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Flat Earth Theory / Re: questions about day/night sky

« on: December 06, 2021, 06:44:24 PM »

It's your distance from the sun that makes the sun set through a Dome.  And if you compare the atmosphere to a vacuum, you'd have to admit it's pretty thick.

Apparently not thick enough to stop an SLC resident from seeing the Sun 6500 miles away.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: December 06, 2021, 04:39:01 PM »

A media curfew wouldn't hurt...Masks are about obedience ... not science.

A media curfew is supported by science? Going to a shop is a fundamental right? Here in the States a lot of shops have this posted:



I guess that's taking a fundamental right away? So the goal is "obedience"? The benefit to mandate makers is....? And a media curfew isn't forced "obedience"?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: questions about day/night sky

« on: December 06, 2021, 04:28:36 PM »

I will provide you with all of the answers!  just kidding...

The answer is that the sun and stars are above earth at all times.  And without any atmosphere, your arguments hold true - You should see the sun from all three states, there should be no sharp termination line of sunrise or sunset, and people from around the world should probably see every star everywhere provided they are high enough in the sky.   

But, once you place a dome beneath you and celestial objects, then refraction changes their image.

It explains why the Sun sets quickly from Missouri to Utah and why you see stars normally blocked by the sun coming into view after sunset, etc.  I can't explain the mechanism behind it, other than it is demonstratable on a small scale.

Here's a link explaining the general picture of earth and the solar system. 

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=18768.0

The atmosphere doesn't really explain it. Here is St Louis at dusk, the sun has set over the horizon yet SLC is still in daylight and the sun can be seen above the horizon. And the sun is directly overhead some 6500 miles away toward the West, yet SLC residents can still see it. St Louis residents can't.



If you're going to try a small scale demonstration, don't use a chunk of glass magnifier as that is not representative of a "dome", it would squash us all. Use an overturned glass bowl or similar.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How do FE proponents explain flying over the south pole?

« on: December 05, 2021, 06:56:19 AM »

Like a frisbee, the Earth wobbles once a year.  And stack you cannot assume your compass will point south on this map...  A Magnetic North Pole is where field lines are vertical to earth.  And I like this map bc the North lands create a basin to hold the majority of Earth's water like a tub, which makes a less dramatic ice wall more realistic to holds Earth's remaining water.

So even though I have compass that points south when I’m facing south you’re telling me it doesn’t do that when in reality it does?

And you realize there is a difference between a basic northern hemisphere compass and a basic Southern Hemisphere compass, right?

And why is magnetic north any different than magnetic south?

Just to be clear, this all is just what you believe and not really based on any science? I mean you realize, on your map, that planes flying from LAX to Heathrow would fly over South America on a straight shortest route shot? They don’t. They generally fly way up over Greenland on a great circle. Which on your map would be 1000s of miles out of the way. That would make zero sense and is not observed in reality.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How do FE proponents explain flying over the south pole?

« on: December 05, 2021, 05:51:12 AM »

There's a good thread about this subject here https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=18607.0

I assume the 4 months are around Oct, Nov Dec, Jan?  That would tilt the Earth away from the sun and center it more over Antarctica which allows it to be seen all day.

What sort of tilt are you referring to?

And I still don't understand if I want to fly due north from sydney to tokyo, if north is all around the rim of the disk, which north am I traveling on? Which way am I traveling if I fly from sydney to sao paulo?

Scomato explained what I meant by seasonal tilt, except on FE it is cause by a wobble.

For your second question, from Sydney to Tokyo, you would need to look up the lines of longitude you must travel along - in this case its 150'E...  ..

From Sydney to Sao Paulo, you travel South towards Antarctica then North again to Brazil using lines of latitude and longitude as a reference.

I'm sorry to OP if we digressed from Circumpolar travel possibility to "How actually to fly a plane pole to pole in different earth dimensions."

What wobble are you referring to?

The problem is that north on my compass points to roughly near the North Pole, magnetic north. On your map, if I fly north to Tokyo from Sydney, north on my compass would be pointed in the opposite direction I am traveling. How does that work?

And why have Antarctica in the center of your map as opposed to the arctic? Why did you pick one over the other?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Azimuth angles?

« on: December 05, 2021, 05:42:58 AM »

Even angles, the angle at which the sun rise/sets is always the same as measured from true north, as shown on the azimuth charts.
I have tried to post a couple of pics to explain but I can't seam to get them to load!?

I’m not sure what you mean by “measured from true north.”

To post an image use something like imgur, upload the image, then paste the generated code into your post.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How do FE proponents explain flying over the south pole?

« on: December 04, 2021, 11:06:54 PM »

There's a good thread about this subject here https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=18607.0

I assume the 4 months are around Oct, Nov Dec, Jan?  That would tilt the Earth away from the sun and center it more over Antarctica which allows it to be seen all day.

What sort of tilt are you referring to?

And I still don't understand if I want to fly due north from sydney to tokyo, if north is all around the rim of the disk, which north am I traveling on? Which way am I traveling if I fly from sydney to sao paulo?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Azimuth angles?

« on: December 04, 2021, 04:55:31 PM »

I've looked at many azimuth charts for various latitudes and the common factor is that the rising/set angle are even all year.
That's an impossibility if the earth has an inclined angle of 23.4° to the ecliptic.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "even". Can you explain?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How do FE proponents explain flying over the south pole?

« on: December 04, 2021, 07:32:33 AM »

Technically it's not impossible - Field lines can expand from the center and wrap around the earth (or something) ...   Navigationally it would be tough since there's uncharted land out there and like I said, if you go far enough North people might assume it's the North Pole.

How exactly is it not impossible?

On your map, for one, now Antarctica is the center of the flat earth, not the north pole? For two, you're saying on your map that if a pilot is navigating a plane from let's say Sydney and the destination is Tokyo, she/he would fly roughly due north, which on your map is the opposite of toward the north pole. Isn't that oddly confusing? It's not from a globe perspective, but from your map it's untenable in terms of navigational reality.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How do FE proponents explain flying over the south pole?

« on: December 03, 2021, 08:37:19 PM »

Right. Except Pole to Pole circumnavigation trips have occurred.
Looking at the routes of those, they don’t go straight on at the South Pole

That do not happen to be pole to pole.

Ok. Well how about you look the route of one of them up and show how it maps to a flat earth map.

Well, how about eliminating what you wrote to begin.

You write, "Pole to Pole circumnavigation trips have occurred."

Immediately after that, you write, "Looking at the routes of those, they don’t go straight on at the South Pole."

Meaning that is not pole to pole.

Obviously, since the maps and charts used were flat, it worked just fine.

Apparently this guy is pretty convinced he flew Pole-to-Pole:

San Diego Pilot Completes ‘Pole to Pole’ Circumnavigation
"San Diego resident Robert DeLaurentis, an aviator and former Navy officer, described his unique journey Wednesday after completing a nine-month circumnavigation from the South Pole to the North Pole to spread a message of peace."
https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2020/08/12/san-diego-pilot-completes-pole-to-pole-circumnavigation/

Pan Am apparently pulled it off too back in '77:

How Pan Am Flight 50 flew from pole to pole
"The one-time-only flight on Boeing's new special performance 747 began in San Francisco, flew over the North Pole and stopped at its next destination: London.

After refueling the plane jetted on to South Africa. Next, it flew over the South Pole and landed in New Zealand before taking off again and ending up back in San Francisco.
Total time: 54 hours, seven minutes and 12 seconds. The record-setting average speed, according to the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale: 487 mph (784 km/hr)."

The route:



https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/pole-to-pole-pan-am-flight-50/index.html

Scomato I believe Satellites exist and fly over all parts of the world.  But because of refraction the images may be warped in some instances. 

I mapped out Pan Am 50's circumpolar flight on a South Centered FE Map.



Using this information, I don't see why it's impossible for a flight to travel along a Flat Earth and arrive at the same results.   Their flight path looks very similar to the "great circle" paths commercial pilots use today (in red).  And keep in mind that anybody who arrives at 90'N latitude assumes they are at the North Pole (as per RE Theory).

There's kind of an issue with your map. North is everywhere around the rim:

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: November 30, 2021, 11:57:37 PM »

I don't use streaming services to watch shitty US sitcoms. I can find them everywhere on the web, in part and in their entirety, not just on Hulu and Netflix. So you're going to have to shut down my entire interwebs. How do you post here and not know this?

I don't need to brick up a river to stem its flow. If I cut back the amount of access that is readily available, people will watch less ... partly because they'll have seen all the things they want to watch elsewhere and partly because many can't be bothered to hunt for stuff late when they are tired. I'm not trying to make every citizen go to bed on time every night. I'm nudging the population towards a more sensible lifestyle. some will, some won't, but those who will then save my health service billions.

See above. It's not just streaming services, it's everything. Again, how do you not know this?

Nudging.
https://govinsider.asia/innovation/six-ways-governments-nudging-citizens/

And do you have data on the health risks of watching shitty US sitcoms at 3:01 AM?

Do you think it is good for you to get not very much sleep? I don't need a fucking scientist to tell me things that are common sense.

"Sensible" as defined by you. Scary.

There's nothing in that article that references sleep deprivation and "nudges" governments.

Do you have any data stating that people are getting less sleep because they are staying up past 3 AM watching shitty US sitcoms?

I'm pretty sure it's a universal truth that it's a blessing that you wield zero political power and have zero guidance sway over any portion of the populace.

And you want to mandate all of this, but have a problem wearing a mask into a shop. 

Again ... I don't intend to force anyone to do anything.

My manifesto changed corporate behaviour to nudge citizens to make better choices.

But you are forcing people. You can't watch TV after 3 AM = You can't go into a shop without a mask. So you're forced to have to find another way to consume media content after 3 AM if you want and you're forced to have to find another way, maybe delivery perhaps, to get from a shop what you want w/o a mask. What's the difference? Both mandates could be for be the betterment of health, right?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: November 30, 2021, 08:54:02 PM »

I know you didn't say that, but where does it stop? I mindlessly binge-watch plenty of shitty US sitcoms on my computer via the internet at 3 AM. Are you going to stop me from doing that?

I'm going to stop streaming services from providing that service. You can do what you like. Maybe you will use a VPN? But my nudging stopped millions of people ... not all people, but millions from staying up all night watching trash TV.

I don't use streaming services to watch shitty US sitcoms. I can find them everywhere on the web, in part and in their entirety, not just on Hulu and Netflix. So you're going to have to shut down my entire interwebs. How do you post here and not know this?

So now you are taking something away from me because you don't like shitty US sitcoms? You disapprove of the content and are saving me from myself. You're worse than any existing mandate and basically acting as thought police.

No, you can watch shitty sitcoms. But not at 3am. This isn't hard. You can't buy a beer at 3am either. The pubs are shut by law. I am only stipulating the hours at which they companies can offer their services. That is very common already. Construction companies are not allowed to operate near built up areas all through the night. Most airports have to stop operating at night. I'm asking streaming companies to do the same.

See above. It's not just streaming services, it's everything. Again, how do you not know this?

And do you have data on the health risks of watching shitty US sitcoms at 3:01 AM?

So now you've defined adult behavior as not watching content in the wee hours in my own home? What if I don't have work tomorrow?

I don't give a fuck. Maybe you work nights. Doesn't matter, the pubs still shut regardless of YOUR waking hours.

What if I said I found public swimming facilities a cesspool of bacteria and we apparently don't have the necessary means of properly maintaining them with adequate standards and governmental resources for safety testing and mitigation measures. So we are now shutting them all down. And bicycling has been deemed very dangerous. The health benefits don't outweigh the amount of infrastructure and resource needs, e.g., bike lane construction/maintenance, health services, etc. So, bicycling has been banned. Because that's my decision based upon my health benefits assessment.

Yes, but you are a half wit and I am Thork. I have been ushered to leadership upon a wave of popularity and thrust into the seat of power. People want my guidance. No one has voted for you in my manifesto scenario. You're just an angry neck beard who is looking for things to complain about.

I'm pretty sure it's a universal truth that it's a blessing that you wield zero political power and have zero guidance sway over any portion of the populace.

And you want to mandate all of this, but have a problem wearing a mask into a shop. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: November 30, 2021, 08:01:01 PM »

- What if I make my own chips and am eating them in public?

I'm not stopping you.

So it's not illegal like me cooking my own meth?

Does a cop come up and bust me for eating contraband chips?

No, I made a change to weights and measures. what you do in your own home is up to you. 

I'm not in my own house, I'm munching on a street corner.

I'm an individual, not a corporation. But now I have to spend 10 days in the hole and pay a fine for being in possession of illegal fried potato strips.

You aren't selling potato chips. Therefore, you can serve them out in any quantity you like. But if you want to sell them to the public ... 40g bags please.

So if I sell them at 41g a bag, I'm busted? What's the penalty? I'm just an individual, how is that a corporate thing?

- I'm a small independent single-owner shop keeper. I'm going to put bars up to only let the slim get in - What if someone just wants to buy some shampoo, toothpaste, and toilet paper, but they are too portly to squeeze in?

I only applied the law to fast food outlets and bakeries. McDonalds don't sell shampoo to the best of my knowledge.

I sell fast-food type items and baked goods in my little old corner store. Along with shampoo, toothpaste, and toilet paper. I'm not a corporation.

What if I decide not to put bars up? Am I fined, imprisoned? I'm just a person, not a corporation.

If you are a business owner, sure. You can be imprisoned for not complying with the law. That's pretty much how life is anyway.

I'm not a corporation, I'm an individual. How is this only corporate oriented?

- I have no problem with compulsory cooking lessons. But then you are now going to have to mandate what a cooking teacher can cook as far as recipes go. Have fun with that.

Its called a syllabus. If you can mandate what kids learn in History class, you can mandate which basic meals they should learn to cook.

Like I said, have fun with that. Who mandates what the approved recipes are? Some may say vegan is the only healthy diet that should be taught. Some may say keto. Who decides?

- Shutting down TV? What's next, you're going to have corporations shut down internet access between those times too?

I didn't say that, did I? Mindlessly binge-watching box sets of shitty US sitcoms until 3am isn't the same as checking your facebook before you go to bed.

I know you didn't say that, but where does it stop? I mindlessly binge-watch plenty of shitty US sitcoms on my computer via the internet at 3 AM. Are you going to stop me from doing that?

Where does it stop? What if I'm swing-shift, work evenings, nights?

Then you will be used to things being shut when you are working. 

So now you are taking something away from me because you don't like shitty US sitcoms? You disapprove of the content and are saving me from myself. You're worse than any existing mandate and basically acting as thought police.

I can't watch TV when I get home from work? The government is now denying access to information - That seems pretty draconian to me.

Turning off Netflix is no different to making sure the pubs shut at closing time. No, you cannot drink until 4am on a Tuesday, and no, you can't stay up all night watching Squid Game. You've got work tomorrow. If you can't be an adult, my government will help steer you in the right direction and will do it by preventing corporations from leading you astray.

So now you've defined adult behavior as not watching content in the wee hours in my own home? What if I don't have work tomorrow? Saturday and all. What if I said I found public swimming facilities a cesspool of bacteria and we apparently don't have the necessary means of properly maintaining them with adequate standards and governmental resources for safety testing and mitigation measures. So we are now shutting them all down. And bicycling has been deemed very dangerous. The health benefits don't outweigh the amount of infrastructure and resource needs, e.g., bike lane construction/maintenance, health services, etc. So, bicycling has been banned. Because that's my decision based upon my health benefits assessment.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: November 30, 2021, 06:32:54 PM »

Wearing a mask is "subservient", and the government is stoking fear. Yet your mandates, banning chips, metal bars in front of shops only allowing the emaciated to get in, no TV after midnight, vilifying fat people, that's at all not subservient and stoking government fear? What's the government penalty for eating banned, contraband chips in your new world order?  I thought you were against most government intervention in people's personal lives. Now you seem super gung-ho at the government peering into your cabinets and checking your scale and penalizing you accordingly. What a bizarre thorkian twist.

None of my laws were laws against the public. That is the difference. all of my laws were laws at corporations that have made people sick in the last 60 years.

Changing weights and measures of sweets dictates to a corporation ... but they already have all kinds of laws like you have to metal detect your goods and weigh them before you can sell them. I'm adding corporate nudging to change lifestyles.
If Netflix must shut between midnight and 8am ... how is that different to any other shop having trading hours?
Putting bars on a shop to make sure only slimmer people can enter for their own safety and health is no different to putting a height restriction on people wanting to use a rollercoaster. And again, it's the shop that is being mandated at ... not the public.
School is compulsory anyway. Why would making the lessons in it such as cooking or sports be any more draconian.

Every suggestion forced corporations to make the changes. Our government never takes on corporations. Instead they want to force me into being vaccinated, force me to wear a mask, force me to work from home, force me to self isolate. Governments attack people and their sovereignty. I would have gone after the corporations instead because a corporation is a legal entity but it doesn't have feelings.

Actually, they are all against the corporations and the public .

- What if I make my own chips and am eating them in public? Does a cop come up and bust me for eating contraband chips? I'm an individual, not a corporation. But now I have to spend 10 days in the hole and pay a fine for being in possession of illegal fried potato strips.
- I'm a small independent single-owner shop keeper. I'm going to put bars up to only let the slim get in - What if someone just wants to buy some shampoo, toothpaste, and toilet paper, but they are too portly to squeeze in? What if I decide not to put bars up? Am I fined, imprisoned? I'm just a person, not a corporation.
- I have no problem with compulsory cooking lessons. But then you are now going to have to mandate what a cooking teacher can cook as far as recipes go. Have fun with that.
- Shutting down TV? What's next, you're going to have corporations shut down internet access between those times too? Where does it stop? What if I'm swing-shift, work evenings, nights? I can't watch TV when I get home from work? The government is now denying access to information - That seems pretty draconian to me.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: November 30, 2021, 05:39:22 PM »

You want your government to mandate all of that, but you think government mask mandates are an overreach?

You have to look at it from his perspective.
If he isn't affected, its not overreach.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. I'm not someone who needs health policing. I look after myself. It is why I get so annoyed when a guy who looks like he could die at any minute starts issuing mandates. Shitty mandates at that.


^This is a man who never exercises. Ever. A man with poor sleep hygiene. A man with a dreadful diet who is flushed red with his sky high blood pressure. A man who dives into his medicine cabinet every time he picks up a sniffle and fills himself with drugs. I don't want a man like that giving me health advice. He knows fuck all about health. Look at him.

I'm healthy. If people lived a little more like me, we wouldn't have all these health issues. And so yes, if you want to treat your body badly and go outside of what is sensible, then you need to be picking up the bill if we have socialised health care. You need higher premiums. Your premiums are low because people like me aren't accessing the services. I'm paying for you.

So that's Chris Witty, kinda the UK's version of the US's Fauci?

How do you know so much about his exercise & sleep regime and his diet? Or that he over medicates himself? You seem to have this inside track of information about virus strains and health practices of UK officials that no one else seems to have - How do you do it?

So you have to wear masks in shops and you get tested when arriving in the UK? Is that really that burdensome for you? Seems like a fair precaution not knowing whether this variant is worse than Delta or not. Where's the mandatory work from home bit?

Or do you know something about Omicron that no else does? You're acting like you do.

I know that this variant cannot be allowed to just pass without action. It is a great opportunity for government. They must maintain the fear. They must maintain the mantra that citizens need them.

European stock markets have fallen after the boss of Moderna cast doubts on the effectiveness of vaccines against the new Omicron Covid variant.

^Oh, that's very very convenient. Yup, that'll keep people subservient until February.

Wearing a mask is "subservient", and the government is stoking fear. Yet your mandates, banning chips, metal bars in front of shops only allowing the emaciated to get in, no TV after midnight, vilifying fat people, that's at all not subservient and stoking government fear? What's the government penalty for eating banned, contraband chips in your new world order?  I thought you were against most government intervention in people's personal lives. Now you seem super gung-ho at the government peering into your cabinets and checking your scale and penalizing you accordingly. What a bizarre thorkian twist.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: November 30, 2021, 05:32:03 AM »

You want your government to mandate all of that, but you think government mask mandates are an overreach?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: November 29, 2021, 10:55:44 PM »

Apparently, you missed a bit from your article:

"We don't yet exactly know how effective our vaccines will be against omicron but we have good reasons for believing they will provide at least some measure of protection.
"If you're boosted, your response is likely to be stronger so it's more vital than ever that people get their jabs and we get those boosters into arms as fast as possible."

You stated I'm not vaxxed against Omicron. How would you know? And what does your claim that somehow you know vax's don't work for Omicron have anything to do with your government stripping you of your civil liberties?

Do you know something about Omicron that no one else does?

No one cares about the facts. Least of all, governments. How will you be TREATED now we have a new variant? Answer: As though you haven't been vaccinated again. Go put on your masks, work from home and live exactly like you did before the 'world saving' vaccines were developed.

From your article:

The new restrictions are as follows:

    - Anyone arriving in the UK will be asked to take a PCR test for Covid-19 by the second day and must self-isolate until they provide a negative test.
    - All contacts of people who do test positive with the suspected variant will have to self-isolate for 10 days. The Government confirmed that this applies to children.
    - The rules on face coverings are changing. They will become compulsory on public transport and in shops from next week, but not including hospitality. Teachers and pupils in Year 7 and above are now being "strongly advised" to wear masks in communal areas outside classrooms in England.

So you have to wear masks in shops and you get tested when arriving in the UK? Is that really that burdensome for you? Seems like a fair precaution not knowing whether this variant is worse than Delta or not. Where's the mandatory work from home bit?

Or do you know something about Omicron that no else does? You're acting like you do.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: November 29, 2021, 08:15:06 PM »

lol @ anyone who thought that they were, or ever would be, fully vaxxed

I guess I'm fully vaxxed now. Cool.

Nope. You aren't Omicron vaxxed.

Do you have some sort of direct line to the researchers around the world trying to determine how transmissible and how severe illness could be from Omicron and the efficacy of current vax's against it? Apparently, you know something no one else on the planet knows yet. Delusions of grandeur?

If being able to read is a 'delusion of grandeur', sure.

My government already told us how it wishes to strip us of our civil liberties using omicron as the excuse. And they don't give a crap if you're vaccinated or not. We all get treated as 'not'.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/29/new-covid-rules-uk-omicron-variant-tests-face-masks-christmas/

Apparently, you missed a bit from your article:

"We don't yet exactly know how effective our vaccines will be against omicron but we have good reasons for believing they will provide at least some measure of protection.
"If you're boosted, your response is likely to be stronger so it's more vital than ever that people get their jabs and we get those boosters into arms as fast as possible."

You stated I'm not vaxxed against Omicron. How would you know? And what does your claim that somehow you know vax's don't work for Omicron have anything to do with your government stripping you of your civil liberties?

Do you know something about Omicron that no one else does?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: November 29, 2021, 07:47:53 PM »

lol @ anyone who thought that they were, or ever would be, fully vaxxed

I guess I'm fully vaxxed now. Cool.

Nope. You aren't Omicron vaxxed.

Do you have some sort of direct line to the researchers around the world trying to determine how transmissible and how severe illness could be from Omicron and the efficacy of current vax's against it? Apparently, you know something no one else on the planet knows yet. Delusions of grandeur?

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Flat Earth Projects / Re: Untrustworthy quotation in the wiki

« on: November 29, 2021, 05:04:15 AM »

Another British tabloid, the Express, had a similar poll from its readers back in 2019. "Out of 8,352 votes, 5,089 (61 percent) said the landings actually happened."