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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Have a video for you guys

« on: December 22, 2020, 06:02:09 AM »

As your aircraft climbed, you were simply able to overcome the limitations of your vision. Please refer to Earth Not a Globe, Chapter 14: https://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm

"At these times it appears close to the horizon where the density of the air differs greatly. The air near the ground is denser than the layer of air just above it, and the layer of air above that is less dense still, and so on upwards until the Earth's atmosphere peters out at some 400 km. Now consider what happens when the Sun is setting. When the Sun is at the horizon, light from the top of the disc is going through the air at a different angle than that from the lower part. So the rays are bent by different amounts before they reach the observer's eye."

And more specific to your particular line of enquiry:

"Those who believe that the earth is a globe have often sought to prove it to be so by quoting the fact that when the ship's hull has disappeared, if an observer ascends to a higher position the hull again becomes visible. But this, is logically premature; such a result arises simply from the fact that on raising his position the eye-line recedes further over the water before it forms the angle of one minute of a degree, and this includes and brings back the hull within the vanishing point."

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 17, 2020, 01:32:58 AM »

The initial question was related to the curvature seen in the initial video, and how that could be explained by a proponent FE. My contention was that the OP presumed that the validity of the video was not in question. But as I don't find the video in question to be valid, the apparent shape of the earth shown in a fake video is largely irrelevant.

This topic has since between widened to now say 'what are the motivations for faking a video like this' - which is an entirely different topic.

As you've said, there's very little to discuss. I don't think what is being shown in this particular video is real, and I'm not interested in endlessly speculating as to why SpaceX would produce it.

I think we're done here.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 17, 2020, 12:40:47 AM »

The basis of why this would be faked isn't the topic of this discussion. Perhaps make a topic around the purpose of faking 'space' missions? That might yield some of the answers you're looking for.

I got 92%.

Actually, the topic of the discussion is in the OP: The curvature of the earth clearly visible...flat surfaces of the ISS are also visible...no lens distortion...how explained by FET?

Is your explanation: The video is fake therefore the ISS and the curve seen are fake?

My explanation would be closer to 'if the video is fake, then discussing any specific detail within it is irrelevant.' Like discussing how 'realistic' Star Wars is.

The discussion parameters have been changed. The OP would rather discuss the motives behind faking a space video, rather than its legitimacy. I imagine the answer is fairly simple... 'to make people think that the space video - and everything contained within it - is real.' To what end? Speculation: to further the narrative that we are conducting space missions.

But unfortunately, we're no longer discussing a specific video, but instead we're dealing with hypothetical motives of faking media. I'd have preferred the OP to create a new thread for people to speculate the motives of SpaceX in, and I'd have decided if I wanted to participate.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 16, 2020, 09:38:00 PM »

The basis of why this would be faked isn't the topic of this discussion. Perhaps make a topic around the purpose of faking 'space' missions? That might yield some of the answers you're looking for.

I got 92%.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 16, 2020, 11:28:19 AM »

Adding that not only does it look fake to me

So what's your reference frame here? You say it "looks fake". Based on what?
What experience of seeing space ships docks with other space ships do you have which could mean you can accurately assess this?
The only other experience you can possibly have are Hollywood films which actually are fake.
So other than a vague assertion that it "looks fake", which is entirely subjective and not based on much I'm not sure what you're arguing here.

You're correct - we have 'actual' fakes (Hollywood movies) - which look like the video posted by the OP. Hollywood movies actually look better. So there's one reference frame.

What's yours, based on your experience of seeing space ships dock with other spaceships?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 16, 2020, 12:40:41 AM »

Honestly, this looks pretty fake. Looks like a model being suspended over a moving background. We don't see it dock either, which is a bit suspicious.

Why is the fact you don't see it dock suspicious? You've just declared the whole thing a model (without evidence) so that would have been easy to fake.

Isn't it suspicious that it fades out just before the crucial moment? Perhaps not for you. It is for me.

Edited for Twitter. The whole thing is on YouTube

Did you mean to share this video? It's different to the original one we're discussing.

You had an issue with the original time lapse video not showing the docking. The video Tumeni just posted is the full approach and shows the docking as requested, non-time lapse, of the same mission. Jump to about 2:15:28 to see the docking event.

It's a completely different video... If you'd like to discuss the issues with this one, then that's fine. A new thread perhaps?

Also, I didn't 'request' a video of docking. I simply stated that it was suspicious that in the video we're discussing (which looks off to me) that on top of it looking like a model suspending over a moving background, the additional fact that we don't see the docking is suspicious. Bearing in mind that the point of the original video was that it was a single, uncut timelapse of a docking.

Your impression was incorrect of the original video. The original video was not intended as a single, uncut timelapse of a docking. It is a time lapse titled, "Time-lapse of Dragon on approach – two Dragons now docked to the @space_station" - A time lapse video of the 'approach', not the docking, hence the title. Why it matters that you desire the 'docking' part, I don't know, when that is not what the video is and stated as such. The second 'different' video is of the same mission, just not a time lapse, and it shows the docking, which for some reason you seemed to want to see.

If everything still seems suspicious and fake to you, then I guess that's just what it seems to you. I'm not sure what there really is to discuss.

Very well - the original video never claimed to show the docking. However, it remains suspicious to me that it doesn't. I didn't 'want to see it'. The original premise of this topic was - 'look, an uncut timelapse of an approach to the ISS; how can that be explained?'

I explained it. Adding that not only does it look fake to me, the additional fact that we do not see the docking procedure adds another question mark in my mind.

If you don't want to discuss further, then that's fine. Take care.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 15, 2020, 11:39:54 PM »

Honestly, this looks pretty fake. Looks like a model being suspended over a moving background. We don't see it dock either, which is a bit suspicious.

Why is the fact you don't see it dock suspicious? You've just declared the whole thing a model (without evidence) so that would have been easy to fake.

Isn't it suspicious that it fades out just before the crucial moment? Perhaps not for you. It is for me.

Edited for Twitter. The whole thing is on YouTube

Did you mean to share this video? It's different to the original one we're discussing.

You had an issue with the original time lapse video not showing the docking. The video Tumeni just posted is the full approach and shows the docking as requested, non-time lapse, of the same mission. Jump to about 2:15:28 to see the docking event.

It's a completely different video... If you'd like to discuss the issues with this one, then that's fine. A new thread perhaps?

Also, I didn't 'request' a video of docking. I simply stated that it was suspicious that in the video we're discussing (which looks off to me) that on top of it looking like a model suspending over a moving background, the additional fact that we don't see the docking is suspicious. Bearing in mind that the point of the original video was that it was a single, uncut timelapse of a docking.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: space balloon test near the south pole?

« on: December 15, 2020, 10:31:47 PM »

This is a great idea; I'd suggest you give it a go first and share your results.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why the round earth hoax?

« on: December 15, 2020, 10:24:55 PM »

I'm sure many of those personal achievements you're striving for - however noble - are formed on the basis of how you see your place in the universe.

But let's hypothetically say that it became clear that the FE theory was correct, and the Earth held a vastly more important place in the universe as compared to the RE model of relative insignificance, how do you think that would change the conversation on topics such as climate change, conflict, or any number of other issues facing society?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 15, 2020, 10:19:45 PM »

Honestly, this looks pretty fake. Looks like a model being suspended over a moving background. We don't see it dock either, which is a bit suspicious.

Why is the fact you don't see it dock suspicious? You've just declared the whole thing a model (without evidence) so that would have been easy to fake.

Isn't it suspicious that it fades out just before the crucial moment? Perhaps not for you. It is for me.

Edited for Twitter. The whole thing is on YouTube

Did you mean to share this video? It's different to the original one we're discussing.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 15, 2020, 10:52:08 AM »

Honestly, this looks pretty fake. Looks like a model being suspended over a moving background. We don't see it dock either, which is a bit suspicious.

Why is the fact you don't see it dock suspicious? You've just declared the whole thing a model (without evidence) so that would have been easy to fake.

Isn't it suspicious that it fades out just before the crucial moment? Perhaps not for you. It is for me.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why the round earth hoax?

« on: December 15, 2020, 03:16:16 AM »

I'm curious, how does (should?) knowing the earth is flat and were more important shape (y)our worldview?

If you're genuinely curious, then ask yourself the same question. If you were to discover that Earth - and by extension, you - were the centre of the universe - would that change your worldview?

And I suppose the bigger question then is: would that worldview be harder to keep in line? Would a certain agenda be harder to enforce? If so, there's one potential reason for the round-earth hoax (to answer the original question).

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why the round earth hoax?

« on: December 15, 2020, 02:48:49 AM »

The round-earth position has major implications on the way we live.

At present, we are told we're a short-lived species, living on a minuscule ball of rock hurtling through an unfathomably massive galaxy - in an unfathomably massive universe - and that all of the answers regarding the formation of this improbably vast expanse are 'out there' to be discovered, maybe, by sending tiny probes to far off asteroids. etc.

Or put another way, 'you're insignificant, really, in the grand scheme of things.'

Alternatively, we're not on a small lump of rock, the solar system is local, the Earth is special, and we're more important than a fleeting moment in the history of the planet.

I reckon the round-earth position is easier to market to. Life is short. So buy Starbucks; get into debt; fall in line.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 15, 2020, 02:22:21 AM »

Do these look like models?

Yes.

Perhaps you could share what, in your opinion, a shuttle docking should look like?

Having never seen it, it'd be pure speculation. I'm simply pointing out that the videos presented above look suspicious to me, for aforementioned reasons. I suppose in answer to your question as to what it should look like... 'not suspicious'... I suppose.

Do these look like models?

Yes.

Do these look like models too?

Yes - they look like models; but it's a good example of what can be done!

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 14, 2020, 11:48:57 PM »

Do these look like models?

Yes.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 14, 2020, 10:15:25 PM »

Honestly, this looks pretty fake. Looks like a model being suspended over a moving background. We don't see it dock either, which is a bit suspicious.

Perhaps you could explain further why one video, of one flight, out of a 60-year-plus, well-documented history of space flight, is "suspicious" ... ?

I believe I summed up my thoughts about it in my initial post. The video looks like a model superimposed over a moving image. And that coupled with the fact once we get very close to the object, the video cuts.

I didn't say anything about '60-year-plus, well-documented history' videos - though if you'd like to present something for me to take a look at, I'd be more than happy to give you my thoughts.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A few questions

« on: December 14, 2020, 04:30:21 AM »

1. https://wiki.tfes.org/Aurora
2. https://wiki.tfes.org/Stars
3. https://wiki.tfes.org/Phases_of_the_Moon

You ask not to be directed to the wiki, but it contains all the answers you've asked for. If you have specific issues with the information, perhaps raise them?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Time-lapse of SpaceX dragon capsule docking with ISS

« on: December 14, 2020, 04:25:30 AM »

Honestly, this looks pretty fake. Looks like a model being suspended over a moving background. We don't see it dock either, which is a bit suspicious.