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Ballistic Missiles
« on: April 15, 2018, 09:40:36 AM »
It's well-known that ballistic missiles burn their fuel at launch and then follow a mostly ballistic trajectory, making small corrections to land precisely at their targets.
It's also well-known that ballistic missiles have extremely long ranges (Hwasong-15 has >13,000km, but this has never been explicitly tested). Otherwise Russia and the US wouldn't be worried about their land-based silos.
I'm sure we can agree that the downward acceleration due to gravity on Earth is somewhere between 7 m/s^2 and 20 m/s^2 (sad, right?).

Well, if you plug these numbers into the elementary ballistic trajectory calculations, you find these missiles physically have to be able to reach incredibly high altitudes (North Korea claimed theirs reached 4500 km). So why do you say they can't? If you don't say that they can't, then what makes you think that NASA and all of the world's militaries are mistaken on their round Earth belief? Surely they have the means to get a camera up there... Also the inertial navigation systems on some of those ballistic missiles use Schuler tuning, which on a Flat Earth shouldn't work. So why does it? Do you really think mortal enemies trying to kill each other wouldn't have realized their obvious mistake?
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Re: Ballistic Missiles
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2018, 11:16:10 AM »
It's well-known that ballistic missiles burn their fuel at launch and then follow a mostly ballistic trajectory, making small corrections to land precisely at their targets.
It's also well-known that ballistic missiles have extremely long ranges (Hwasong-15 has >13,000km, but this has never been explicitly tested). Otherwise Russia and the US wouldn't be worried about their land-based silos.
I'm sure we can agree that the downward acceleration due to gravity on Earth is somewhere between 7 m/s^2 and 20 m/s^2 (sad, right?).

Well, if you plug these numbers into the elementary ballistic trajectory calculations, you find these missiles physically have to be able to reach incredibly high altitudes (North Korea claimed theirs reached 4500 km). So why do you say they can't? If you don't say that they can't, then what makes you think that NASA and all of the world's militaries are mistaken on their round Earth belief? Surely they have the means to get a camera up there... Also the inertial navigation systems on some of those ballistic missiles use Schuler tuning, which on a Flat Earth shouldn't work. So why does it? Do you really think mortal enemies trying to kill each other wouldn't have realized their obvious mistake?

I predict that the FES will tell you that ballistic missile trajectories are faked, the danger is faked and they will ask you if you've actually seen a ballistic missile reaching high altitudes (because everybody knows that ballistic missiles fall into the sea!).
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Re: Ballistic Missiles
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 02:49:22 AM »
But you can't fake it! These missiles have been test-fired. The USA has intercepted one of its own ballistic missiles launched from Vandenberg that landed near Kwajalein Atoll. For a missile to get that far (using a simplistic calculation neglecting launch burn time and air resistance), it would have to reach a speed of over 8000 m/s, which is plenty enough to get very high if you launch it straight up.

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Re: Ballistic Missiles
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 03:49:52 AM »
But you can't fake it! These missiles have been test-fired. The USA has intercepted one of its own ballistic missiles launched from Vandenberg that landed near Kwajalein Atoll. For a missile to get that far (using a simplistic calculation neglecting launch burn time and air resistance), it would have to reach a speed of over 8000 m/s, which is plenty enough to get very high if you launch it straight up.

Ahhhh, but can you prove that the missile Landed at Kwajalein atoll? Can you prove the distance from said atoll to where it was launched from? Was it actually shot down at all?

Any data that is provided by the military is suspect, and not to be believed.

All questions you will be asked to prove in order for the statements not to be rejected.

Just thought i might mention it so you can get your research in and at hand................

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Re: Ballistic Missiles
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2018, 06:35:29 AM »
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So why do you say they can't? If you don't say that they can't, then what makes you think that NASA and all of the world's militaries are mistaken on their round Earth belief?

Yes, they would know if their technology didn't work. It doesn't follow that they would know the reason why, though.

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Re: Ballistic Missiles
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2018, 01:52:41 AM »
It's been demonstrated to work. There's no way to get something from Vandenberg to Kwajalein Atoll ballistically without getting a minimum amount of launch speed. If you can attain that speed, just by pointing the rocket straight up you'll get a lot of altitude... high enough to see that the Earth is round.

As for the proof, there are plenty of photographs of the launches & landings. Of course, you could always claim that they aren't causally related, and the whole thing is made to fake the working of rocket technology.

Of course, the government was also "in" on the plot to blow up the barracks at Dhahran and sneak some missiles into the air over Saudi Arabia and make them look like they were launched from Yemen! That's why they were intercepted!

And the V-2 most definitely was FAKE NEWS. The UK had absolutely nothing to worry about. They were in collusion with the Germans to convince everyone that rockets actually worked (even though they didn't have any...).

Let's not forget the Iran-Iraq war. Wow! Two mortal enemies collaborating to help the USA maintain that its rocket technology works!

And then NASA...
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The purpose of NASA is to fake the concept of space travel to further America's militaristic dominance of space. That was the purpose of NASA's creation from the very start: To put ICBMs and other weapons into space (or at least appear to). The motto "Scientific exploration of new frontiers for all mankind" was nothing more than a front.

Even if their ICBMs didn't work, they still were concerned about making them look like they worked? Please remind me why again?

I know the resolution to all of these problems! There is a dome above the Earth that stops all the rockets...
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Re: Ballistic Missiles
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2018, 12:35:32 PM »
I also would like to provide the example of the cold war. 
1.  If America wanted to look more powerful than everyone else, why did we act like the USSR was scary?  If we knew they didn't work, why did we get scared about them?  Why did we take the time to make a treaty if we had nothing to fear?
2.  Why would NASA lie about this?  This wouldn't make their lives easier.  It would make them so much harder.  So why would they do this?

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Re: Ballistic Missiles
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2018, 01:28:29 PM »
I also would like to provide the example of the cold war. 
1.  If America wanted to look more powerful than everyone else, why did we act like the USSR was scary?  If we knew they didn't work, why did we get scared about them?  Why did we take the time to make a treaty if we had nothing to fear?
2.  Why would NASA lie about this?  This wouldn't make their lives easier.  It would make them so much harder.  So why would they do this?

Apparently to keep them in power(?) not sure how that works, but it is in the wiki.

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