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Orlando mass shooting
« on: June 12, 2016, 02:48:11 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-shooting-about-20-dead-in-domestic-terror-incident-at-gay-club/

The headline is misleading - it's about fifty people who were killed this time, and just as many injured.  Muslims are killing gays, and America is in grave danger.

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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2016, 03:12:02 PM »
Where was the good guy with a gun the NRA always promises us?
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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2016, 03:23:50 PM »
Gays=Liberals=Bad Guys

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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2016, 05:14:53 PM »
This is the largest terrorist attack since 9/11. Very unfortunate.

Where was the good guy with a gun the NRA always promises us?
Gays=Liberals=Bad Guys

They don't equal bad guys, but they do equal people that are extremely likely not to be carrying a gun. If you're a "guns should be banned" liberal it'd be awfully stupid to insist on carrying one around.

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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2016, 06:07:51 PM »
This is the largest terrorist attack since 9/11. Very unfortunate.

Where was the good guy with a gun the NRA always promises us?
Gays=Liberals=Bad Guys

They don't equal bad guys, but they do equal people that are extremely likely not to be carrying a gun. If you're a "guns should be banned" liberal it'd be awfully stupid to insist on carrying one around.

Is there any actual correlation between being gay and opinion on gun control, or are you assuming that being gay=being liberal=having all liberal views?
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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2016, 06:09:53 PM »
Is there any actual correlation between being gay and opinion on gun control, or are you assuming that being gay=being liberal=having all liberal views?

Do you have any relevant data on the subject?

Also, I don't recall myself making any assumptions in my post.

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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2016, 06:29:14 PM »
Do you have any relevant data on the subject?

I was hoping you did.  :(

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Also, I don't recall myself making any assumptions in my post.

Oh ok.
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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2016, 07:40:39 PM »
In other news, let's check out these /pol/ highlights!







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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2016, 08:37:34 PM »
The Muzzies are going to kill us all...unless we stop them. >:(

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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2016, 09:14:30 PM »
Do you have any relevant data on the subject?

I was hoping you did.  :(

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Also, I don't recall myself making any assumptions in my post.

Oh ok.

It's my damn fault.  I am underwriting my sarcasm and it is not playing well   >:(


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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2016, 09:26:35 PM »
http://www.pinkpistols.org/

Sooo.... that's a thing.
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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2016, 09:38:04 PM »
Hey guys haha this shooting is actually the Christian right's fault.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/aclu-lawyers-blame-christian-right-gop-for-orlando-attack/article/2593679

Their anti-gay stance is literally equivalent to murdering gays!



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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2016, 08:30:57 PM »
Where was the good guy with a gun the NRA always promises us?
How many liberals actually carry? Here's a question, do you carry? If you was there would you have carried?
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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2016, 08:36:50 PM »
How many liberals actually carry?

Liberals in rural areas often have firearms because certain wildlife can sometimes be a threat. Orlando obviously isn't a rural area, though.

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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2016, 08:45:47 PM »
Where was the good guy with a gun the NRA always promises us?
How many liberals actually carry? Here's a question, do you carry? If you was there would you have carried?

What was the proportion of "liberals" to "conservatives" in the night club?  How many "conservatives" were carrying? 

I think Dave's point is a rhetorical one against the narrative that gun deregulation leads to less gun violence. In certain cases it may be true, but if someone is determined to carry out an attack of this sort, availability of assault rifles is not going to keep people safe.

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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2016, 09:15:43 PM »
How many liberals actually carry?


Liberals in rural areas often have firearms because certain wildlife can sometimes be a threat. Orlando obviously isn't a rural area, though.

I didn't asked how many owned guns I asked how many carried one.
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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2016, 09:18:50 PM »
Where was the good guy with a gun the NRA always promises us?
How many liberals actually carry? Here's a question, do you carry? If you was there would you have carried?

What was the proportion of "liberals" to "conservatives" in the night club?  How many "conservatives" were carrying?
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How many conservatives go to gay bars?

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I think Dave's point is a rhetorical one against the narrative that gun deregulation leads to less gun violence.

Yes it will if more people were carrying.

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In certain cases it may be true, but if someone is determined to carry out an attack of this sort, availability of assault rifles is not going to keep people safe.

He didn't used an assault rifle he used a semi auto one. Also the VT shooter had ten round mags and pistols and he committed the second largest shooting in American history.
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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2016, 09:44:47 PM »
Where was the good guy with a gun the NRA always promises us?
How many liberals actually carry? Here's a question, do you carry? If you was there would you have carried?

What was the proportion of "liberals" to "conservatives" in the night club?  How many "conservatives" were carrying?

How many conservatives go to gay bars?

I have no idea. Is there a punchline?  Is this whole line of questioning relevant somehow?

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I think Dave's point is a rhetorical one against the narrative that gun deregulation leads to less gun violence.

Yes it will if more people were carrying.

Citation required.

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In certain cases it may be true, but if someone is determined to carry out an attack of this sort, availability of assault rifles is not going to keep people safe.

He didn't used an assault rifle he used a semi auto one. Also the VT shooter had ten round mags and pistols and he committed the second largest shooting in American history.

I didn't specify it was automatic, did I?

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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2016, 09:46:16 PM »
If more people wanted to carr, maybe but if we live in a world where carrying a gun becomes a necessity, then our world is shit.

Also, anyone can carry a gun.  See criminals. They don't need a license to shoot someone.
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Re: Orlando mass shooting
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2016, 09:57:13 PM »
Where was the good guy with a gun the NRA always promises us?
How many liberals actually carry? Here's a question, do you carry? If you was there would you have carried?

What was the proportion of "liberals" to "conservatives" in the night club?  How many "conservatives" were carrying?

How many conservatives go to gay bars?

I have no idea. Is there a punchline?  Is this whole line of questioning relevant somehow?

No punch line but my point is the ones who are more apted to carry don't hang around gay bars.
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I think Dave's point is a rhetorical one against the narrative that gun deregulation leads to less gun violence.

Yes it will if more people were carrying.

Citation required.

None needed. How many mass shootings you heard coming from gun shows, stores, ranges, and rallies?
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In certain cases it may be true, but if someone is determined to carry out an attack of this sort, availability of assault rifles is not going to keep people safe.

He didn't used an assault rifle he used a semi auto one. Also the VT shooter had ten round mags and pistols and he committed the second largest shooting in American history.

I didn't specify it was automatic, did I?

Assault weapons are automatic. The AK he used wasn't. Therfore its not an assault rifle.
Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth"

Scripture, science, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

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