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Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« on: January 09, 2018, 03:18:34 PM »
Another failed secret satellite attempt it seems. Good picture, although blurry, of what appears it hitting the dome then spinning back to the ocean so blue. Dutch pilot Peter Horstink, what a name, can't stop laughing, who makes these things? Rounds are sooooo, u know.

I like the video cut where we leave the launch footage and then show some first stage joke of a landing pad.

People believe anything. Did you see Santa and the Reindeer too rounders? Nothing gets through the dome gang, nothing.

https://qz.com/1175393/zuma-satellite-did-elon-musks-spacex-or-northrup-grumman-mess-up-a-secret-us-launch/

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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2018, 03:58:03 PM »
You do know there are people there, watching the landing, right?
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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2018, 02:55:18 AM »
You do know there are people there, watching the landing, right?

I'm not sure what your statement has to do with rockets hitting the dome or giggle TV but I did watch the moon landing live on Tee Vee and three steel buildings fall on 9/11 which fell due to office fires. Neither of which are true.

I believe the spacex control room is TeeVee also. As far as I know, no reputable person has come forward with video of the first stage coming back to earth landing safely.

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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2018, 03:17:36 AM »
So I watched the whole video - I saw nothing hitting this imaginary dome you prattle on about constantly. I think the mission was a failure - problem with the 2nd stage, but no dome in the way. Can you give us the time where this impact is seen?
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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2018, 04:55:53 AM »
You do know there are people there, watching the landing, right?

I'm not sure what your statement has to do with rockets hitting the dome or giggle TV but I did watch the moon landing live on Tee Vee and three steel buildings fall on 9/11 which fell due to office fires. Neither of which are true.

I believe the spacex control room is TeeVee also. As far as I know, no reputable person has come forward with video of the first stage coming back to earth landing safely.

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You said the first stage landing was a joke. It isn't. There are regular people there that literally watch it happen.

Here's a "few" independent videos, photos, and gifs, as well as uncut videos from SpaceX:

There is this tweet by John Kraus, and independent photographer, showing obvious people watching the landing at LZ-1: https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/941697413684891648
And another from Kraus: https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/871119221484290049
Another photo, not from Kraus, but a long-exposure showing the rocket going up and coming down: https://i.imgur.com/PDz5aez.jpg
This entire Reddit thread of independent photos, gifs, etc of a launch and landing: https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/4tayth/rspacex_crs9_launch_media_thread_videos_images/
A video of a full launch and landing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PHkgSEX11o
And another video of the landing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peSllZXTlvk
here's a video which shows the rocket's boostback burn and, while it does switch cameras after that, still shows the landing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPHbqY9LHCs

But if you're still not convinced, here's a 164-photo gif of an entire launch and landing. It's independent. It's not affiliated with NASA or SpaceX. It's by an enthusiast who does this as a hobby: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/7kak5q/i_created_a_164image_gif_timelapse_of_yesterdays/

And still more: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/7kaju8/the_descent_and_landing_of_the_falcon_9_booster/
https://youtu.be/ANv5UfZsvZQ?t=2m36s

I mean, you still haven't exactly said what is so fake about the falcon 9 landings. Yes not everything on TV is real but that number of things is low. You have to have a good reason as to how it's fake, right? You say you believe it's "tee vee" [sic]. Does this mean it's fake? Why? What's your evidence? Is third party, independent sources not good enough? Is full, nearly uncut, repetetive, impossible to fake to such perfection (with accurate weather and cloud patterns) videos not good enough?

You say the moon landings weren't true, or that 3 buildings, 2 of which hit by fucking 747s; one hit by falling, flaming steel by the other buildings, burning at well over 1000 degrees F, hot enough to not melt but significantly bend and weaken steel, couldn't have fallen on their own. Why? Your evidence is against common knowledge in a multitude of fields of science and engineering. Why is it fake? What's your evidence?

And, as StinkyOne said, there's no evidence in your original film of the rocket hitting the dome. It hasn't happened before. It didn't happen now. Where is this impact seen? What evidence do you have that it indeed was a dome that the rocket ran into?
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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 05:52:39 AM »
Hey, J-man, I found some more links! Thought you might like them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/69smr4/spacex_falcon_9_thrust_vectoring_seen_in_image/ This is an independent photo of the Falcon 9 coming in for a landing. Oh yeah, real fake.

Oh and this is my second favorite: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/4wifur/gif_i_created_from_my_photos_of_the_falcon_9/ Someone made this gif using photos he took. While it isn't as nice as the full, 164-image gif that I posted in my last comment, it still shows a third-party example of the landing.

That not good enough? Well the same person posted a video of him taking the photos, with the rocket in the background:

And the same person posted the images on his website. Feel free to email him if you want, I'm sure he'd love to answer your questions: http://photos.tmahlmann.com/Rockets/SpaceX/CRS-9/ and http://photos.tmahlmann.com/Rockets/SpaceX/CRS-10/i-P6z59rK/A and http://photos.tmahlmann.com/Rockets/SpaceX/SpaceX-CRS-12/i-N6gzZk8/A and http://photos.tmahlmann.com/Rockets/SpaceX/SpaceX-CRS-12/i-45fk4kD/A and http://photos.tmahlmann.com/Rockets/SpaceX/SpaceX-CRS-12/i-7xvStxm/A

They're all quite beautiful, actually. Really shows how amazing human engineering is. So, are these all faked too? What about the people who actually watch the launch and landing? I'm planning to take a trip down to see the Flacon Heavy debut. 2 of the cores will return to land on land, where the landings are visible (the other, the center core, will continue on and land on the barge). Will that be faked too? Are they going to be projections into my eyes? I'll take some photos if I do get the chance to go down and watch them.
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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 04:45:57 PM »
Like Nick said, there are people watching the launch and landing with their very own eyes. A ton of my web buddies went to Kennedy Space Centre and saw the launches in full glory. They even photographed it. I think you have enough proof from Nick that people actually do witness these launches.

Oh and remember that time when 90% of the population freaked out when they saw the launch of a rocket from Vandenburg Airforce base?
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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 04:51:37 PM »
Like Nick said, there are people watching the launch and landing with their very own eyes. A ton of my web buddies went to Kennedy Space Centre and saw the launches in full glory. They even photographed it. I think you have enough proof from Nick that people actually do witness these launches.

Oh and remember that time when 90% of the population freaked out when they saw the launch of a rocket from Vandenburg Airforce base?

It's not the launches he's questioning (though I wouldn't be surprised). It's the landings. But again, you're right. There are plenty of people watching the landing, and independent people photograph the landings. Some people are able to make gifs of their own photographs of the entire launch-to-landing sequence, as I linked above. Is J-man here? I'd love to get his opinion on this.
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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2018, 01:10:41 AM »
You may be able to watch live the Vandenberg launch if it isn't delayed again. We'll get to see the rocket tip over and head to the ocean so blue. Kerplunk

It's a secret mission....shhhhhh

http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a15063029/ula-nro-spy-satellite-launch-2018/
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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2018, 01:39:07 AM »


At 2:40 seconds into flight the rocket is doing 3,700 mph and at a height of 50 miles. This is when the cut a way begins to the cartoon time because if my estimates are correct the rocket would be hitting the dome in approx. 1:00 minute. This now gives the control room time to tip this baby over heading for da ocean or what the heck, smash it into the dome. As we see, control is watching it all on Tee Vee.

Where's the beef? Where's the satellite?
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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2018, 01:42:07 AM »
So I watched the whole video - I saw nothing hitting this imaginary dome you prattle on about constantly. I think the mission was a failure - problem with the 2nd stage, but no dome in the way. Can you give us the time where this impact is seen?

The link shows the crash site and rocket spinning out of control in a blurry still photo.
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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2018, 04:12:31 AM »


At 2:40 seconds into flight the rocket is doing 3,700 mph and at a height of 50 miles. This is when the cut a way begins to the cartoon time because if my estimates are correct the rocket would be hitting the dome in approx. 1:00 minute. This now gives the control room time to tip this baby over heading for da ocean or what the heck, smash it into the dome. As we see, control is watching it all on Tee Vee.

Where's the beef? Where's the satellite?

J-man, would the crash not be visible to millions? I mean, this dome is right above our heads, correct? And there's millions under it, correct? So how did no one see the crash?

Do you not understand how a rocket gets into orbit? You can't go straight up or you'll come back down. Imagine throwing a ball. You throw it straight up, it comes back straight down. You throw it sideways, then it goes up, and sideways. Theoretically, if you throw the ball hard enough, it could gain enough velocity to keep moving sideways, and keep moving down, at an equal speed, so that it never comes back to the surface (of course, it would burn up in the atmosphere before it got anywhere).

Have you ever actually seen a launch? Or even a time-lapse photo of a launch? I'll post a few here:
https://spaceflightnow.com/atlas/ac202/images/040313atlas3streak.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/TDRS-L_launch_-_time_lapse_photograph.jpg
https://www.imaging-resource.com/?ACT=44&fid=17&d=4607&f=aaspx-4-625.jpg
https://format-com-cld-res.cloudinary.com/image/private/s--kDZlJaUU--/c_limit,g_center,h_1200,w_65535/a_auto,fl_keep_iptc.progressive,q_95/274028-12921448-SamYIPS002_JPG.jpg
http://www.harrisonruess.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/FALCON-9-AND-SES-8-LAUNCH-FROM-SPACEXS-LAUNCH-PAD-AT-CAPE-CANAVERAL.jpg

Now, notice how the arc always seems to flatten out near its end? If, the rocket was just falling back to the surface, the arc should follow its designated path, and should not flatten. It should look like this if the rocket was falling: http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfadd/1150/08Statics/Images/ball.gif
or, if you wan't a real life example, this: https://cheeseheadtv.com/sites/default/files/arc_details.jpg

But the rocket does not do this. Why? Because it is entering orbit. I have a question. How high up is the dome? If, after 2:40, the rocket is 50 miles up, and you claim it hits the dome about a minute later, surely it can't be much higher than 55-60 miles, correct? If the rocket is moving sideways, with far less vertical velocity, then the dome can't be too far above the rocket. If this is the case, then this crash should be visible to people on the east coast. The rocket hasn't gone too far downrange, and 55-60 miles is considerably high. Rockets, when they crash, also make a huge bright light, and a great boom would return to the people at the launch site, would it not? So, why has this never happened?

IF, the rocket was to continue back to the ocean, its arc should be continuous, and not flatten out, like it does in every photo above.

Oh, and your most recent post? No, the link doesn't show a rocket crashing and spinning out of control. Can I get a timestamp to when, exactly in the video, this occurs?

And, J-man, last post. With the considerable amounts of evidence I gave you in my last 2 posts, are you still in denial about SpaceX's landings? What is your opinion? Is everything just faked for a stupid reason? Why, according to your original posts, aren't landings possible?
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Re: Zuma Goes Booma against the dome?
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2018, 04:34:52 AM »
So I watched the whole video - I saw nothing hitting this imaginary dome you prattle on about constantly. I think the mission was a failure - problem with the 2nd stage, but no dome in the way. Can you give us the time where this impact is seen?

The link shows the crash site and rocket spinning out of control in a blurry still photo.
No, that is not what the link shows at all. Please show me a rocket crashing into the dome.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2018, 01:29:32 AM »
J-Man, I'm super confused.

Is your position that these videos are faked, or that they show the rocket hitting the dome?
If they're faked, why would they show you the thing they are trying to hide?
If they do show something hitting the dome, they are doing bad jobs of faking stuff, right?

Also, please note that you can link directly to the thing you want to link to. Is this what you're talking about?
https://twitter.com/Marco_Langbroek/status/950509102970621957


Linking directly to that will help disambiguate what you're talking about.

If space were to exist, and if a rocket were venting fuel, what would it look like?
If the dome were real, and a rocket were to hit it, what would that look like?

We know what rocket crashes look like, for example the recent falcon pad explosion, or the Challenger failure. That picture doesn't look like a rocket crash to me.

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« Last Edit: January 15, 2018, 07:23:19 PM by nickrulercreator »
This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today.