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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: Today at 07:33:24 PM »

You can't say "two wrongs don't make a right" when you refuse to accept that what Trump has said and done is even a "wrong" to begin with. To make your murder analogy work, we'd have to suppose that there's a guy named Joe who killed someone, nothing ever happened to him, and there was a large group of people who outright celebrated the fact that Joe had killed a person and admired just how tough and daring he was for doing it. Then a guy named Bob comes along and kills someone, and the same people celebrating Joe killing a person acted horrified and said, "How dare you kill a person? Murder is never, never, never justified!" and when Bob argued that Joe was celebrated for killing someone, those people stuck their fingers in their ears and shrieked, "Two wrongs don't make a right!" Because that's more or less what you're doing. When Trump behaves like a horrible person, you either look the other way or outright praise him for it. When someone who's opposed to Trump behaves poorly, you become a holier-than-thou pompous scold. Is being a bad person cool and acceptable or not? It's a simple question.

I wouldn't bother.  Tom's reply proves that he either can't see it, or won't say it.

He was 100% on board with bribing people to vote if it was Trump or Elon.  He's 100% onboard with blackmail or threats of/to politicians so long as its Trump doing it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: Today at 02:35:28 PM »

I'm again struck by the blatant contradiction of Trump fans who insist they admire him for being a cool bad boy who says what he wants and does what he wants, a master troll who stomps all over the delicate feelings of the whiny bleeding-heart "feels>reals" types and sends them scurrying for cover, only for them, whenever it's convenient, to reinvent him as a deeply pious and upstanding family man who stands against the godless immorality of people like the Clintons and Hollywood liberals, as well as a fearless defender of children against the predatory LGBT community. Which is it, guys? Do you embrace Trump's amorality or not? You can't sneer "lol, fuck your feelings" at people who rightly criticize Trump for making misogynistic or racist attacks and then turn around and say, "My goodness, I am offended by Rosie O'Donnell promoting a Flash game where you kill the president. This is deeply immoral! Think of the children!" It's one or the other. You can be all in on 4chan-style amorality and deliberate offensiveness, or you can claim the high ground and insist you're standing up for Christian values and decency, but you can't do both.

Ummm... Those ARE Christian values.
Proclaiming yourself to be holy and morally right while slaughtering innocents.  Thats about as Christian as you get.

I mean, maybe not but what Jesus taught, but very Christian.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 17, 2025, 04:45:54 PM »

That's not the reason Trump gave for why Rosie O'Donnell should be stripped of citizenship. Stop making things up.

He said she "is not in the best interests of our great country" and that "she is a Threat to Humanity".
Far as I can see he didn't elaborate on either of those claims.
So what does any of that mean? What has she actually done which would make him say that?
The only thing I can actually see she's done, apart from emigrate because she can't stand to be in a country in which he's president, is be an outspoken critic of him.
And he is notoriously and embarrassingly thin skinned. So if he's not talking about her criticism of him then what is he talking about?

If you can't see the way he goes after critics of him as dangerous and "dictatory" then you are beyond help.

Rosie O'Donnell is a public personality has made her positions quite clear. She believes in all of the radical positions of the far left and is intolerant under the guise of tolerance. She has two trans children and is a bad person.

Here she is promoting a game which humorizes killing a politician:

Fox - Rosie O'Donnel Under Fire for Promoting Trump Killing Game

Here she is openly bribing Congressional representatives:

Forbes - Has Rosie O'Donnell Tweeted Her Way Into Bribery Charges?

"After comedian Rosie O'Donnell offered $2 million to two Republican senators to vote against the GOP tax bill on Twitter, conservatives across the Internet began calling for formal charges of bribery against her.

O'Donnell's tweet was directed at Maine Senator Susan Collins and Arizona Senator Jeff Flake, who both ultimately voted for the tax bill. She reiterated the cash offer in several other tweets."

This last one alone, bribing politicians, is something that deserves a revocation of citizenship and deportation and expulsion from the country. She is also likely guilty of violating campaign finance laws. There is a pattern of attempting to tamper with the politicial process.

She said that she fled to Ireland because of Trump. She was afraid of being prosecuted.

>_>
Pot, have you met kettle?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 16, 2025, 09:03:36 PM »

But Donald Trump is separate under Citrix.  Citrix is a security software.

Interesting, no?

No, not very interesting.  Citrix is virtualization software, not necessarily security software.

Yes, I am aware.  It's virtualization, primarily for security these days.

Now...why would he have it written on the address book page in big letters?  He wasn't a computer person and the word is unrelated to anything he did, as far as I know.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-pamela-bondi-releases-first-phase-declassified-epstein-files



It's not the only page with it but it's odd to note.
Also of note: some of the writing has been erased by whoever copied it.  Look at page 81.  There's a fragment of text hand written but the rest is unexpectedly cut off.  Why?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 16, 2025, 04:31:32 PM »

So I went into the contacts book that the DoJ released in February.

He has Robert and Blaine Trump (clearly not updated in years)
Ivana Trump, Ivanka Trump,
But Donald Trump is separate under Citrix.  Citrix is a security software.

Interesting, no?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 15, 2025, 04:30:14 PM »

Yeah but if Dems get back in power, revenge time.

Like, the next dem president could execute Trump at the inauguration for reasons of him being a domestic threat, arrest and deport every maga member, deny allowing any voting to be secret ballot, then, to top it all off, have ICE protect itself by killing any protesters.

Which is all the apparent power Trump now has.  Or he assumes he does.

No, a Democratic president would be held to account if they tried to exceed their power so blatantly. The Supreme Court would rule against them, Congress would impeach them, public support would drop to nothing, etc.

They might even make an amendment to prevent presidents from having such immunity to begin with.

Which would be the point.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 15, 2025, 12:52:28 PM »

Claiming acts of driving and tax payments are somehow analogous to acts of banging an intern at the office

That's not what I said...

No, that is exactly what you said.

One can only take that you were placing yourself in Clinton's shoes by stating whether your driving habits or an honest or dishonest filing of taxes was a gauge of your political idealogy. First of all, you are nothing at all similar to Clinton in terms of position, power, or fame. B, nobody gives flying fuck what you do.

Those two acts have nothing to fucking do with the goddamn workplace and your introduction of them is typical of the fucking bullshit you post.

Engaging in sexual acts in the workplace, especially when one is in a clear position of power over the other, is a totalitarian act.

So Trump is a totalitarian, by your logic?

Yes, although I am not sure where you garner Trump has engaged in sexual acts while at the workplace.

The last one to hold office that was not was shot.

After he recouped, he ceased further attempts for fundamental change.

Ronald Reagan?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 15, 2025, 12:21:53 PM »

Claiming acts of driving and tax payments are somehow analogous to acts of banging an intern at the office

That's not what I said...

No, that is exactly what you said.

One can only take that you were placing yourself in Clinton's shoes by stating whether your driving habits or an honest or dishonest filing of taxes was a gauge of your political idealogy. First of all, you are nothing at all similar to Clinton in terms of position, power, or fame. B, nobody gives flying fuck what you do.

Those two acts have nothing to fucking do with the goddamn workplace and your introduction of them is typical of the fucking bullshit you post.

Engaging in sexual acts in the workplace, especially when one is in a clear position of power over the other, is a totalitarian act.

So Trump is a totalitarian, by your logic?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 14, 2025, 06:48:27 PM »

That's unfortunate for pretty much everyone. But yes, a largely stupid population voted for a stupid thing for stupid reasons. The fact you think that's a good thing is...odd.
I mean, Trump is pretty funny. But if you think that someone being voted in to power because they're funny is a good thing then you're part of the problem.

Humor is used for multiple puropses beyond the sake of humor. I gave an example of the Kim Jong Un summit and how humor was used to gain the upper hand. Trump's use of humor has won him multiple debates, in final striking blows against his opponents, showing that he is the smartest and most dymanic candiate for the job.

I've read the Constitution. It's not that long. It says who gets citizenship. It doesn't say that anyone specifically has a right to keep their citizenship, or that it can't be stripped away from them. There is nothing about "must be kept" or "must be maintained". This would go to the Supreme Court.

Actually, it has gone before the Supreme Court in the birthright citizenship case. You know, Trump’s challenge to the 14th amendment.

While you’re reading the Constitution, please point out where revoking citizenship is a power granted to the president in particular or the executive branch in general.

Here is Google AI's interpretation of the 1898 case:

"The landmark Supreme Court case regarding birthright citizenship is United States v. Wong Kim Ark, decided in 1898. This case affirmed that the 14th Amendment's citizenship clause grants automatic citizenship to anyone born within the United States, regardless of their parents' citizenship status. "

The keyword is that someone is granted citenship. Being granted a license isn't a guarantee that you get to keep the license regardless of how you conduct yourself. Being granted a certificate of land ownership isn't a guarantee that you get to keep the land forever, regardless of how you conduct your finances or eminent domain considerations. There are a hundred examples where designations are not permanent.

Further, a US Citizen can choose to give up their US Citizenship, proving that citizenship isn't absolute. If it were absolute you would not be able to give it up.

Please don't use AI.  It's stupid.

Also, you can give up your right to remain silent.  But it can't be taken.
Same with citizenship.  No where does it say it can be taken away.  Given away, yes, but not taken.

Otherwise, the next dem could take away Trump's citizenship and deport him to El Salvador.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 14, 2025, 05:08:08 PM »

Claiming acts of driving and tax payments are somehow analogous to acts of banging an intern at the office

That's not what I said, but look, whatever. Nothing I'm saying is getting through to you, so if you really want to believe that Clinton is a left-wing totalitarian because of his affair with Monica Lewinsky, then fine, go ahead. The rest of the world knows you're wrong.

On the other hand, there is a compelling argument to be made that the far left should be stripped of citizenship and deported.

No, there really isn't. It's blatantly unconstitutional on the face of it and horrific on an ethical level. That being said, if he wants to do it, then he'll do it. The courts won't stop him, Congress won't stop him, and his fans won't stop supporting him. They will never stop supporting him. That's why I'm not excited about the backlash Trump is getting over Epstein. His fans will fall in line within a week or so.

Yeah but if Dems get back in power, revenge time.

Like, the next dem president could execute Trump at the inauguration for reasons of him being a domestic threat, arrest and deport every maga member, deny allowing any voting to be secret ballot, then, to top it all off, have ICE protect itself by killing any protesters.

Which is all the apparent power Trump now has.  Or he assumes he does.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 14, 2025, 11:26:22 AM »

How big of a pussy do you have to be to consider Rosie O'Donnell a threat to humanity?

“Because of the fact that Rosie O’Donnell is not in the best interests of our Great Country, I am giving serious consideration to taking away her Citizenship. She is a Threat to Humanity, and should remain in the wonderful Country of Ireland, if they want her.”

Isn't she a Trump supporter?

Also, how the fuck can anyone be ok with Trump just deciding American Citizens aren't citizens anymore?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 10, 2025, 05:34:24 PM »

Sadaam, you clearly stated Clinton was a centrist.

Laws governing sexual conduct in the workplace are set by PLOTICIANS (spelling error purposeful).

Therefore, the behavior has everything to do with political ideology.

It was the act of a domineering totalitarian, certainly not a centrist.

LD, we've pretty much exhausted the Stormy Daniels story. She is a lying cunt.

Sexual harassment.
Not actual sex between two conscenting adults who both want it.

Unless you wish to show me the law prohibing sex in the workplace.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 10, 2025, 01:46:43 PM »

^kramer thinks banging a pornstar is something evil.

LMMFAO!!!

Trump seems to think so, otherwise he would 't have tried to hide it.

Probably because he was married when he did it.  And not to the porn star.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 09, 2025, 02:57:35 PM »

Clintons are "centrist."

What a fucking joke of a take.

Whether they are or not, the weird thing is you seem to be evidencing your position that they aren't by the fact Clinton had an affair with an intern.
"He cant be centrist! He got a blow job in the oval office!".

What the hell are you talking about? How are those two things linked?
Try "He can't be a centrist, he did <insert non-centrist policy he implemented here>"

No no he's right.  Only right wing folk have affairs.  Left are faithful.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 09, 2025, 07:39:22 AM »

It's a matter of politics, certainly, but not of policy.

Yes, of course.

There are no government policies regarding sexual conduct in the workplace.

Between two conscenting adults?  Sometimes but that exists in every business as well so I'm not sure I'd call it a government policy if private sectors do it as well.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 10:32:16 PM »

my french buddy, chip, let me know how to handle these things but it isnt really appropriate for the forum.

also page 666. nice.

Trump is now satanic.
Fact

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 07:39:23 PM »

So you went with the 'This was intentional and Trump is playing 4D chess' but with alot of maybe.

But since both Trump and Pam said they have the evidence, it's clear they were lying.  You wouldn't say you have something then say you don't as a honeypot for the people on the list.

I couldn't find a direct promise by Trump to release the sex trafficking client list. I found this from 2024:

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-teases-releasing-epstein-client-list-if-elected-id-certainly-take-a-look-at-it-bill-clinton-jeffrey-prince-andrew-rfk-jr-island-plane-stephen-hawking-donald-election-2024-sex-trafficking

“It’s just very strange for a lot of people that the list of clients that went to the island has not been made public,” Fridman said.

“Yeah, it’s very interesting, isn’t it?” Trump said.

“So if you’re able to, you’ll ---” Fridman began.

“Yeah, I’d certainly take a look at it,” Trump said.

Since Trump had access to everything as President, his specific wording matters. Trump doesn't say that he there is a specific client list of people who rented children from Epstein through sex trafficking that the government is withholding. There is list of people who went to the island that is being witheld. We already have a lot of those names who went to the island, which are hundreds of celebrities and rich people.

The list of people who went to the island was released in 2023.

Pamela did say there is a list.  So .. there's that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 06:57:31 PM »

When the affair is taking place with an intern in the workplace, that most certainly is a matter of politics.

Trump is having an affair with an intern in the Oval Office?

What the fuck are you smoking?

LMMFAO!!!

And what is the political stance, then?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 04:21:48 PM »

Clinton a "centrist."

Explains the blow job (it is a perfectly acceptable policy to have sex relations with your intern) and Janet Reno (of Waco fame).

Again, what in the living fuck are you smoking?

I was not aware a sexual affair is a valid political position.
What does that make Trump, then?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2m879neljo

Curious how Tom will spin this.
Official story?
Democrat edits?
Hillary Clinton?

Or will they finally start to question if Trump, who was president at the time, had a hand in it...

This has been happening for almost two decades now. Epstein was convicted for sex trafficking 19 years ago, and since then his list of associates was continually threatened to be released, but then somehow not released. At this point we can only hope that the wealthy clients are being snatched under seal in a massive honeypot of self incrimination.

It is suspect to me how a man who didn't even have a company website obtained hundreds of millions of dollars, giving credence to the claims that he was part of an covert operation designed to gather blackmail against the rich and powerful. If true, the system will never allow the details of this to be fully known and expose itself, no matter who is President.

So you went with the 'This was intentional and Trump is playing 4D chess' but with alot of maybe.

But since both Trump and Pam said they have the evidence, it's clear they were lying.  You wouldn't say you have something then say you don't as a honeypot for the people on the list.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 09:59:36 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2m879neljo

Curious how Tom will spin this.
Official story?
Democrat edits?
Hillary Clinton?

Or will they finally start to question if Trump, who was president at the time, had a hand in it...