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NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« on: April 15, 2018, 06:01:11 PM »
I came across this interesting quote:

"In August 2005, Airservices Australia (Airservices) and the United States National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) signed a Letter of Agreement (LoA) to undertake collaborative research on Air Traffic Management (ATM) decision-support automation, communication, navigation and surveillance. One project completed under the LoA focused on validating the Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) In-Trail Procedure (ITP), a new airborne procedure that leverages the benefits of ADS-B to provide a means for pilots to make more informed requests of Air Traffic Service Providers (ATSPs) and enable altitude changes that previously would not have been approvable. Intended for use in non-RADAR (radio detection and ranging) airspace that employs procedural separation, the ITP uses airborne ADS-B data, onboard tools, and a new separation standard based on these data and tools to provide ADS-B-equipped aircraft with better access to preferred flight levels in oceanic and other remote airspace."

From airservicesaustralia.com: "Airservices is Australia's air navigation service provider"

What business does NASA have collaborating with foreign services for Air Traffic Control? Is NASA the Air Traffic Control authority of the world or something?
« Last Edit: April 15, 2018, 06:06:50 PM by Tom Bishop »

Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2018, 06:21:40 PM »
You know what the first A of NASA stands for, right?
It is in the quote you posted

https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/nasa-knows/what-is-nasa-58.html

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Many people know something about NASA’s work. But most probably have no idea about how many different things the agency does. Astronauts in orbit conduct scientific research. Satellites help scientists learn more about Earth. Space probes study the solar system, and beyond. New developments improve air travel and other aspects of flight. NASA is also beginning a new program to send humans to explore beyond the moon to Mars. In addition to those major missions, NASA does many other things. The agency shares what it learns, so that its information can make life better for people all over the world. For example, companies can use NASA discoveries to create new “spin-off” products

I have no idea what point you think you're making.
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Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2018, 06:32:17 PM »
So it is part of NASA's mission to improve the air traffic control systems of foreign nations now? Why can't Airservices Australia maintain their own systems or call upon on one of the many companies who specialize in that?

The fact that NASA is involved in the air traffic control systems in Australia creates distrust with the accuracy of Australian flight data.

Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2018, 06:39:40 PM »
Your article says it's "collaborative research". That implies mutual benefits.
You really are reaching having been proven wrong a few times recently.  :D
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Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2018, 06:48:03 PM »
So it is part of NASA's mission to improve the air traffic control systems of foreign nations now? Why can't Airservices Australia maintain their own systems or call upon on one of the many companies who specialize in that?

The fact that NASA is involved in the air traffic control systems in Australia creates distrust with the accuracy of Australian flight data.

Dear Mr. Bishop, if company A and company B collaborate does it mean that company A intends to gain control over company B?
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Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2018, 07:02:56 PM »
I came across this interesting quote:

"In August 2005, Airservices Australia (Airservices) and the United States National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) signed a Letter of Agreement (LoA) to undertake collaborative research on Air Traffic Management (ATM) decision-support automation, communication, navigation and surveillance. One project completed under the LoA focused on validating the Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) In-Trail Procedure (ITP), a new airborne procedure that leverages the benefits of ADS-B to provide a means for pilots to make more informed requests of Air Traffic Service Providers (ATSPs) and enable altitude changes that previously would not have been approvable. Intended for use in non-RADAR (radio detection and ranging) airspace that employs procedural separation, the ITP uses airborne ADS-B data, onboard tools, and a new separation standard based on these data and tools to provide ADS-B-equipped aircraft with better access to preferred flight levels in oceanic and other remote airspace."

From airservicesaustralia.com: "Airservices is Australia's air navigation service provider"

What business does NASA have collaborating with foreign services for Air Traffic Control? Is NASA the Air Traffic Control authority of the world or something?

"Collaborative research" between various agencies from different countries is hardly news. And you calling it "collaborating with foreign services" supports my suspicion that the 'Flat Earth movement' would be nothing without the conspiracy theories. 

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Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2018, 07:12:32 PM »
So it is part of NASA's mission to improve the air traffic control systems of foreign nations now? Why can't Airservices Australia maintain their own systems or call upon on one of the many companies who specialize in that?

The fact that NASA is involved in the air traffic control systems in Australia creates distrust with the accuracy of Australian flight data.

Dear Mr. Bishop, if company A and company B collaborate does it mean that company A intends to gain control over company B?

It means that there is a conflict of interest when trying to use the data of company B to vouch for company A.

If Scarface is collaborating with the president of a local bank for his business dealings, can we trust the bank's records on Scarface to be accurate?
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Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2018, 07:49:44 PM »
Right. I think I've got it...

So NASA collaborated on some research with Australia and therefore that casts doubt on Australia corroborating the moon landings 40 years previously and therefore the moon landings were faked and therefore NASA are part of a global conspiracy and therefore the earth is flat!

Well, that's good enough for me. I hereby renounce my belief in the globe earth.

Have you been watching Monty Python and the Holy Grail again?

BEDEVERE: Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1: No. No.
VILLAGER #2: No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!
CROWD: The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR: A duck!
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE: And therefore?
VILLAGER #2: A witch!


This really is a reach, Tom...
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Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2018, 07:59:19 PM »
So it is part of NASA's mission to improve the air traffic control systems of foreign nations now? Why can't Airservices Australia maintain their own systems or call upon on one of the many companies who specialize in that?

The fact that NASA is involved in the air traffic control systems in Australia creates distrust with the accuracy of Australian flight data.

I guess they've just realised that when USA planes fly to other countries they can't do the entire flight in their own airspace.....
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Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2018, 08:36:30 PM »
I searched for the quote in OP, but the only exact match is a post on page 2 of this Metabunk thread.

It's similar but different from the abstract of this report.

Tom do you mind sharing your source?

Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2018, 09:17:49 PM »
So it is part of NASA's mission to improve the air traffic control systems of foreign nations now? Why can't Airservices Australia maintain their own systems or call upon on one of the many companies who specialize in that?

The fact that NASA is involved in the air traffic control systems in Australia creates distrust with the accuracy of Australian flight data.
What actual data and in what way?

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Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2018, 12:30:29 PM »
So it is part of NASA's mission to improve the air traffic control systems of foreign nations now? Why can't Airservices Australia maintain their own systems or call upon on one of the many companies who specialize in that?

The fact that NASA is involved in the air traffic control systems in Australia creates distrust with the accuracy of Australian flight data.

Sigh, Tom... ADS-B makes the data ATC receives more accurate and provides an picture of local traffic to pilots. I know you want to tie this into a conspiracy, but the planes are still visible on ATC radar. It doesn't change their location. Also, it works via satellite, which means satellite data has been confirmed by radar. (win for RE)
I saw a video where a pilot was flying above the sun.
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Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2018, 12:42:06 PM »
It's NASA's way of keeping tabs on them, officially it will be to help, but in reality its so they can track where they go and what they do with regards to the ice wall.

Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2018, 01:09:08 PM »
It's NASA's way of keeping tabs on them, officially it will be to help, but in reality its so they can track where they go and what they do with regards to the ice wall.
Ding-ding-ding, we've got our conspiracy tie-in! Tell us, what prize has he won?

Seems far more likely they want access to some of the data from sats controlled by NASA to help them with tracking, and in return NASA gets some goodwill from Australia, and maybe some useful data. No conspiracy needed, simple greed suffices in wanting some good PR and a 'chip' from Australia as it were.

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Re: NASA influence in Australian Air Traffic Control
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2018, 01:22:23 PM »
It's NASA's way of keeping tabs on them, officially it will be to help, but in reality its so they can track where they go and what they do with regards to the ice wall.

Yeah, lots of commercial flights fly to the mystical ice wall. Does the military need planes to broadcast their presence locally in order to spot them? Last time I checked, radar works. Honestly, do you people even think about what you're posting?
I saw a video where a pilot was flying above the sun.
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