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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: January 11, 2020, 04:05:00 PM »

I don't care about your opinions about the government to be clear, just the physical theories.

You first chose to put forward the "trust your government" point.

And if this us the wrong approach, explain what would be a right one.

When you prepare a talk the first thing you do is assessing your audience. If you address someone who created an entire wiki on flat earth, would you expect to just pass by, shout a low quality argument, and then to just shrug at everyone because they don't understand? You're an engineer, so I ask you to self-evaluate the effect of your post in terms of results and time to reward ratio.

I didn't ask how I should ask questions. Just keep it to the core, don't deviate from the physics please.

Guys I don't see the difference between a sun setting and a building emitting light. Both seen from the same angle through the same kind of atmosphere. Yet the building vanishes. Please explain.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: December 19, 2019, 12:01:25 PM »

Then how can you see the moon/sun while those are also around that far away?

Because the atmosphere is much more dense and much more full of particulates closer to the surface of the earth. The number of air, water, dust, pollen, smoke, and other molecules that light has to travel through when looking horizontally are MUCH MUCH higher than when looking up.

Yet you can see the sun and moon set.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: December 18, 2019, 07:50:10 PM »

Sometimes the visibility lower to earth is just poor in comparison. That's not to say that it means we live on a flat earth though, obviously... Just that it's not the best way to define the shape of the earth.

"Sometimes"? You're probably looking for something more along the lines of "Virtually all the time, with only rare exceptions"

I mean, sure. I agree.

Sometimes sometimes means some of the times which may or may not be most or barely any of the times. Sorry for my wording but I think my point still stands;

"Most of the time the visibility lower to earth is just poor in comparison. That's not to say that it means we live on a flat earth though, obviously... Just that it's not the best way to define the shape of the earth."

Would you disagree? I'm basically saying that because I can see the sun in the sky on a foggy day and can't see a city a mile away, I can't simply conclude the world is x shape.

That said though if the sun/moon was visible on the horizon it's a more interesting question for sure.

Exactly! thanks I will put your argument in my question as this debunks the travel limit of light through air.:

How come you don't see Mount Everest from the left most corner of Indonesia, but you can see the sun and moon set?

Can anyone answer?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: December 18, 2019, 02:34:42 PM »

You can see the moon and sun, but always?

Tonight, the air quality over my head was such that you could not see the moon.

Right now, I cannot see the Sun due to air quality.
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Still when it's day, the sun and moon are 3000 miles above the surface according to your theory. So please explain why we cant see mount Everest from further than ~350 miles with the same conditions, day time.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: December 18, 2019, 01:38:59 PM »

Here I am to discuss the flat earth.

How come that you don't see the Mount Everest when standing on the leftmost island of Indonesia?

Several reasons. Primarily air quality prohibits visual acuity exceeding approximately 350 km in a straight line.

Light bouncing of the mountain couldn't be stopped right?

No, this is just flat out wrong.

If you say that there's too much air in between:

There is no such thing as "too much air in between."

The amount air in between is going to be the amount air in between, regardless of personal opinion.

... the same can be said about cities just miles apart while airplanes even further away can be seen.

Good luck.

Again, it is strictly about air quality.

Then how can you see the moon/sun while those are also around that far away?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: December 18, 2019, 01:37:08 PM »

How come you don't see Mount Everest from the left most corner of Indonesia?

Because there is a limit to how far light can travel through the air. That distance is above the upper limit of the number of miles that light can travel through the atmosphere.

Then how can you see the moon/sun while those are also around that far away?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: December 18, 2019, 12:43:48 AM »

You're taking the wrong approach, anyway:

FE is a proven theory and FEs do understand that if governments are lying, is because there's a good reason for that. Perspective denies seeing what you mention. Cities are highly illuminated and that's a possible reason for the effect that you mention (but that you don't prove or provide evidence)

You gave reason for half my question. I don't care about your opinions about the government to be clear, just the physical theories. So I'll ask the question again.
And if this us the wrong approach, explain what would be a right one.

How come you don't see Mount Everest from the left most corner of Indonesia?

And come on, I don't have to send you a picture to support this question do I?

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Flat Earth Theory / I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: December 17, 2019, 11:34:29 PM »

Here I am to discuss the flat earth.
I am a religious, aeronautical engineer who's up for a discussion. I am hoping to convince flat earthers that this theory is wrong.

If you can't prove anymore and you're left with the globe, either ask someone for help or accept the fact that the government doesn't lie to you.
This is not a game about pride.

Many YouTube videos (of which some of you aren't proud) try to give proof of the flat earth. Many explanations contradict each other so here I am asking you guys in person.

Starting with:
How come that you don't see the Mount Everest when standing on the leftmost island of Indonesia?
Light bouncing of the mountain couldn't be stopped right?

If you say that there's too much air in between: the same can be said about cities just miles apart while airplanes even further away can be seen.

Good luck.