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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 12, 2020, 10:42:10 AM »

Ignore it if you want but the facts are clear, we never went to the moon because we can't.

The SGF in the UK spent five years laser-ranging the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter to determine where it was in relation to Moon and Earth.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0019103516303657?via%3Dihub

Were they mistaken?
Were they "in on the hoax"

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 12, 2020, 08:50:28 AM »

Tumeni  said "They made models, ran simulations[/b], then one day a test pilot got into the cockpit and floored it"

"Get in and give it a go".... That's not how supersonic aircraft are designed and tested at all.

Aircraft and aircraft components are tested in wind tunnels, which have existed since before jet engines. The first ones were propeller driven.

You're actually agreeing with me, Tom. Read what I wrote.

There is no way to scientifically test the actual aircraft at Mach 1 other than building the aircraft and going to Mach 1.  You're actually agreeing with this when you say "Aircraft and aircraft components are tested in wind tunnels". Read what I wrote in the quote.

But at the end of the day, the only way to see how the hardware behaves in flight is to build it and let a test pilot loose on it. You cannot fly it for real in a laboratory. This is true of so many craft and vehicles. It's why ships have sea trials, why car manufacturers have test tracks, etc.

Want to send a rocket up beyond the Karman line? The only sure way to see the full-size craft operating in space is to launch it into space and fire up the engine whilst there. 

Edited to correct quote mishap

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Request for questions: Steven Smith/KISS radio

« on: February 11, 2020, 10:49:53 PM »

Did anyone hear it? I looked on the Kiss website beforehand, and there was no mention of it, only music shows.

No way was I tuning in for a whole day on the off-chance, so ...

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 11, 2020, 10:20:31 PM »

Frankly, if the engine could talk, and you asked it "Does it make a difference to you whether there's air under you or not?", I think the engine would reply "I don't give a flying f*** what's back there."

That exhaust is coming out at the back, and if the rocket and engine aren't fastened down, the rocket it's attached to is going in the opposite direction, pronto, regardless of whether there's anything under the engine or not.

I think that's clear from the engine test footage, and the massive amounts of air that are almost casually pushed far, far away, thus failing to provide any resistance to the rocket exhaust.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 11, 2020, 10:15:31 PM »

Which scientist carried out a repeatable controlled scientific experiment that proves that rocket engines work in a vacuum ?

AFIK, nobody did a "repeatable controlled scientific experiment" that Concorde would fly at supersonic speed without falling apart. They made models, ran simulations, then one day a test pilot got into the cockpit and floored it

Likewise with the first jet to go to Mach 1 - Yeager, was it? Again, model it, run the theory, but the only way to test a full-size aircraft at Mach 1 was for a test pilot to get in and give it a go.

All manner of other "discoveries" went the same way.

If I find anything that suggests that "repeatable controlled scientific experiments" were done on rockets in vacuum before heading to space, I'll be the first to let you know.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 11, 2020, 07:22:56 PM »

Which scientist carried out a repeatable controlled scientific experiment that proves that rocket engines work in a vacuum

Maybe none.

Why would one need to?

Once you know that they work at low, medium and high altitudes, with the corresponding high, medium and low air pressures, the next stage surely is to send one above that high altitude. If the engine works, the craft goes higher, if not, it falls.

Observation tells you what results. In all that I've read on the subject, I've never encountered mention of someone doing this prior to the advent of space flight in the 1950s.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 11, 2020, 05:30:36 PM »

I see a rocket operating normally in a pressurized environment.

Do you see air being driven away from the engine, and failing to provide resistance to the rocket exhaust?

Do you see the airflow being dragged from above the engine, and down the side?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Iran's Space Suit is a Halloween Costume

« on: February 11, 2020, 05:19:58 PM »

You don't intend to look into this topic, or contribute?

We expect constructive posts here. The topic is that Iran's space suit is a Halloween costume. You are free to express your disagreement with that, or spin some tales about conspiracies.

Yes, that is the TOPIC, but you were asked specifically what your "argument presented" is, since you took others to task for not addressing it (or for failing to agree/disagree with it)

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How GPS Works and what about 64 satellites claimed by NASA

« on: February 11, 2020, 05:07:57 PM »

The law allowing was passed in the 1980's.
The technology allowing it wasn't available until 1999.

"In 1989, Magellan Navigation Inc. unveiled its Magellan NAV 1000, the world’s first commercial handheld GPS receiver. These units initially sold for approximately US$2,900 each."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_navigation_device#History

So, you reckon they unveiled commercial units in 1989 but didn't get the tech until 1999? How does that work?


"Magellan was the creator of the Magellan NAV 1000—the world’s first commercial handheld GPS receiver,[citation needed] which debuted in 1989"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_Navigation


The NAV 1000

http://retro-gps.info/Magellan/Magellan-NAV-1000/index.html

See the picture of the rear panel - I may be wrong, but that looks like Copyright 1988 to me... and the serial no. 89501752
 - unit number 1752, made in May 1989?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Are plane tickets real?

« on: February 11, 2020, 02:46:50 PM »

For those rare non-stop flights that do occur, it would not be surprising to find that aerial refueling is taking place, something of which the passengers would be totally unaware.

How would you manage this without passengers being aware of it? How do you get a refueling tanker within appropriate distance without passengers seeing, feeling or hearing it?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moon and Stars

« on: February 11, 2020, 02:37:48 PM »

Quit posting patently false information.
The direction the stars rotate over your head depend on the direction you are facing while standing still on the flat earth plane.
If you are facing north, the stars are moving from your right side to your left.
If you are facing south, the stars are moving from your left side to your right.

Can you describe or illustrate how that happens?

I can refer back to my posts above which do this for a globe, but if (for example) you have a flat plane with "North" in the centre, surely looking over that point to the other side is the same as looking South from the other side. If you disagree, give us an illustration of what you mean ...

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 11, 2020, 02:20:37 PM »

It is affecting the rocket. That is why rockets have stabilizers.

Where is the displaced air, if not way, way behind the rocket, having been displaced by the exhaust?



I see air being pushed far away from the rocket. I see air being dragged down from above the engine by this, but that air cannot be provided resistance to the exhaust, since it's coming in from ABOVE the exhaust.

What do you actually see here? Do you see a wall of air, providing something for the rocket to push against?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How GPS Works and what about 64 satellites claimed by NASA

« on: February 11, 2020, 01:56:36 PM »

It looks like your information is false still.

Again, GPS wasn't commercially available until 1999.

Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Citation 5 - https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a26980/why-the-military-released-gps-to-the-public/

"The GPS project was started by the U.S. Department of Defense in 1973, with the first prototype spacecraft launched in 1978 and the full constellation of 24 satellites operational in 1993. Originally limited to use by the United States military, civilian use was allowed from the 1980s thanks to an executive order from President Ronald Reagan[5]. "

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-12-04/gps-as-we-know-it-happened-because-of-ronald-reagan

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How GPS Works and what about 64 satellites claimed by NASA

« on: February 11, 2020, 01:52:20 PM »

It means you are saying 36,000 km far from earth satellite are suitable for telling out location but 1 km far from my location installed tower aren't? I have studied Architect Engineering and I know how to draw map for buildings and roads. Everything in map is benchmark to each other like one signal tower to other and so on. Now if you ask me I can draw map and create my own GPS for my city. I will draw map of my city and specify 1km=cm/inch (unit set). now I will mark each signal tower as benchmark and whoever getting signal from will be traced like how far he is from signal tower and in which direction.

That's all very well, but if something, like a hill, mountain or such gets between you and the towers, you're out of contact and cannot get your position.

So getting a signal from a position above you, which misses the landscape, would appear to be a better method.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How GPS Works and what about 64 satellites claimed by NASA

« on: February 11, 2020, 01:49:20 PM »

.... how my Old desktop showing my location on my Google Chrome Browser? Definitely from my router. right? but my router is connected through optical fibre with my internet providers server my question is how they are tracing my location?

Only Answer came in my mind is: My IP location which benchmarks my routers location on map? Correct me if I am not wrong.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1668304/how-does-google-calculate-my-location-on-a-desktop

If you connect to your Internet Service Provider via a landline, then your ISP knows where your landline is, where their local routers are, and where the Point Of Presence connecting to an internet "branch" is. 

This is totally different from how your mobile phone gets its location

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Iran's Space Suit is a Halloween Costume

« on: February 10, 2020, 11:12:38 PM »

Usually when people ask things like "so what" and "what's your point" they are implicitly agreeing with the argument presented. Since you agreed that Iran's space suit is a Halloween costume, you are a conspiracy theorist.

Oh, well.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Iran's Space Suit is a Halloween Costume

« on: February 10, 2020, 11:03:56 PM »

You posted or agreed with a conspiracy theory, telling us that the presented space suit was not really a space suit. Therefore you are a conspiracy theorist.

I thought all I did was ask what your point was, and quote from an article you cited.

Oh, well.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Iran's Space Suit is a Halloween Costume

« on: February 10, 2020, 10:59:35 PM »

Another conspiracy theorist checking in.

Please explain why I am tagged a "conspiracy theorist" ...

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Iran's Space Suit is a Halloween Costume

« on: February 10, 2020, 10:32:26 PM »

From your first link, Tom;

"in line with other over-the-top propaganda that the Iranian regime has produced regarding its space efforts in the past. In January 2019, amid celebrations marking the 40th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, the country's powerful Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps put up a billboard that absurdly implied Iran's achievements in this realm included the development of the U.S. Space Shuttle."

Your point is ... what?  That they exaggerate? Check.

Does that prove anything about any other space agency? No.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 10, 2020, 05:53:03 PM »

Displacement = gasses from the rocket into the pressurized environment of the atmoplane.

Force = the speed at which it is ejected.

Of course the air of the atmoplane is displaced by the rocket gasses being ejected.

How can the displaced air affect either the exhaust gases, or the craft from which they are being expelled? Once the air that was adjacent to the nozzle has been pushed (say) 500m away, it's merely being carried along as a passenger by a combination of rocket exhaust and ancillary air currents generated by the exhaust displacing first that air, then further rocket exhaust displacing the first emissions.

It seems to me that;

Displacement = gasses from the rocket    (into the pressurized environment of the atmoplane or into vacuum).
Force = the speed at which it is ejected.

works in both atmosphere and vacuum.