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Re: Trump
« Reply #6960 on: November 18, 2020, 12:30:29 PM »
Hill, CNN, Politico - Leftist outlets  lol

Liberal media are incapable of giving an honest negative assessment without misrepresentation. I would suggest arguing whatever you are trying to argue with conservative sources.

Lestist media is only valid for factual matters such as whether the supreme court can accept a case without going through the courts. Any time an opinion comes into play it's typically partisan baloney.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #6961 on: November 18, 2020, 12:32:22 PM »
 ::)

Anyway, back in the real world, it's now Giuliani himself who's getting laughed out of court.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/17/politics/trump-giuliani-election-lawsuit/index.html

Giuliani: "No, judge, we're no alleging that fraud took place." An eye-opening strategy, I can't wait to find out if it works!
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Re: Trump
« Reply #6962 on: November 18, 2020, 12:34:50 PM »
Hill, CNN, Politico - Leftist outlets  lol

The Hill has both Left and Right Wing views represented in their media.

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Liberal media are incapable of giving an honest negative assessment without misrepresentation. I would suggest arguing whatever you are trying to argue with conservative sources.

Show me which facts have been misrepresented in the sources I’ve presented. Did the Georgia Secretary of State not complete their audit? Did he in fact say there were problems that weren’t attributable to clerical or human error?  Did Trump not have his case ruled against by SCOPA 5-2? What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

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Lestist media is only valid for factual matters such as whether the supreme court can accept a case without going through the courts. Any time an opinion comes into play it's typically partisan baloney.

Tom just figured out opinion pieces are opinions. Congrats.

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« Reply #6963 on: November 18, 2020, 12:37:20 PM »
There are many more details to those stories and assessments that those liberal outlets leave out or do not discuss, or misrepresent. I would suggest finding the conservative versions of those stories and addressing that rather than presenting incomplete and biased information. Presenting your leftist articles doesn't really show much. You need to address the other side.

SCOPA was expected to rule that way, as they  allowed it to happen the first place, and the biggest democrat county in GA was expected to try to rush their audit. It is expected that people who don't want their fraud uncovered would want to cover it up as quick as possible. There is plenty more news on offensive positioning, advancement in cases, testimony, reorganization and consolidation of evidence, and mounting evidence. You have to go to somewhere like OAN and debunk their stories.

These early negative events mean nothing, and are expected. A real court case isn't going to be won in days, like the fraud enablers try to dismiss in days.
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« Reply #6964 on: November 18, 2020, 12:38:53 PM »
Especially when we have an entire political party dedicated to doing anything to keep in power.
It'd be crazy if there were two of those...
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« Reply #6965 on: November 18, 2020, 12:56:24 PM »
Hill, CNN, Politico - Leftist outlets  lol
Your sources are nice and unbiased, are they?

Obviously all sources have bias. But what facts are you disputing here?
CNN say Trump fired someone. He did. CNN assert it's because the someone didn't back up his wild conspiracy theories - do you have a different hot take?
And Politico are saying that Wayne County have certified their results. They have. Are you disputing that?

The trouble for you is that Trump et all can spout what they like, Kayleigh can boast about 234 pages of affidavits but when these things get into court - you know, a place where actual facts are being assessed - Trump's people are repeatedly being laughed out of the place. Because they got nothing.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

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« Reply #6966 on: November 18, 2020, 01:03:09 PM »
Nope, hundreds of pages of affidavits have not been laughed out of court.

You are giving us selective bias, pointing to things which may have been dismissed because they were trying to get the state to concede on an interpretation of law. The lawyers may have expected it to be appealed to the US Supreme Court to decide if just being in a room 25 feet away from the people counting votes meets the spirit of being an election observer.

The state courts can be expected to rule on the technicality of the law which benefits the state. SCOTUS can be expected to make a ruling that benefits the country.
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« Reply #6967 on: November 18, 2020, 01:07:01 PM »
You are giving us selective bias, pointing to things which may have been dismissed because they were trying to get the state to concede on an interpretation of law.
Sorry about that.
I would point to things which haven't been dismissed, but there aren't any.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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« Reply #6968 on: November 18, 2020, 01:17:39 PM »
You are giving us selective bias, pointing to things which may have been dismissed because they were trying to get the state to concede on an interpretation of law.
Sorry about that.
I would point to things which haven't been dismissed, but there aren't any.

This is the crux of the problem with Tom’s assertions. The one legal expert he cited as supporting his notion that these lawsuits are credible did so with caveats that fell outside the reality we are living in. Tom is deploying an extreme amount of wishful thinking based on reports by people that thus far have been shown to either misrepresent or misunderstand facts or the legal system.

Like the latest NV lawsuit. It’s asking that the results be overturned based on specs on signature machines. There is every indication that processes are in place to deal with mistakes by these machines, there isn’t an indication that any mistakes would turn the result for Trump but yet, they are asking to disenfranchise those voters. Time and again the courts have shown that in reality, the enfranchisement of voters matters and that results don’t get overturned because maybe something might have happened.

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« Reply #6969 on: November 18, 2020, 02:10:13 PM »
Especially when we have an entire political party dedicated to doing anything to keep in power.
It'd be crazy if there were two of those...

Yeah, that would really be awful.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #6970 on: November 18, 2020, 02:29:40 PM »


Y'all want to be careful about this, America.
A lame duck President who can't accept the reality that he lost the election firing people who dared to state the reality and not buy into Trump's baseless conspiracy theories.
He's a wannabe dictator. I think he's picked the wrong country to try it in but it's potentially dangerous stuff.

The scary thing is thinking about someone who's actually competent trying to do what Trump did this year. He probably isn't going to succeed but that doesn't mean the next guy won't. Especially when we have an entire political party dedicated to doing anything to keep in power.

My favorite part of this is that he just blabbed it on twitter.  Like we're supposed to be impressed by this.

"oh he's firing anyone who says Biden is president election.  What a strong and not totally insane thing to do.  I definitely feel better about him trying to overturn the will of the people here."

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« Reply #6971 on: November 18, 2020, 04:27:30 PM »
You are giving us selective bias, pointing to things which may have been dismissed because they were trying to get the state to concede on an interpretation of law.
Sorry about that.
I would point to things which haven't been dismissed, but there aren't any.

This is the crux of the problem with Tom’s assertions. The one legal expert he cited as supporting his notion that these lawsuits are credible did so with caveats that fell outside the reality we are living in. Tom is deploying an extreme amount of wishful thinking based on reports by people that thus far have been shown to either misrepresent or misunderstand facts or the legal system.

Like the latest NV lawsuit. It’s asking that the results be overturned based on specs on signature machines. There is every indication that processes are in place to deal with mistakes by these machines, there isn’t an indication that any mistakes would turn the result for Trump but yet, they are asking to disenfranchise those voters. Time and again the courts have shown that in reality, the enfranchisement of voters matters and that results don’t get overturned because maybe something might have happened.
Yes. Unfortunately for Trump, and Tom I guess, you can claim what you like on Twitter (although they are increasingly flagging Trump's Tweets as 'fake news'). His team can spout on places like NewsMax and other sympathetic networks and continue to make baseless claims of fraud. And Tom can Google furiously and post links to various sources which he thinks back up Trump's conspiracy theories.
But when you get into court...they're going to want to see some evidence. They deal in facts.
And it doesn't matter how much evidence they say they have, it doesn't matter about their 234 pages of affidavits. When those affidavits are things like "A large man was wearing a BLM T-Shirt and I found him intimidating" or "I saw someone roll their eyes at a vote cast for Trump" or "I saw some military ballots and they were for Biden" - which are real examples - then you're not going to get very far in court. Because none of those things are evidence of widespread fraud. Neither are mismatches in counts which are almost all down to human error and happen in every election. None of the discrepancies are anywhere near enough to change the end result.

Trump's 1 for 25 right now - and the case they won was one where the deadline for providing ID was extended and the court agreed that the person who made that decision overstepped her authority. But it made no difference to the end result in that area either. All the other cases have been thrown out, in some the judge barely disguising their frustration at Trump's team for wasting the court's time.

And yet...Tom continues to believe there was widespread fraud as do many of Republicans. And it's clear how this is going to play out.
Trump's cases will continue to be thrown out of court. Biden will win the Electoral College and will become President.
Trump will continue to claim to his dying day that he was the real winner and was robbed, without providing any evidence.
And the weird thing is many people will continue to believe him.
Because this is how conspiracy theories work. No matter that the courts keep throwing out his cases for lack of evidence - that just becomes part of the conspiracy, "they" are supressing the evidence.
It's cognitive dissonance 101.
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« Reply #6972 on: November 18, 2020, 07:23:41 PM »
When you toss the mail in envelope which has the signature that can be verified before the other parties get a crack at seeing the fraud. It's assumed fraud and a conspiracy because dems are evil cheats and losers. Trump was the only landslide the rest was lazy peeps looking for a socialist handout again. Give them their vaccine and hurry the culling up.
What kind of person would devote endless hours posting scientific facts trying to correct the few retards who believe in the FE? I slay shitty little demons.

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« Reply #6973 on: November 18, 2020, 07:42:56 PM »
When you toss the mail in envelope which has the signature that can be verified before the other parties get a crack at seeing the fraud. It's assumed fraud and a conspiracy because dems are evil cheats and losers. Trump was the only landslide the rest was lazy peeps looking for a socialist handout again. Give them their vaccine and hurry the culling up.
Two days ago you believed one of the lies about this. It was pointed out to you. You admitted you’d been misled. Trump’s cases continue to get thrown out of court - the place where they actually look at the evidence and facts.
Why do you continue to believe the lies?
As I said, look up false prophets.
By their fruits...
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Re: Trump
« Reply #6974 on: November 18, 2020, 08:31:58 PM »
Here are your democrat heroes threatening the children of Wayne County, Michigan, elections officials to get them to certify the election: https://mobile.twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1328969920357535744?s=19

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MI Senate President Pro Tempore: "This afternoon, I joined my colleagues in calling for a full, independent audit of the recent election prior to the certification of results. We have seen a number of allegations that range from outright fraud, if true, to terrible mistakes that need to be corrected."



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« Reply #6976 on: November 18, 2020, 09:29:27 PM »
And yet, every time these things get to a court - you know, a place where they consider evidence and facts and not just Tweets and heresay, the cases keep getting thrown out. Weird, isn't it? ???

I guess if it would make you feel better we could give Trump Georgia, that still leaves Biden on 290 which is plenty.
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« Reply #6977 on: November 18, 2020, 09:37:48 PM »
Here are your democrat heroes threatening the children of Wayne County, Michigan, elections officials to get them to certify the election: https://mobile.twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1328969920357535744?s=19
Ok, you're gonna have to help me here.  I watched the very short clip and he made no threats.  At all.  In fact, it cuts off mid sentence, which makes me feel weird.  (Also his mouth movements don't match but that could just be the feed quality).


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I read through some of the sworn statements.
Sounds like a bunch of people who don't know how things worked or cried wolf on things that they didn't know.  "OMG!  Suitcases with suran wrap around them!  Must be Democrat ballots!"
The conviction will get overturned on appeal.


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« Reply #6979 on: November 18, 2020, 10:00:38 PM »
Here are your democrat heroes threatening the children of Wayne County, Michigan, elections officials to get them to certify the election: https://mobile.twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1328969920357535744?s=19

I didn't catch the threat.
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MI Senate President Pro Tempore: "This afternoon, I joined my colleagues in calling for a full, independent audit of the recent election prior to the certification of results. We have seen a number of allegations that range from outright fraud, if true, to terrible mistakes that need to be corrected."





So 10 Repubs (out of 80) signed a letter? And that is supposed to mean or do what?