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« Reply #4980 on: March 14, 2020, 08:46:23 PM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/fed-to-pump-more-than-500-billion-into-short-term-bank-funding-expand-types-of-security-purchases.html

For a country that hates socialism they certainly seem to jump in to it feet first when it involves financial markets.

But let’s not expand Medicaid to get help to people who need it.
Can you point specifically to who needs it?

People who would end up with medical debt if they were hospitalized or lose time to sickness they cannot afford.

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And if you are for helping, then why not help everybody?

I am for universal medical coverage.  The US just tossed more than enough cash at the banking system to adequately cover the basic needs of every US citizen for a month, not just medical coverage, but enough to cover room and board.  Socialism for banks but not for citizens is a particular brand of messed up.

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« Reply #4981 on: March 14, 2020, 09:19:04 PM »
Can you point specifically to who needs it?

FFS, anyone who needs medical treatment and CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT....

Why does this need to be clarified for you?
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« Reply #4982 on: March 15, 2020, 02:00:07 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/politics/trump-press-conference-coronavirus/index.html

Trump claims that he was tested on Friday night, when his doctor wrote in a memo released just before midnight on Friday that he didn't need to be tested. Trump is lying. He hasn't been tested, he has no intention of being tested, and he'll probably order his doctors to back him up and claim once again that Trump is in good health, perfect health, truly a golden god in the prime of life. If they won't do that, he'll fire them, and the Republicans in Congress will support him, as usual.
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« Reply #4983 on: March 16, 2020, 11:04:26 AM »
Can you point specifically to who needs it?

People who would end up with medical debt if they were hospitalized or lose time to sickness they cannot afford.
Can you point specifically to who needs it?

FFS, anyone who needs medical treatment and CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT....

Why does this need to be clarified for you?
Because you guys keep writing about the need for this stuff, but seem to not have the actual specifics about WHO is involved.

How many of these people exist in the US?

Not to mention the STELLAR GOVERNMENT RECORD over the years at actually fixing problems or caring for its populace...ANY GOVERNMENT...

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« Reply #4984 on: March 16, 2020, 12:51:02 PM »
Because you guys keep writing about the STELLAR GOVERNMENT RECORD over the years at actually fixing problems or caring for its populace, but seem to not have the actual specifics about what STELLAR GOVERNMENT RECORD over the years at actually fixing problems or caring for its populace actually is.

How many people have they actually helped?

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« Reply #4985 on: March 16, 2020, 09:02:16 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/politics/trump-press-conference-coronavirus/index.html

Trump claims that he was tested on Friday night, when his doctor wrote in a memo released just before midnight on Friday that he didn't need to be tested. Trump is lying. He hasn't been tested, he has no intention of being tested, and he'll probably order his doctors to back him up and claim once again that Trump is in good health, perfect health, truly a golden god in the prime of life. If they won't do that, he'll fire them, and the Republicans in Congress will support him, as usual.

Of course Trump is lying. It’s pretty much all he does. And now we are starting to see that there are serious consequences when you have a pathological liar and incompetent in the White House

The whole timeline is laid out here of Trump repeatedly not taking action or downplaying the seriousness of this pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/opinion/trump-coronavirus.html

People are going to die because of him. And the hardcore Trump fans will keep waving their little Stars and Stripes in their MAGA hats and will deny he did anything wrong even when the evidence is in front of their noses.
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« Reply #4986 on: March 17, 2020, 12:12:58 AM »
Because you guys keep writing about the need for this stuff, but seem to not have the actual specifics about WHO is involved.

How many of these people exist in the US?

Millions. What do you want? Names? Numbers? Cities most affected? States most affected?

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Alicia suffers from Multiple Sclerosis and is uninsured. She has two children (ages 10 & 12) who take care of her at home. She is confined to a wheelchair and can't afford home care.

44 million Americans are uninsured, and eight out of ten of these are workers or their dependents. Why is being uninsured a problem?

About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. This means that nearly one-third of Americans face each day without the security of knowing that, if and when they need it, medical care is available to them and their families.


(https://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html)

44+38 = 82 million.

Population is, I believe, total 240 million or so, so that is (82 divided by 240) = 35% of the country with no or inadequate health insurance.

35%.
 
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« Reply #4987 on: March 17, 2020, 06:07:35 AM »
You're off by about 100 million.

Its about 320 million in America.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #4988 on: March 17, 2020, 09:35:01 AM »
You're off by about 100 million. Its about 320 million in America.

OK, that's fine. 82/320 = approx 25%, not 35%
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4989 on: March 17, 2020, 10:59:10 AM »
Because you guys keep writing about the STELLAR GOVERNMENT RECORD over the years at actually fixing problems or caring for its populace, but seem to not have the actual specifics about what STELLAR GOVERNMENT RECORD over the years at actually fixing problems or caring for its populace actually is.

How many people have they actually helped?
You have seen me here writing about the stellar government record?

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« Reply #4990 on: March 17, 2020, 11:03:02 AM »
Because you guys keep writing about the need for this stuff, but seem to not have the actual specifics about WHO is involved.

How many of these people exist in the US?

Millions. What do you want? Names? Numbers? Cities most affected? States most affected?

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Alicia suffers from Multiple Sclerosis and is uninsured. She has two children (ages 10 & 12) who take care of her at home. She is confined to a wheelchair and can't afford home care.

44 million Americans are uninsured, and eight out of ten of these are workers or their dependents. Why is being uninsured a problem?

About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. This means that nearly one-third of Americans face each day without the security of knowing that, if and when they need it, medical care is available to them and their families.


(https://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html)

44+38 = 82 million.

Population is, I believe, total 240 million or so, so that is (82 divided by 240) = 35% of the country with no or inadequate health insurance.

35%.
Yeah, those numbers are different than the census.

Regardless, there is no requirement for people to be insured.

A lot of people I know go without it by choice.

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« Reply #4991 on: March 17, 2020, 12:09:45 PM »
Regardless, there is no requirement for people to be insured.

A lot of people I know go without it by choice.

So what? Your question was "how many" in the country, and I told you (approximately).

What happens in your close circle is not relevant to this
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« Reply #4992 on: March 17, 2020, 12:34:47 PM »
Regardless, there is no requirement for people to be insured.

A lot of people I know go without it by choice.

So what? Your question was "how many" in the country, and I told you (approximately).

What happens in your close circle is not relevant to this
You told me a number...

A highly doubtful number...

Kinda matches up with the reported number of illegal immigrants in the country.

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« Reply #4993 on: March 17, 2020, 01:39:23 PM »
Regardless, there is no requirement for people to be insured.

A lot of people I know go without it by choice.

So what? Your question was "how many" in the country, and I told you (approximately).

What happens in your close circle is not relevant to this
You told me a number...

A highly doubtful number...

Kinda matches up with the reported number of illegal immigrants in the country.

I gave you an approximation, which is that between 25 and 35% of the country have NO or INADEQUATE health insurance. They are unable to pay for their healthcare, and therefore must go without healthcare.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4994 on: March 17, 2020, 03:29:30 PM »
Current estimates of illegals in America is about 12 Million, which is about 4% of the population.
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« Reply #4995 on: March 18, 2020, 10:51:51 AM »
Current estimates of illegals in America is about 12 Million, which is about 4% of the population.
The total foreign born population is right around the number of those without health care.

And as far illegal immigrants, I have seen numbers as 35 million from some sources.

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« Reply #4996 on: March 18, 2020, 11:31:15 AM »
Why count foreign born as uninsured?  Many may be US citizens with jobs.

Also, can you post those sources?  35 Million is quite high and I'd be interested in seeing how they came to that number.
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« Reply #4997 on: March 18, 2020, 12:25:33 PM »
Why count foreign born as uninsured?  Many may be US citizens with jobs.

Also, can you post those sources?  35 Million is quite high and I'd be interested in seeing how they came to that number.
Here is the latest figure I saw for uninsured:

"In 2018, the number of people in the United States without health insurance rose to 27.5 million, up from 25.6 million in 2017. The uninsured rate jumped from 7.9 percent in 2017 to 8.5 percent in 2018. It was the first year-to-year increase in uninsured rates since 2008 and 2009."

Please note, this does NOT identify the number as being legal citizens.

If I remember correctly, I believe the source for my figure was Tucker Carlson, but I could be wrong.

I also think I cited the source here in the thread, so I will check.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4998 on: March 18, 2020, 11:30:45 PM »

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4999 on: March 18, 2020, 11:53:56 PM »
Will the socialism haters take the handout is the question?