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Ron DeSantis is a shitbag
« on: October 01, 2022, 03:56:46 PM »
One of the leading contenders for the 2024 GOP Presidential nomination, Ron DeSantis, is requesting federal funds for hurricane relief. Relief sorely needed and granted without question by Biden. However, Ron DeSantis did not want the same aid to be extended to other states. Classic GOP policy making. Hurt others and help yourselves.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ron-desantis-hurricane-biden-florida-b2184613.html?utm_source=reddit.com
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Re: Ron DeSantis is a shitbag
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2022, 04:25:38 PM »
Yes, it is apparent that you continuously post things without taking 5 minutes into looking at the opposition. DeSantis was part of a group of congressmen who rejected the bill because it was not a fiscally appropriate emergency aid bill.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/17/us-rep-ron-desantis-defensive-after-disaster-vote/15825475007/

June 17, 2013 - ' In one of his first official acts, U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis voted against a bill to provide $9.7 billion in flood insurance aid for Hurricane Sandy victims.

"The problem with the Sandy package was, if you look at it, only 30 percent of it was going to be spent in the first two years," DeSantis said in an interview recently at his St. Augustine office. "It actually appropriated money out to 2020 and 2021, things that could not in any way be said to be emergency spending. It just was so much extraneous stuff."

...The opposition to the Sandy aid came from 67 Republicans, including DeSantis and Ted Yoho of Gainesville. Both DeSantis, a lawyer, and Yoho, a veterinarian, had strong support in their elections from tea party groups. They were the only two representatives from Florida to vote against the Sandy aid bill.

DeSantis said he would have supported a leaner bill.

"So what we tried to do, we wanted to do a package," he said. "It would have been a relief package that focused on immediate relief, not spending down the line that's not necessary. We thought that would have been a better way to go about it."

The bill allowed the Federal Emergency Management Agency to pay out claims to those who held federal flood insurance.

..."So, I never made the point of saying we shouldn't do anything," DeSantis said recently. "You also had the New York state government coming into Congress saying, 'Hey, look at all these buildings that got damaged.' And we asked, OK, what is insurance picking up on this? And they said, 'Well, we didn't insure them, we didn't think they'd ever be a problem.' So, in that situation, we want to help people, I think, as the last line of defense, but you don't want to basically reward them for not doing the responsible thing. So I think a lot of people who have looked at it have acknowledged that there was more spending in it than what needed to be done, and it was not an appropriate vehicle, with excessive spending and extraneous money. For example, they were refurbishing the Smithsonian, and there was highway spending and different things like that [in the plan]."

DeSantis said he doesn't always support the way Congress spends money.

"In Washington, the way it works is this: I can file a bill tomorrow, about whatever you want," he said. "You just tell me, I can spend money on this or that. But chances are, it's not going to go anywhere. So, what people look for are vehicles that are definitely going to move. We knew something was going to pass. So when you see that, people say 'Oh, I can add this or that,' and it kind of goes from there. We're just trying to change the philosophy and the way Washington operates." '
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2022, 05:45:25 PM »
They vote no but take the dough.

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Re: Ron DeSantis is a shitbag
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2022, 06:08:58 PM »
Yes, it is apparent that you continuously post things without taking 5 minutes into looking at the opposition. In 2013 he was part of a group of congressmen who rejected the bill because it was not a fiscally appropriate emergency aid bill.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/17/us-rep-ron-desantis-defensive-after-disaster-vote/15825475007/

June 17, 2013 - ' In one of his first official acts, U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis voted against a bill to provide $9.7 billion in flood insurance aid for Hurricane Sandy victims.

"The problem with the Sandy package was, if you look at it, only 30 percent of it was going to be spent in the first two years," DeSantis said in an interview recently at his St. Augustine office. "It actually appropriated money out to 2020 and 2021, things that could not in any way be said to be emergency spending. It just was so much extraneous stuff."

...The opposition to the Sandy aid came from 67 Republicans, including DeSantis and Ted Yoho of Gainesville. Both DeSantis, a lawyer, and Yoho, a veterinarian, had strong support in their elections from tea party groups. They were the only two representatives from Florida to vote against the Sandy aid bill.

DeSantis said he would have supported a leaner bill.

"So what we tried to do, we wanted to do a package," he said. "It would have been a relief package that focused on immediate relief, not spending down the line that's not necessary. We thought that would have been a better way to go about it."

The bill allowed the Federal Emergency Management Agency to pay out claims to those who held federal flood insurance.

..."So, I never made the point of saying we shouldn't do anything," DeSantis said recently. "You also had the New York state government coming into Congress saying, 'Hey, look at all these buildings that got damaged.' And we asked, OK, what is insurance picking up on this? And they said, 'Well, we didn't insure them, we didn't think they'd ever be a problem.' So, in that situation, we want to help people, I think, as the last line of defense, but you don't want to basically reward them for not doing the responsible thing. So I think a lot of people who have looked at it have acknowledged that there was more spending in it than what needed to be done, and it was not an appropriate vehicle, with excessive spending and extraneous money. For example, they were refurbishing the Smithsonian, and there was highway spending and different things like that [in the plan]."

DeSantis said he doesn't always support the way Congress spends money.

"In Washington, the way it works is this: I can file a bill tomorrow, about whatever you want," he said. "You just tell me, I can spend money on this or that. But chances are, it's not going to go anywhere. So, what people look for are vehicles that are definitely going to move. We knew something was going to pass. So when you see that, people say 'Oh, I can add this or that,' and it kind of goes from there. We're just trying to change the philosophy and the way Washington operates." '

This is not, in fact, shocking.

1. Yes, politicians will ask for their own shit because otherwise they will not care.  Pretty sure DeSantis has done so.

2. Money being spent our, even as far as 2018, is not unexpected.
https://www.transit.dot.gov/funding/grant-programs/emergency-relief-program/hurricane-sandy-disaster-relief#:~:text=L.,Control%20Act%20of%202011%20(Pub.

Basically: part of the money is to repair and upgrade areas of transit to help prevent future problems.  Such projects can take many years and you can't do them all at once either since that might totally cripple part or all of your public transit.

So its done over many years with projects staggered so service inturruption is minimal.


Thats just part of the money, of course, but illustrates the point.
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Re: Ron DeSantis is a shitbag
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2022, 06:23:19 PM »
This is not, in fact, shocking.

1. Yes, politicians will ask for their own shit because otherwise they will not care.  Pretty sure DeSantis has done so.

2. Money being spent our, even as far as 2018, is not unexpected.
https://www.transit.dot.gov/funding/grant-programs/emergency-relief-program/hurricane-sandy-disaster-relief#:~:text=L.,Control%20Act%20of%202011%20(Pub.

Basically: part of the money is to repair and upgrade areas of transit to help prevent future problems.  Such projects can take many years and you can't do them all at once either since that might totally cripple part or all of your public transit.

So its done over many years with projects staggered so service inturruption is minimal.


Thats just part of the money, of course, but illustrates the point.

After a hurricane you only need to repair the infrastructure once. Repairs intended for many years out should be in a regular spending bill, and not snuck into an emergency bill to get passed sight unseen.

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Re: Ron DeSantis is a shitbag
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2022, 07:16:38 PM »
“Trying to make things to survive the next hurricane is dumb and a liberal hoax”

-Tom “Shillington” Bishop

Obviously 2 years might not be enough time to plan, contact and complete a massive infrastructure repair, but hey ho. Toss De Santis’ salad a little more; he is almost there.

Also worth noting that De Santis was happy to take federal funds for Coronavirus recovery, despite being one of the most flagrantly and intentionally careless stewards of pandemic responses. He’s a hypocritical shitbag.
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Re: Ron DeSantis is a shitbag
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2022, 08:07:09 PM »
This is not, in fact, shocking.

1. Yes, politicians will ask for their own shit because otherwise they will not care.  Pretty sure DeSantis has done so.

2. Money being spent our, even as far as 2018, is not unexpected.
https://www.transit.dot.gov/funding/grant-programs/emergency-relief-program/hurricane-sandy-disaster-relief#:~:text=L.,Control%20Act%20of%202011%20(Pub.

Basically: part of the money is to repair and upgrade areas of transit to help prevent future problems.  Such projects can take many years and you can't do them all at once either since that might totally cripple part or all of your public transit.

So its done over many years with projects staggered so service inturruption is minimal.


Thats just part of the money, of course, but illustrates the point.

After a hurricane you only need to repair the infrastructure once. Repairs intended for many years out should be in a regular spending bill, and not snuck into an emergency bill to get passed sight unseen.
Sure.  And how long should that take Tom?  In your expert opinion on repair of major metropolitan transit systems?
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Re: Ron DeSantis is a shitbag
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2022, 08:18:32 PM »
After a hurricane you only need to repair the infrastructure once. Repairs intended for many years out should be in a regular spending bill, and not snuck into an emergency bill to get passed sight unseen.
Sure.  And how long should that take Tom?  In your expert opinion on repair of major metropolitan transit systems?
Assuming that no other hurricanes come along in the mean time, of course.
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2022, 08:34:41 PM »
After a hurricane you only need to repair the infrastructure once. Repairs intended for many years out should be in a regular spending bill, and not snuck into an emergency bill to get passed sight unseen.
Sure.  And how long should that take Tom?  In your expert opinion on repair of major metropolitan transit systems?
Assuming that no other hurricanes come along in the mean time, of course.
Why would that happen?  We all know superstorm sandy was a once in a lifetime thing and has no underlying reason for another one to happen in the next 100 years.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2022, 09:06:22 PM »
Sure.  And how long should that take Tom?  In your expert opinion on repair of major metropolitan transit systems?

Irrelevant. Funding intended for years down the line isn't an emergency.

In the aftermath of 9-11 emergency funding was needed for the people hurt and killed in the aftermath, but funding the construction of new towers and ongoing maintenance on those new towers wasn't an emergency. The buildings might need to be built back, but if it can take 5 years instead of 4 years, that is not an emergency and is not appropriate to be on an emergency funding bill in the immediate aftermath of 9-11.

The word emergency connotates an immediate serious need and multi-year funding projects for ongoing projects, improvements, etc, are not emergencies. It is more appropriate for those items to be outside of a bill presented as an emergency.
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2022, 09:11:19 PM »
Sure.  And how long should that take Tom?  In your expert opinion on repair of major metropolitan transit systems?

Irrelevant. Funding intended for years down the line isn't an emergency.

In the aftermath of 9-11 emergency funding was needed for the people hurt and killed in the aftermath, but funding the construction of new towers and ongoing maintenance on those new towers wasn't an emergency.

The word emergency connotates an immediate serious need and multi-year funding projects for ongoing projects, improvements, etc, are not emergencies. It is more appropriate for those items to be outside of a bill labeled as an emergency.

That’s your opinion, we got it. Now why do you think rebuilding after a disaster with infrastructure designed to withstand the next disaster is inferior to slapping some plywood and grout on the potholes and moving on?
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2022, 10:42:55 PM »
You should build back better, no doubt.

Keeping in mind the concept of fiscal integrity, I think all funds slated for Ukraine should be taken off the board, drastic cuts should be made in military spending, and all that money should be repurposed toward infrastructure (actual, physical infrastructure, not some BS labeled as such by woke shitbags roaming the flat earth plane) across the US.

De Santis is not a shitbag for pointing out the BS labeled as infrastructure by stupid liberals and their AI-generated bots.
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2022, 10:47:14 PM »
Ron DeSantis is busy tackling the real cause of hurricanes:  Critical Race Theory!

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2022, 10:50:28 PM »
Now why do you think rebuilding after a disaster with infrastructure designed to withstand the next disaster is inferior to slapping some plywood and grout on the potholes and moving on?
You believe Tom wrote something indicating he thinks this way?
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2022, 11:05:16 PM »
Now why do you think rebuilding after a disaster with infrastructure designed to withstand the next disaster is inferior to slapping some plywood and grout on the potholes and moving on?
You believe Tom wrote something indicating he thinks this way?

You believe he didn’t???
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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2022, 11:25:11 PM »
Now why do you think rebuilding after a disaster with infrastructure designed to withstand the next disaster is inferior to slapping some plywood and grout on the potholes and moving on?
You believe Tom wrote something indicating he thinks this way?

You believe he didn’t???
Not necessarily.

Could you point out the specific sentence he wrote indicating he does think this way?
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2022, 11:55:38 PM »
Now why do you think rebuilding after a disaster with infrastructure designed to withstand the next disaster is inferior to slapping some plywood and grout on the potholes and moving on?
You believe Tom wrote something indicating he thinks this way?

You believe he didn’t???
Not necessarily.

Could you point out the specific sentence he wrote indicating he does think this way?

Why should I bother with you?
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2022, 02:50:13 AM »
One of the leading contenders for the 2024 GOP Presidential nomination

This fellow absolutely cannot handle the gauntlet of a presidential run and will be exposed in short order. He doesn't have Trump's support and his bid will be over before the first (maybe 2nd) debate. Rick Santorum 2.0

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2022, 06:25:06 AM »
Now why do you think rebuilding after a disaster with infrastructure designed to withstand the next disaster is inferior to slapping some plywood and grout on the potholes and moving on?
You believe Tom wrote something indicating he thinks this way?

You believe he didn’t???
Not necessarily.

Could you point out the specific sentence he wrote indicating he does think this way?

Why should I bother with you?
I just asked.

Your retort simply and eloquently demonstrates you have nothing and your entire train of thought regarding Tom and DeSantis is really just an Angry Rant.

Not surprising.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2022, 06:30:48 AM »
Sure.  And how long should that take Tom?  In your expert opinion on repair of major metropolitan transit systems?

Irrelevant. Funding intended for years down the line isn't an emergency.

In the aftermath of 9-11 emergency funding was needed for the people hurt and killed in the aftermath, but funding the construction of new towers and ongoing maintenance on those new towers wasn't an emergency. The buildings might need to be built back, but if it can take 5 years instead of 4 years, that is not an emergency and is not appropriate to be on an emergency funding bill in the immediate aftermath of 9-11.

The word emergency connotates an immediate serious need and multi-year funding projects for ongoing projects, improvements, etc, are not emergencies. It is more appropriate for those items to be outside of a bill presented as an emergency.

Then whats the point of emergency funding?
If your house is flooded to the point where it needs to be rebuilt, do you just get some emergency funding for a week at a hotel and thats it?  Is spending a year to rebuild your house (or more depending on how many houses need to be rebuilt) not an emergency?
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.