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Re: Bible Proof
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2019, 01:46:58 AM »
All Around, gets it all WRONG. He or she never mentions what WIND is? Why? Well, because wind is Gods Spirit. So if you were God wouldn't you want to surround the circle of earth with your SPIRIT, evenly spaced so one can't escape it. What you end up with is a square over laid over the circle of the earth or 4 corners. John 3:8 (kjv) describes it. "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

Understanding the Word of God is so easy once one accepts the Gift of Salvation. Or you can listen to scientist which I have ZERO faith in.

This is a very interesting interpretation. The problem that I have with this is that it says the corners of the earth not the corners of the spirit of God. When we had these sort of debates in a bible group we would always look at the ancient Hebrew. Many times this give clarification to exactly what the words were most likely to have meant.


https://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c017.html



There are many ways in which God the Holy Spirit could have said corner. Any of the following Hebrew words could have been used:

Pinoh is used in reference to the cornerstone.

Paioh means “a geometric corner”

Ziovyoh means “right angle” or “corner”

Krnouth refers to a projecting corner.

Paamouth - If the Lord wanted to convey the idea of a square, four-cornered Earth, the Hebrew word paamouth could have been used. Paamouth means square.

Instead, the Holy Spirit selected the word kanaph, conveying the idea of extremity.

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Re: Bible Proof
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2019, 07:16:42 AM »
All Around, gets it all WRONG. He or she never mentions what WIND is? Why? Well, because wind is Gods Spirit. So if you were God wouldn't you want to surround the circle of earth with your SPIRIT, evenly spaced so one can't escape it. What you end up with is a square over laid over the circle of the earth or 4 corners. John 3:8 (kjv) describes it. "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

Understanding the Word of God is so easy once one accepts the Gift of Salvation. Or you can listen to scientist which I have ZERO faith in.

This is a very interesting interpretation. The problem that I have with this is that it says the corners of the earth not the corners of the spirit of God. When we had these sort of debates in a bible group we would always look at the ancient Hebrew. Many times this give clarification to exactly what the words were most likely to have meant.


https://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c017.html



There are many ways in which God the Holy Spirit could have said corner. Any of the following Hebrew words could have been used:

Pinoh is used in reference to the cornerstone.

Paioh means “a geometric corner”

Ziovyoh means “right angle” or “corner”

Krnouth refers to a projecting corner.

Paamouth - If the Lord wanted to convey the idea of a square, four-cornered Earth, the Hebrew word paamouth could have been used. Paamouth means square.

Instead, the Holy Spirit selected the word kanaph, conveying the idea of extremity.

You may be correct. Strong's Concordance index says that it primarily means 'extremity':

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/isaiah/11-12.htm

Not all of the versions of the Bible translate it as corners. New Living Translation translates Isaiah 11:12 as:

"He will raise a flag among the nations and assemble the exiles of Israel. He will gather the scattered people of Judah from the ends of the earth."
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Re: Bible Proof
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2019, 05:01:18 PM »


You may be correct. Strong's Concordance index says that it primarily means 'extremity':

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/isaiah/11-12.htm

Not all of the versions of the Bible translate it as corners. New Living Translation translates Isaiah 11:12 as:

"He will raise a flag among the nations and assemble the exiles of Israel. He will gather the scattered people of Judah from the ends of the earth."


When looking into an ancient book written in an ancient foreign language with the added complexity of it being considered the word of God it gives us humans a lot of room for personal interpretation in these kinds of things.

To add further confusion the ancient texts have been translated dozens of different ways by various people, kings, organizations throughout the years.

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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2019, 05:40:04 PM »
All Around, gets it all WRONG. He or she never mentions what WIND is? Why? Well, because wind is Gods Spirit. So if you were God wouldn't you want to surround the circle of earth with your SPIRIT, evenly spaced so one can't escape it. What you end up with is a square over laid over the circle of the earth or 4 corners. John 3:8 (kjv) describes it. "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

Understanding the Word of God is so easy once one accepts the Gift of Salvation. Or you can listen to scientist which I have ZERO faith in.

This is a very interesting interpretation. The problem that I have with this is that it says the corners of the earth not the corners of the spirit of God. When we had these sort of debates in a bible group we would always look at the ancient Hebrew. Many times this give clarification to exactly what the words were most likely to have meant.


https://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c017.html



There are many ways in which God the Holy Spirit could have said corner. Any of the following Hebrew words could have been used:

Pinoh is used in reference to the cornerstone.

Paioh means “a geometric corner”

Ziovyoh means “right angle” or “corner”

Krnouth refers to a projecting corner.

Paamouth - If the Lord wanted to convey the idea of a square, four-cornered Earth, the Hebrew word paamouth could have been used. Paamouth means square.

Instead, the Holy Spirit selected the word kanaph, conveying the idea of extremity.

You may be correct. Strong's Concordance index says that it primarily means 'extremity':

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/isaiah/11-12.htm

Not all of the versions of the Bible translate it as corners. New Living Translation translates Isaiah 11:12 as:

"He will raise a flag among the nations and assemble the exiles of Israel. He will gather the scattered people of Judah from the ends of the earth."
How is relying on someone else's interpreted translations any different from relying on scientists and their experiments? Why would you be ok taking someones translation of a religious book as acceptable information or reliable evidence of a flat earth?
Tom is wrong most of the time. Hardly big news, don't you think?

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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2019, 06:40:11 PM »
NLT is a translation, but Strong's Concordance is not a translation. It's an index which shows you how the word is used elsewhere.

From the Strong's Concordance Wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong%27s_Concordance

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The purpose of Strong's Concordance is not to provide content or commentary about the Bible, but to provide an index to the Bible. This allows the reader to find words where they appear in the Bible. This index allows a student of the Bible to re-find a phrase or passage previously studied. It also lets the reader directly compare how the same word may be used elsewhere in the Bible. In this way Strong provides an independent check against translations, and offers an opportunity for greater, and more technically accurate understanding of text.
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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2019, 06:47:54 PM »
NLT is a translation, but Strong's Concordance is not a translation. It's an index which shows you how the word is used elsewhere.

From the Strong's Concordance Wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong%27s_Concordance

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The purpose of Strong's Concordance is not to provide content or commentary about the Bible, but to provide an index to the Bible. This allows the reader to find words where they appear in the Bible. This index allows a student of the Bible to re-find a phrase or passage previously studied. It also lets the reader directly compare how the same word may be used elsewhere in the Bible. In this way Strong provides an independent check against translations, and offers an opportunity for greater, and more technically accurate understanding of text.

Isn't Strong's Concordance still based on a translation, in this case, KJV? Perhaps I don't fully understand the breadth and depth of a concordance.

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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2019, 01:49:28 PM »
NLT is a translation, but Strong's Concordance is not a translation. It's an index which shows you how the word is used elsewhere.

From the Strong's Concordance Wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong%27s_Concordance

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The purpose of Strong's Concordance is not to provide content or commentary about the Bible, but to provide an index to the Bible. This allows the reader to find words where they appear in the Bible. This index allows a student of the Bible to re-find a phrase or passage previously studied. It also lets the reader directly compare how the same word may be used elsewhere in the Bible. In this way Strong provides an independent check against translations, and offers an opportunity for greater, and more technically accurate understanding of text.

Isn't Strong's Concordance still based on a translation, in this case, KJV? Perhaps I don't fully understand the breadth and depth of a concordance.


Stack,

The bible was written in ancient hebrew/greek. Much like our language words could be spelled the same but have different definitions like the word "dove". It could be to jump into something head first like he dove into the bushes. It could also be a bird. Look at the dove flying above.

Our translations are peoples attempts and looking at these ancient Hebrew/greek words and looking at how they are used in verse/chapter they are in as well as how they have been used in other parts of the bible.