn't relevant to the thread anyway.

[totallackey]

One more time and with all the clarity I can muster.

Which universal health care system is the best model for the US and why should a US Citizen lend credence to your thoughts on the matter?

If you aren't interested in discussing the article you posted let's drop it.  It isn't relevant to the thread anyway.

I did discuss it...apparently discussing it in terms of demonstrating and revealing the disingenuous and inconsistent pattern of past stances taken in this thread doesn't maintain relevance as time passes on.

Sorry I showed the emperor has no clothes...pay no attention to the blade of grass in that container to your left.

[Rama Set]

I did discuss it...apparently discussing it in terms of demonstrating and revealing the disingenuous and inconsistent pattern of past stances taken in this thread doesn't maintain relevance as time passes on.

Sorry I showed the emperor has no clothes...pay no attention to the blade of grass in that container to your left.

You didn't demonstrate anything.  I just pointed out how the Swedish situation wasn't necessarily better and you took it as some sort of statement of political leaning.  If I was trying to prop up single payer healthcare, don't you think I would be trying to show how much better Sweden is doing than the US?

[totallackey]

I did discuss it...apparently discussing it in terms of demonstrating and revealing the disingenuous and inconsistent pattern of past stances taken in this thread doesn't maintain relevance as time passes on.

Sorry I showed the emperor has no clothes...pay no attention to the blade of grass in that container to your left.

You didn't demonstrate anything.  I just pointed out how the Swedish situation wasn't necessarily better and you took it as some sort of statement of political leaning.  If I was trying to prop up single payer healthcare, don't you think I would be trying to show how much better Sweden is doing than the US?

You haven't been trying to advocate for universal health care?

[Rama Set]

I did discuss it...apparently discussing it in terms of demonstrating and revealing the disingenuous and inconsistent pattern of past stances taken in this thread doesn't maintain relevance as time passes on.

Sorry I showed the emperor has no clothes...pay no attention to the blade of grass in that container to your left.

You didn't demonstrate anything.  I just pointed out how the Swedish situation wasn't necessarily better and you took it as some sort of statement of political leaning.  If I was trying to prop up single payer healthcare, don't you think I would be trying to show how much better Sweden is doing than the US?

You haven't been trying to advocate for universal health care?

Not in the discussion about the Bloomberg article you posted, no.

[totallackey]

I did discuss it...apparently discussing it in terms of demonstrating and revealing the disingenuous and inconsistent pattern of past stances taken in this thread doesn't maintain relevance as time passes on.

Sorry I showed the emperor has no clothes...pay no attention to the blade of grass in that container to your left.

You didn't demonstrate anything.  I just pointed out how the Swedish situation wasn't necessarily better and you took it as some sort of statement of political leaning.  If I was trying to prop up single payer healthcare, don't you think I would be trying to show how much better Sweden is doing than the US?

You haven't been trying to advocate for universal health care?

Not in the discussion about the Bloomberg article you posted, no.

But otherwise?

[Rama Set]

I support affordable healthcare for all, not perhaps we could stay on topic?