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Flat Earth Theory / Does the Sun Speed Up in Winter?
« on: June 15, 2020, 10:50:02 PM »
Hi everyone!
I've not been here in a long time, but I had a thought recently, and I'd never heard it discussed before, and a quick search didn't bring it up either. I wondered whether anybody here has anything to input.

I'll state up front that I believe the Earth to be a globe. But I'm here in good faith, in the spirit of robust discussion that lots of people here value.

So let's start with the premise that the Earth is flat. The sun, a few thousand miles above the surface, moves in good approximations of circles centred around the north pole. They aren't perfect circles but more like a spiral, with the sun moving closer to the north pole in summer and closer to the outer edge in winter (I live in the northern hemisphere so I when I say summer and winter I mean northern hemisphere summer and winter. I also don't know what other terminology to use than "hemisphere".)

Now, whether it's summer or winter, a full day and night cycle still lasts for 24 hours. But because the sun during winter travels over a much longer distance in the same period of time than it does during summer, it must be travelling much faster. But we don't see this happening, down here on the surface.
If, from a given northern latitude, you observe the sun move across the sky during northern solstice, and then observe it again from the equal southern latitude during southern solstice, the sun will appear to be moving across the sky at the same speed, though on a flat Earth we would expect it to be moving 1.7 times faster*, which would be quite noticeable with even casual observations.

So, what gives? Does anyone know of any FE models that can account for this? Has this topic been covered before? Apologies if so.

Thanks, all!
Best wishes
Don

*at least, given the measurements I got off Google Earth: 7400km straight down a meridian from the north pole to the Tropic of Cancer, giving a circumference for the Tropic of Cancer of 46,500km (all measurements rounded to the nearest hundred), then another 12,600km straight down a meridian from tropic to tropic, giving a circumference of 79,200 for the Tropic of Capricorn, roughly 1.7 times as long.

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Flat Earth Theory / Zeteticism
« on: July 14, 2017, 11:41:17 AM »
Good afternoon folks!

I don't know if this is the right forum for this post, but it's the one I usually hang out in. Apologies if it belongs somewhere else.

I'm interested in learning a bit about the zetetic method. I hadn't ever heard of zeteticism before discovering this website, and research around it hasn't been super fruitful for me, so the only information I have about it is what I've read on the front page and wiki.

What I gather, then, is that it's different from science in that it postulates no hypotheses, merely makes observations and then seeks to explain those observations. So the great Rowbotham observed that the surfaces of bodies of water are flat, and concluded that therefore the Earth must be flat.
Dandy.
But beyond that, I don't see the principles of zeteticism being applied. I observe the sun sinking towards, and then gradually disappearing behind, the horizon every evening. It then rises from behind the (roughly) opposite horizon the next morning.These observations would lead me to conclude that the sun travels around the Earth on a daily cycle, or else that the Earth itself revolves. The fine minds on this forum and elsewhere have worked out the mechanics of refraction, and the magnification of light through dense media, which is commendable work, but isn't postulating the existence of such phenomena a scientific, rather than a zeteticism, practice?

What am I missing?

PS. Sorry if my spelling is a bit mad, I'm typing this on a phone and am at the mercy of autocorrect

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« on: May 08, 2017, 08:09:13 AM »
Dang. I had looked for answers to this question myself, but couldn't find any good literature on the topic. I was hoping that some voice of reason like our good Mr Bishop might have some insight for me. Painful though it can be, sometimes all we can do is accept that there is much we still don't know, such as what is happening in the region close to the sun. A reminder that the universe is still full of mystery.

Still, I have to admit to a little disappointment. Especially when superficially it would seem like we do know so much. That there will be an eclipse, for instance. And when, down to the minute, and which parts of the world will see it fully or partially...

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Flat Earth Theory / Which Is Our Map?
« on: April 21, 2017, 08:03:24 AM »
Hi, chaps and chapettes!

I've been looking to buy a large poster of an accurate, political map of the world for a while now. I just think they make cool decorations, plus it's a bit of a hobby of mine to learn capital cities.

All the modern versions are, of course, drawn up by the RE conspirators that run the decent print companies. I'm looking for a map as up-to-date as showing Sudan and South Sudan as separate countries, but all the real flat Earth maps available in poster size are cute antique-looking mockeries with dragons in the Indian Ocean.

This did get me thinking, though, that we don't seem to agree about how our map should look. The Globalists are, to grudgingly give them their due, consistent in their representation of the Earth (which only stands to reason - it's easy to get a few billion sheep to agree upon a lie, whereas the truth invites dispute). And the other thing... and I'm just playing devil's advocate here... it seems to...

well...

it works.

It's a well constructed lie. It models things like the times of sunsets and the position of the stars at least as well as our model. On the other hand, we don't even have an agreed-upon arrangement of the major landmasses. And the representations we do have tend to be, gratingly, photoshopped RE maps. I don't mean to criticise, I'm not saying that cartography is an easy discipline. I'm just a bit shaken by these thoughts.

Could someone please offer up their opinion on which is the most accurate world map we've got so far? (Even better if you can point me in the direction of where I might be able to buy a poster!)

Many thanks, friends

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Flat Earth Theory / If the Earth were really round...
« on: April 13, 2017, 01:47:12 PM »
...then why would it be so hard to convince us?

Despite your claims to have a wealth of strong evidence for Round Earth Theory, there are still thousands of Flat Earthers, all around the world! Including some very ingenious and deliberate thinkers. If it were truly clear that the Earth wasn't flat, do you not think we'd accept it?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angle that the sun should be at sunset
« on: April 07, 2017, 08:23:45 PM »
Sweet, thanks for replying!

Unfortunately it doesn't seem like the Electromagnetic Accelerator equation is ready to be applied yet, as per your suggestion. Bishop's constant hasn't been defined and the theory isn't complete yet, let alone experimentally verified (reportedly the theory was close to complete three years ago, so hopefully the first experiments will be just around the corner!)

In any case it's very mathsy. I had to look up GCSE trigonometry to pose my question properly in the first place, so does anybody out there have a layman's answer for me?

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Flat Earth Theory / Angle that the sun should be at sunset
« on: April 07, 2017, 11:52:09 AM »
Howdi, folks.

Sorry to hear about Shaq's betrayal.

Anyway, I live in Nottingham, UK, and right now as I post this the sun is somewhere over Cameroon. About eight hours from now it will be over the Pacific due south of Baja California, somewhere between the tropic of cancer and the equator, roughly 6600 miles from me. I will be well into civil twilight, going on nautical twilight. I will have watched the sun sink below the horizon, yet if it maintains a height of roughly 3000 miles above the surface of our flat earth, I should still, with my telescope, expect to find it around 27° above my eyeline.

How are we reconciling this?

Resources are https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html?iso=20170407T1932 to find out where the sun is, https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm to approximate distances around the world, and http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/trig-finding-angle-right-triangle.html because I haven't used trigonometry in nearly two decades.

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