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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: February 04, 2021, 05:13:43 PM »

They'll change the cause like they change their underwear. What always remains the same is that its them trying to get attention.

But being a low rent Katie Hopkins posting awful stuff to get attention is OK, is that right?

Saying that the emperor is not wearing any clothes is not 'awful stuff'.

It should also be mentioned that despite the advice being to stay at home, self isolate and generally behave yourself if you are old and weak, Captain Tom ignored all that advice and took a holiday to Barbados where he promptly caught coronavirus from a black man and then died ... ironically in the hands of the very NHS that raised money for. Karma is on form this week.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 04, 2021, 05:06:10 PM »

Trump was the top law enforcement official of the executive branch (which includes the Justice Department) during the election,

"They are saying what a wonderful job the Trump administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true"
- Donald J. Trump.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: February 04, 2021, 04:54:48 PM »

They'll change the cause like they change their underwear. What always remains the same is that its them trying to get attention.

But being a low rent Katie Hopkins posting awful stuff to get attention is OK, is that right?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 04, 2021, 04:24:33 PM »

Evidence for fraud has been provided in spades.

"Not all evidence is created equal" - AATW.

None of the "evidence" provided has stood up to the flimsiest scrutiny. That's why Biden is sitting in the Oval office. Soz.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 04, 2021, 04:13:40 PM »

Being in the oval office doesn't prove that he was legitimately elected

But it's up to you to prove that he wasn't.

If you don't know, then you are admitting to baselessly repeating your claim that the court cases were dismissed on merit.

I've shown you a video of a judge dismissing the evidence as a steaming pile of garbage.
You have been shown transcripts of other judges doing the same.
So yes, some of the cases were dismissed because the legal team were so incompetent they couldn't even file court cases correctly.
But you have claimed that the judges wouldn't even look at the evidence. That has been shown quite clearly to be a lie.

Incorrect.

If your counter argument is merely "nuh-uh" then I'll just take that as you conceding the point.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 04, 2021, 03:42:23 PM »

The question was whether there was supporting statistical evidence that Joe Biden got more votes

Yes there is. They counted them all. I'd suggest the number of votes is a pretty significant statistic in an election.
Biden got more than Trump. By a lot.
It's not me saying it, it's election officials throughout the US, many of whom are Republicans.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 04, 2021, 03:40:46 PM »

Already discussed at length and shown to be false. You are unable to show that the bulk of the cases were dismissed on merit

I don't know about the bulk of them. Some of them I agree were dismissed because the people filing cases for Trump were so incompetent they couldn't even file cases which made sense. But at the ones where they managed to get that right when evidence was presented the judges laughed it out of court. I have shown you video of that happening. You have been shown transcripts of that happening.

Your argument is that a person accused of murder needs to prove they didn't do it. That isn't how any of this works.
Trump is alleging fraud. Many people who hang on his every word like he's some cult leader believe him for some reason.
They had 60 cases to try and show some evidence which would stand up in court and failed.
Every recount reaffirmed the original result.
Every audit reaffirmed the original result.
Every State certified their results.
The Electoral College voted Biden in.
He is the President.

You have no positive evidence to present, as you continue to argue from a desperate position.

Joe Biden is sitting in the Oval Office, yours is the desperate case.

I'm sorry you follow a loser. The only person to lose the popular vote twice and be impeached twice.
But continuing to have a tantrum about it doesn't change the reality of who your President is.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 04, 2021, 03:04:02 PM »

I'm quite excited about the idea that his defence sounds like it's going to be "no, it wasn't insurrection, it was totally justified because the election was stolen from me". That'll go down like a fart in a space suit.

But I suspect he could turn up, shout "WE WERE TRYING TO MURDER YOU ALL AND I'D DO IT AGAIN, DAMMIT!" and the chicken shit Republicans would still acquit him.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How does FE explain star trails?

« on: February 04, 2021, 02:44:53 PM »

That is outstanding work. JSS.
I thought of something else this morning. If the stars are rotating above the plane of the flat earth and the rotation is about the centre of the disc then the only point at which they would trace circles in the sky is from the North Pole.
Anywhere else and you're "off centre" which would mean the circle they trace would be flattened from your point of view.
But that isn't what is observed, as you have shown,

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 04, 2021, 09:08:35 AM »

You need to show supporting evidence showing that Biden got more votes, not just say that Biden got more votes.

It's not us saying he got more votes. It's the election officials in the states who are saying that.
Every court case alleging fraud has been laughed out of court.
Bill Barr said there was no evidence of widespread fraud.
The head of cyber security said the same.
Every recount and audit has reaffirmed the original results.
The results in every state were certified. The electoral college voted. Joe Biden is in the White House.
There's the supporting evidence.

And if you don't believe any of that then how about this dude, saying how secure the election was:

"They are saying what a wonderful job the Trump administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true"
- Donald J. Trump.

 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 04, 2021, 07:38:44 AM »

You are simply not qualified to refute the proofs of a mathematician. Sorry.

But you believe yourself to be qualified to refute the proofs of centuries of scientists?
It’s interesting how you think appeal to authority is only valid when the authority is saying what you want to hear.

Rama hasn’t just said “nuh uh”, he has explained why the mathematician’s reasoning is flawed. Just like I and others did with the “one in a quadrillion” nonsense. In both cases the people doing the “analysis” started with a false premise. If you do that then you’re going to get the wrong conclusion.

Your only response is “but he’s a mathematician” rather than dealing with the actual argument. It’s interesting that you don’t seem to care about the qualifications of the 60 judges who laughed the cases out of court...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 03, 2021, 05:26:18 PM »

But let's say it does, Tom, lackey et all will then just say "Aha! See?!" and demand full audits in all the other states (only the ones Trump lost of course, the ones he won were clearly correct).

I mean, if voter fraud was proved and credibly attributed to the Biden campaign, he'd probably get impeached or "convinced" to resign. I suspect that might be their endgame at this point, even if it's extremely unlike to come to fruition.

Sure. And if that is proven then Biden should be ousted (and God-alone knows what happens then, surely Trump doesn't just get reinstalled?).
Trouble is the people who believe in all this election fraud guff have been hopping from one false hope to the next for 3 months.
This is just the latest one. You'd think it would be the last but it probably won't be.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How does FE explain star trails?

« on: February 03, 2021, 05:18:37 PM »

I haven't really been following this tread tbh but is Tom arguing that star trails aren't circular? If so then I don't see how that really helps FE and on this Wiki page it says

The stars in the night sky trace almost perfect circles around the hub of the earth because by necessity the mechanics of a multiple system rely intimately on the movements and vectors of every member body. Circular movement is the most perfect, stable movement. If one celestial body is out of place or moves in a different fashion than the other bodies of the group the entire system becomes inherently imbalanced. Eddies, or stars that move out of tandem, will either leave the system entirely or are compelled by the stellar system to move back into its locked pace and apogee. This is why there are no elliptical orbits.

https://wiki.tfes.org/Star_Rotation

The bigger issue for FE is why the trails go in the opposite direction in the southern hemi-plane. This is to be expected on a sphere, you're "upside down" and thus going the other way around from your frame of reference. Not sure how that would work on a flat earth.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 03, 2021, 04:17:26 PM »

Lets imagine the best possible case.  Arizona performs yet another audit, and somehow determines that they counted all wrong and Biden lost Arizona.

Spoiler: That isn't going to happen.

But let's say it does, Tom, lackey et all will then just say "Aha! See?!" and demand full audits in all the other states (only the ones Trump lost of course, the ones he won were clearly correct).
I wonder what the next excuse will be when these audits are done.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: FE claim from Wisconsin pharmacist

« on: February 03, 2021, 12:19:44 PM »

After all, being American (<5% of the world's population) is much more unorthodox than being a FE'er (7%-10% depending on your preferred source).

There is absolutely no way that anywhere near that percentage of the world's population believe in FE.
Even if we say it's 5%, lower than your range, that's 1 in 20 people.
I've literally never met anyone in real life who has expressed the view that the earth is flat. I've known a few people who are conspiracy theorists, some deeper down the rabbit hole than others, but not one has even mentioned this one.
My initial reaction when I stumbled across this place is "Really? That's a thing?"
I'm not denying that you've seen an increase in popularity but 5%? Never. Not round my way anyway.
How many people do you know in real life who are FErs? Probably more than me I suspect because of this place and you've got to know people from it. But I'd be amazed if you can seriously claim that 5% of the people you know are FE believers.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: February 03, 2021, 11:01:41 AM »

there is a kernel of a reasonable point in there.

I would have written colonel ... you know, captain Tom being promoted to colonel and all.

I did consider that joke tbf but decided I'd leave the opportunity to make that joke to someone less popular who needed the points.
No need to thank me.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: February 03, 2021, 10:23:18 AM »

Obviously he expressed it all in a particularly Thorky way, but there is a kernel of a reasonable point in there.
Isn't the NHS funded by my tax? Isn't that what National Insurance is for? If the government are under-funding it to the point that charities need to prop it up then shouldn't that be addressed.
Not having a go at Captain Tom, he was just a sweet old man who wanted to help out and good for him.
Although it is a bit random how what he did went viral, he ended up with a Number 1 single (although Michael Ball was doing a lot of the heavy lifting there) and getting a knighthood.
There were other people doing similar things and although some of them briefly made the news in the reflected glow of Captain Tom, they didn't go viral so ended up being forgotten.

But it was a feel good story of last year and there weren't many of those around so, overall, RIP Captain Tom

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 03, 2021, 09:19:52 AM »

Take out California and Trump won the popular vote over the other 49 states by more than one million votes.

Wow! This is a real scoop!
Take out the state with 39 million people in, 11% of the US population and 10 million more people than the next most populous state and you get different results?
You should take this to the press.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 03, 2021, 09:15:30 AM »

This is a fallacy. Plenty of people did think that there was a lot of illegal voting in the 2016 election, and that Clinton was receiving illegal votes.

OK. Plenty of people think they've seen a ghost.
I remember when Trump talked about millions of "illegal votes" set up this whole commission to investigate then had to disband it when they couldn't find anything.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-commission.html
How embarrassing

Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 but won the electoral college by a "landslide", by his own judgement.
Never happened in history before. He must have stolen it.

I asked for strong positive correlation showing that Joe Biden was legitimately elected

No. You need to provide evidence that he wasn't.
They had 60 court cases to present some and failed miserably.
Every recount and audit reaffirmed the original result. All the little things you pinned your hopes on have fallen flat, just like we all told you they would.
And sure, you can Google and find sources which still back up your desperate beliefs. But as I keep telling you, not all evidence is created equal.
If you continue to believe all the little conspiracy sites whose claims have proven untrue after the last few months over and over again then I'm not sure there's much we can do to help you.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide

« on: February 03, 2021, 09:04:03 AM »

Newsmax again showing their liberal bias:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1356719881564086272

Stormed off the set like a petulant child while interviewing a guest. Looks like an attempted career suicide to me.

Yeah! Who wouldn't want to be sued into oblivion for spreading lies about companies?