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Re: Notes on The Importance of Empiricism
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2018, 06:48:12 PM »
A careful reader might notice the use of the word 'resembles.'

You reject the best available evidence prima facie because it shows the Earth is not flat. In questioning the reality of things that prove you wrong, you act like Pyrrho, who questioned the reality of everything. This comparison is unfair to Pyrrho, because he at least was skeptical of all things all the time.

You are right to value empiricism. You're wrong about everything else.

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Re: Notes on The Importance of Empiricism
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2018, 10:33:05 PM »
You are right to value empiricism. You're wrong about everything else.

That is what the rest of the book is for, to demonstrate that FET is the most empirical conclusion.

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Re: Notes on The Importance of Empiricism
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2018, 10:41:27 PM »
The debates between rationalists and empiricists on the nature of the earth can be exceedingly difficult. If the opponents are unwilling to meet on an agreed playing field, reasoned debate is all but impossible. The empiricist will demand a reexamination of facts and first principles, while the rationalist counters and dismisses that need with 100 different arguments ranging from appeals to authority to strawman fallacies. The rationionalist knows that he is right, and considers the underlying science a settled matter.

To be fair to the rationalist, he is put into a tough situation. The rationalist is not only asked show that his theory is correct, but to also show that the underlying science itself is correct.

It is of great importance to guide the reader to understand that empericists, at their essence, are driven to question the fundamental assumptions of our universe to seek greater understanding.

Rationists claim to also seek greater understanding, but go about it in a far different way. Rationalists pride themselves on "standing on the shoulders of giants," creating theory that supplants theory, content with explanations that seemily describe the workings of things, but is ultimately founded on a house of cards. The rationalist may deny this, but in many areas it is easily demonstratable.
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Re: Notes on The Importance of Empiricism
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2018, 04:52:18 PM »
The debates between rationalists and empiricists on the nature of the earth can be exceedingly difficult. If the opponents are unwilling to meet on an agreed playing field, reasoned debate is all but impossible. The empiricist will demand a reexamination of facts and first principles, while the rationalist counters and dismisses that need with 100 different arguments ranging from appeals to authority to strawman fallacies. The rationionalist knows that he is right, and considers the underlying science a settled matter.

To be fair to the rationalist, he is put into a tough situation. The rationalist is not only asked show that his theory is correct, but to also show that the underlying science itself is correct.

It is of great importance to guide the reader to understand that empericists, at their essence, are driven to question the fundamental assumptions of our universe to seek greater understanding.

Rationists claim to also seek greater understanding, but go about it in a far different way. Rationalists pride themselves on "standing on the shoulders of giants," creating theory that supplants theory, content with explanations that seemily describe the workings of things, but is ultimately founded on a house of cards. The rationalist may deny this, but in many areas it is easily demonstratable.

I feel like everything you have typed here can be said about your supposed "empiricism."

When is the last time you have actually gone out and tried to determine the shape of the Earth? You have demonstrated your lack of initiative several times -- the moon/sun string trick, your lack of a desire to travel anywhere else in the world to help prove your point, etc.

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Re: Notes on The Importance of Empiricism
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2018, 05:16:27 AM »
I notice that there is at the beginning of this thread a lot written about empirical evidence against rationalisation.

Let me offer a wealth of empirical evidence that gets dismissed.

For hundreds of years seafarers and navigators have been measuring distances sailed against distances calculated from the RE model.
This empirical evidence, experience and observation should be enough to sway most people that there is some merit in the observations.

Literally Millions of seafarers have used their senses, observed and travelled, measured the distances, calculated positions and recorded them four hundreds of years, and have the empirical evidence of the observations.

The counter argument to this is that the millions of people and observations are somehow wrong or misled, without offering a wealth of counter empirical observations that are repeatable.

The mass of Oservable and recorded evidence is therefore dismissed as some hoax, or misunderstanding on the part of millions.