Re: Is Mars rotating faster?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2025, 04:46:44 PM »
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If I had to guess, I'd say it looks just slightly past 45deg. I could be underestimating and it could be closer to 60

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The rotation is a bit quicker than I'd expect but maybe there's something we're not taking in to account.

The angle featured in the video on the rotation of Mars is at least 60 degrees, where even 46 degrees could not be explained at all.

What is the connection between Mars and planet Vulcan? Mars (Marduk) had fought with Pairika (Mus Parik) before, according to the astronomical observations made long ago.

The fact that now we can see Garuda (Vulcan/Pairika) in broad daylight in the sky means that there is something affecting the entire planetary system, and that something is referring to the first effects of the galactic wave (cosmic rays) which is beginning to manifest itself (just like in the past, that is why I did include those references to the Crab nebula).

Nothing else can explain the acceleration of the rotation of Mars.


ASTRONOMICAL OBSERVATIONS OF PLANET GARUDA

Le Verrier, 1859:

https://armaghplanet.com/vulcan-the-solar-systems-ghost-planet.html

Lescarbault, 1959

Russell, 1860

(1876). An Intra-Mercurial Planet. Nature, 14(362):505

Covington, 1860

Lummis, 1862

Coumbary, 1865

Swift and Watson, 1878:

https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1953ASPL....6..291E&defaultprint=YES&filetype=.pdf

In fact, Swift and Watson (two oustanding American observational astronomers) had declared that they had seen TWO intra-mercurial planets (that's Garuda and its main satellite).

Then, after 1882, there were no more astronomical observations.

In a paper published just three days ago, Michael Lund of CalTech proposes that Garuda (Vulcan) had changed its orbit following the interaction with the great comet of 1882 and also comet Wells (1882):

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.20281.pdf

"Simply put, Vulcan is no longer on the orbit that it was as of the middle of the 19th century, but is on an inclined orbit that would have placed it close to the sun, but outside of the narrow band alignedwith the sun’s equator that Campbell (1909) focused on."

"The first possibility, and the more straight forward one, is that Vulcan underwent a close gravitational interaction that significantly changed its orbit somewhere between
roughly 1880 and 1900."

"This provides the alternative possibility that through the von Zeipel-Lidov-Kozai mechanism, Mercury was able to significantly excite the orbital inclination of Vulcan, resulting in Vulcan rarely being in line with the sun’s equator and outside the region that intramercurial planet searches had deliberately targeted."

He also notes that Einstein did not explain "the observations that had been made of Vulcan".

In fact, Le Verrier's original calculations stand correct, since the equations provided by GTR cannot be used to analyze dynamical systems:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2194405#msg2194405

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg769750#msg769750

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2194825#msg2194825

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2196454#msg2196454

Then, starting about 2003, Garuda became active again and numerous photographs and videos were published depicting the FireBird next to the Sun.

Ancient astronomical text: Muspar (a fiery comet that loiters around the sun).


Definitely the acceleration of the rotation of Mars is related to the direct astronomical observations of planet Vulcan.


Re: Is Mars rotating faster?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2025, 05:37:15 PM »

The angle featured in the video on the rotation of Mars is at least 60 degrees, where even 46 degrees could not be explained at all.


Possibly, you'd have to show your work to demonstrate that. It's by no means obvious. Do you have any calculations? How do you know it's at least 60 degrees?
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Re: Is Mars rotating faster?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2025, 06:21:52 PM »
Okay, I've done a more thorough visual analysis now.

Here's what a sphere rotated 45 degrees really looks like.



The two grey diamonds - one of them is looking straight at the camera, the other is where that diamond would end up after a 45-degree rotation of the sphere (I did this myself in blender, it's freely available and you can do it too).

Now, let's draw some pink dots where those grey diamonds are and overlay them on our Mars, so we can get a vantage on where the center of the sphere of mars is at the start of the clip, and try to compare it to where that point should be on mars at the end of the clip, IF mars had rotated 45 degrees.



So the first image gives us a landmark for the center of mars - just over that little upward hill of darkness. So if mars had rotated more than 45 degrees, the spot just over that hill of dark should be further to the right of the pink dot, since the pink dot is exactly a 45 degree rotation of that point. In fact it looks like that spot is actually slightly to the left of the pink dot, indicating a less-than-45 degree rotation of the sphere of mars.

So, I do not believe your account of this mars video. I think you eyeballed it and jumped the gun drastically on your interpretations. Your first eyeballing had it at a 90-degree rotation over 3 hours. When you found out that 90 degrees wasn't going to be believed, you latched onto the biggest number i said - 60 - not because you actually figured out it was turning 60 degrees, but because it was more believable than 90 and would work for your desired narrative.

It's not spinning 90. It's not spinning 60. It's only ALMOST spinning 45 degrees over three hours.

Re: Is Mars rotating faster?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2025, 07:22:29 PM »
Your tricks don't work with me.

Here is the video:

https://x.com/astroferg/status/1880672505326960964?t=8zcwcKVpYxfrRVyo7XU8yA&s=19

Look how much further that dark feature on the clouds of Mars is rotating BEYOND the spot on the image you have posted. You are missing at least 10-15 degrees right there.

In fact, your previous analysis will create more FE believers.

There are at least 60 degrees right there, perhaps even more, maybe 70 degrees or so.

I win.

Re: Is Mars rotating faster?
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2025, 08:03:00 PM »
Those are just words thrown around. Only a flat earther thinks they win with such low effort. You're demonstrating what a lot of intelligent people notice: that flat eathers are often too lazy to put in real work to demonstrate their ideas.

Demonstrate that it's more than 45 degrees. Don't just declare it's the case, being convincing takes more work than that

I'm also not tricking you, you can do the same analysis I did. Blender is a freely available software. There's no trick. I would love for you to verify my work.

Re: Is Mars rotating faster?
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2025, 08:19:30 PM »
You are done here.

Here are the images that you have posted just a while ago:

https://i.imgur.com/Yzq2Tbo.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Yzq2Tbo.jpeg

The next dark feature (right next to the dark element pinpointed with the pink dot) located to the right of the dark element (as we view the image) DISAPPEARS COMPLETELY IN THE VIDEO:

https://x.com/astroferg/status/1880672505326960964?t=8zcwcKVpYxfrRVyo7XU8yA&s=19

While it still can be seen in your image:

https://i.imgur.com/Yzq2Tbo.jpeg

Please explain to your readers why there is at a least a 60 degree rotation of Mars in three hours of time.


Re: Is Mars rotating faster?
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2025, 08:25:26 PM »
I really don't know what dark feature you're talking about. No dark feature I have been focusing on disappears. Can you take a screenshot and circle it? Words aren't enough - there are many dark and light spots in the image.

Re: Is Mars rotating faster?
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2025, 09:36:22 PM »
I think sandokhan may be making the mistake of interpreting the movement of surface features in a linear manner, as on a disc, rather than on a rotating 3-dimensional orb, and assessing the angles accordingly? 

The apparent distance travelled is, of course, proportional to the Sin of the angle rotated.  For instance, starting from the centre of the apparent disc, the first 30 degrees of rotation will move the point by Sin 30 = 0.5, or halfway to the edge.  In the case of 45 degrees the distance travelled will be Sin 45, or 0.7; almost 3/4 the distance centre-to-edge. 

The concept that winged angels and cosmic rays are accelerating planetary rotation speeds (which go unnoticed by mainstream science and millions of amateur astronomers), I would assess as somewhere between pseudo-science, alchemy and equine-poop. 

Re: Is Mars rotating faster?
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2025, 09:42:28 PM »
I think sandokhan may be making the mistake of interpreting the movement of surface features in a linear manner, as on a disc, rather than on a rotating 3-dimensional orb, and assessing the angles accordingly? 

I had the same thought, that's why I compared it to a 3d rotation in blender explicitly.

You're absolutely right though, rotation will, in a video, happen across many more pixels per degree when it starts from the center than what it starts near the right edge or left edge. I knew it had something to do with sine or cosine, I appreciate the clarity!

I don't expect to get a complete fulfilling analysis from sado, because for the most part these people aren't willing to put any actual effort into their own beliefs. It's ironic that the people who put the most effort into flat earth models are not flat eathers.

For example, I calculated the height of the celestial dome this week using generally accepted facts from celestial navigation. I don't see flat eathers doing that sort of thing very often.
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Re: Is Mars rotating faster?
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2025, 07:10:08 AM »
Could the apparent faster rotation of Mars be due to time-lapse effects or distortions caused by the telescope and camera setup?