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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 03:25:45 PM »
You are misleading people by implying Trudeau is talking about Dakota. But whatever.
I strongly suspect you were the only person who took it that way, and you obviously did it on purpose since you knew the difference. Shorthand isn't the crime you claim it to be.

I was misled.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 01:23:13 PM »
Is it a big deal?

I would define the risk of poisoning a region's water supply as a big deal, yes. There's also the harm that the pipeline poses to areas of cultural/spiritual significance to the Sioux, but I don't have the energy to convince the right to care about that too.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 11:54:14 AM »
Yeah mollete: sucks but I expected the pipeline to go through.

Well, that one was to be expected.

Yeah, no, I wasn't surprised at all. I just don't think "yeah, well, we knew THAT shit was gonna go down" is a good reason to ignore it if it's still a big deal.

taxpayer-sponsored abortion

That does not happen.

US funds never go toward abortions abroad anyway

Any foreign clinics we give aid to were not allowed to use those funds for abortions. If they performed abortions, they funded them through other means. But now they can't even do that.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure taxpayers don't pay for abortions here either, or if they do it's a minuscule amount reserved for extreme cases. Federal funding PP gets goes to the other healthcare services they provide.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 05:33:44 AM »
Oh, also the executive order to allow the Dakota Access Pipeline to continue through Standing Rock.

Trump is doing objectionable shit faster than I can object to it :|

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 05:17:37 AM »
Can't decide on an article to share, so I'll leave y'all to google if you'd like, but Trump reinstated the Global Gag Rule, which has been known to have drastic negative impacts on women's health worldwide.

It's rather silly, really. US funds never go toward abortions abroad anyway, but with the GGR clinics that receive aid from us would lose that aid if they were to even mention abortion as an option for their patients. The GGR kills women--both women who are seeking non-abortion-related healthcare and can't find it and women who turn to unsafe methods of terminating their pregnancy as a last resort.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 24, 2017, 07:39:09 PM »
http://time.com/4645559/donald-trump-epa-social-media-blackout/

I guess it's not just the National Parks Service then.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing (the Video Game Version)
« on: January 22, 2017, 06:45:46 PM »
Stardew Valley

I'm hopelessly addicted. It's like a better Harvest Moon.

Just started playing this yesterday. I did not expect to get sucked in so quickly, it's surprisingly good. I'm about halfway through my first summer at the moment.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 21, 2017, 01:09:45 PM »
w0w you beat me to it, I came to this thread to post that exact article (instead of the OD one I saw my friend share on Facebook).

Anyway, it is a bit of a troubling precedent to set, don't you think? Not "bad Nazi Trump curbing free speech" bad, but... this kind of punishment is rather unAmerican. Obama never punished or whined about people who opposed him.

And, y'know, "talking shit" is a bit of a stretch. It's a couple of slightly unflattering but mostly harmless retweets--one noting a comparatively small inauguration crowd and one noting the whitehouse.gov story. They saw these tweets and pressed a button. It's not like some NPS employee typed up "Trump is a tremendous loser with no talent! Sad!"

I thought nobody takes Twitter seriously.

also this lol ^^^

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 20, 2017, 08:11:15 PM »
So the whitehouse.gov pages for civil rights, lgbt rights, climate change, and immigration have all disappeared???
To be expected. Have you tried looking at the content of these pages? Why would a website that's no longer about Obama advertise what President Obama wants and doesn't want to do?

You can view whitehouse.gov as it appeared in 2007. You will notice that many pages disappeared in 2008 - e.g. National Security, Iraq, Patriot act. Gadzooks, why could this be? Did Obama not want his nation to be secure?

I guess the disappearance of the lgbt rights page disproves the claim that "Trump will be the most LGBT-friendly President this country has ever seen" that I saw on r/The_Donald this morning :^)

Also,

Grabbing someone by the pussy without consent is not "politically incorrect", it is sexual assault. To use political correctness to justify your criminal behavior is pathetic.

He said "when you're a star they LET you do it." BTW happy President Trump day.

We aren't talking about Trump. Please read the previous posts including the OP.

To save you from all the scrolling, Luke, here's the article that was being discussed.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 20, 2017, 07:44:42 PM »
So the whitehouse.gov pages for civil rights, lgbt rights, climate change, and immigration have all disappeared??? Also, a former Russian politician said "Washington will be ours" and that this is the first phase of the New World Order???

Sources (and yes there is bias but everything checks out):

http://www.vox.com/2017/1/20/14338342/trump-white-house-energy-page
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-inauguration-russia-idUSKBN1541S6

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Inauguration day!
« on: January 20, 2017, 05:32:51 PM »
Trekky and I left for lunch shortly after It Happened. When we did most of the people downstairs had actually started playing it and were eating pizza together.

I legit like physically feel a little uneasy right now :(

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Inauguration day!
« on: January 20, 2017, 05:15:59 PM »
Okay question: Since Pence was sworn in before Trump, does that mean for a couple mins Obama was pres and Pence was his vice pres?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Inauguration day!
« on: January 20, 2017, 04:31:17 PM »
According to Trekky (who works in Bossman's office) Bossman is watching the inauguration in his office while us PLEBEIANS downstairs are denied that privilege.

TREKKY DOESN'T EVEN WANNA WATCH THIS IS ABSURD.

edit: convenient excuse to go upstairs presented itself

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Inauguration day!
« on: January 20, 2017, 03:02:01 PM »
Bossman: What’s today, the 18th?
Me + Coworker: No, it’s the 20th
Bossman: Oh, it’s Inauguration Day! Hey, we didn’t take off for MLK Day, maybe we could do a half day for Inauguration Day? Or we could all take off for lunch at 11:30...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Inauguration day!
« on: January 20, 2017, 02:48:55 PM »
I will be unable to watch or drink as I am currently working. I looked up a schedule though, apparently he’s having tea with the Obamas rn. Man, I’d love to be a fly on the wall for that...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Discrimination based on Politics
« on: January 19, 2017, 05:55:09 PM »
Religion is a set of rules, values, and beliefs that are arbitrary or simply "because that's the way it is" without any need for factual evidence.
Political parties aren't much different.  You have a set of 'values' that are your core and that's just the way it is.  You're a Republican or a Democrat and most people just are.  They could change but they don't.  Doesn't matter if they agree with their group, they're still (Political Party) and will defend their party against anyone who lacks belief.

Your religion is developed and can be easily (depending on your religion) changed or dropped.  And the same thing could happen that changing your political views does: Alienation among peers, condemnation from friends and family, finding a new group who supports you.

I think Lord Dave's other point, though, is that this same argument also applies to religion, and religious belief is protected by the Civil Rights Act.

Ah. Well... yeah. Religion is sort of invincible/exempt from lots of stuff in America, just cuz.

I see the parallels you’re drawing between politics and religion, and I (for the most part) agree with them. For whatever reason though (maybe for no reason), religion is just treated differently in America. It’s one of our defining features.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Discrimination based on Politics
« on: January 19, 2017, 01:50:10 PM »
Political views and ideologies in general are formed based on one's experiences and knowledge. I know the whole "nature vs. nurture" thing wrt to sexuality is kind of complicated and up for debate, but political views are without a doubt developed, not inherited. Political views aren't something you "choose," per se, but they are more subject to change than your sexuality is.

I think Lord Dave's other point, though, is that this same argument also applies to religion, and religious belief is protected by the Civil Rights Act.

Ah. Well... yeah. Religion is sort of invincible/exempt from lots of stuff in America, just cuz.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Discrimination based on Politics
« on: January 19, 2017, 01:34:20 PM »
Why is sexuality protected but political views aren't?

Political views and ideologies in general are formed based on one's experiences and knowledge. I know the whole "nature vs. nurture" thing wrt to sexuality is kind of complicated and up for debate, but political views are without a doubt developed, not inherited. Political views aren't something you "choose," per se, but they are more subject to change than your sexuality is.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 18, 2017, 02:58:53 PM »
By quoting the lawyer defending him and not reporting on any prior offenses it shows either lazy journalism or an attempt to frame the guy as a first time offender.  I thought he was when I first read it, that he had wanted to do something like that for years but now he felt like he could get away with it.

Hm. If it was an attempt to frame him as a first time offender, I'd admit that that's pretty dubious. I honestly drew zero conclusions about his sexual/criminal behavior in the past, and I was not surprised when I gained the knowledge of his past behavior. Only surprised that the article had neglected to include that information. But again, I guess that's just me having more experience interacting with creeps.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 18, 2017, 02:40:10 PM »
Jesus Christ, the article didn't even suggest that he had no history of misdemeanor.
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“In almost 30 years of practicing law in this town, I would say Mr. von Keyserling is the one person I would never suspect of having any inappropriate sexual predilections,” lawyer Phil Russell said to the Greenwich Time.

Yeah lol I guess it doesn't literally say that.

That quote didn't have any effect on my opinion on whether or not he had a criminal history. It doesn't really even mean anything at all to me, tbh; I interpreted it as a total fluff quote. A) It's from the guy's lawyer, of course he's going to deny his guilt, and b) as someone who has been sexually assaulted and has known people who have been sexually assaulted, I know that pretty much every person who sexually assaults someone is going to have at least one person in their life be like "just look at them!!! they don't look like someone who would sexually assault anyone!!!"

It could just be me, but I can't see how that quote would lead anyone to erroneously believe that he had no criminal history.

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