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« Reply #9240 on: October 01, 2021, 10:26:00 AM »
What a massive distraction from the facts of the matter: that a hand recount increases Biden’s lead, no evidence of fraud was found and that the discrepancies could have legitimate explanations.
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« Reply #9241 on: October 01, 2021, 11:03:46 AM »
Tom needs to save some copium for the other struggling “Stop the Steal” Republicans. I have to admit though, his constant refusal to admit the slightest deficiency in his arguements despite the gaping holes, is commendable in a tragic way.
lol, I see he's still squirming away. It's all a bit embarrassing for him.
It's commendable in a "Blank Knight" way I guess. "'Tis but a flesh wound".
But it does show a rather alarming detachment from reality. I hope for his sake he's just trolling.
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« Reply #9242 on: October 01, 2021, 11:43:08 AM »
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a hand recount increases Biden’s lead

Irrelevant if those ballots are questionable.

could have legitimate explanations.

Really? What's the legitimate explanation to this one about duplicate ballots being counted in the election and an increase of illegible signatures after election day:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/arizona-audit-finds-25-30-duplicated-ballots-received-november-4th-9th-knew-many-ballots-needed/

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Dr. V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai shared the explosive results from his team’s analysis of the Early Advance Ballot (EVB) envelopes as the first presenter at the Arizona Senate hearing on the results of the 2020 election in Maricopa County.

During his presentation, he gave evidence of over 17,000 duplicate votes that were illegally counted in the final certified tally.

When Dr. Shiva refers to “duplicate ballots,” he means “voters sent in 2 or more ballots” that were counted.



According to Dr. Shiva, there was a massive surge of duplicate ballots AFTER the polls closed on election day. Between November 4th and November 9th, “25-30%” of all double votes were received by election officials, eventually getting counted in the final total.

Curious timing, no?



Dr. Shiva and his research team were able to track the timing of the duplicate ballots by looking at the timestamps of all Early Voting Ballots that were received by election officials.

What they found appears to be evidence of coordinated fraud.

To make the data easier to digest, his team built a graph that shows when every early ballot was received, starting on 10/9/2020 – when the first ballot was sent in.



When the researchers layered in the duplicate ballot submissions, the results jump clearly off the screen.

As you can see in the photo below, the orange-colored line representing the ‘duplicate ballots’ breaks away from the baseline total that it had been closely mirroring and skyrockets upward.



Also, notice how there is a slight spike in duplicates ballots at each point where the mail-in count drops – Very odd, it’s almost as if the Maricopa election officials were able to get some free time to find a couple of extras in the printer.

The calculated ‘anomaly’ after election day that Dr. Shiva uncovered doesn’t only include duplicate ballots, it also includes a large increase in the number of ballots that had either no signature (Red line) or a “scribble”(Green line) on the verification envelope.

Keep in mind, the majority of early mail-in ballots were received during the weeks LEADING UP TO election day, the fact that so many came in after polls should be investigated.

To make it even easier for people to visualize the unbelievable flip, Dr. Shiva changed the type of graph and showed how the signed ballots that were arriving in the weeks leading up to the election compared to the ones arriving a few days after – and no surprise, more blatant signs of fraud.




The 17,000+ votes are enough on their own to nullify Biden’s narrow ‘victory’ in Arizona. The State needs to DECERTIFY NOW.

The full video of Dr. Shiva's presentation is here:

https://rumble.com/vmya6b-presentation-of-maricopa-county-audit-dr.-shiva-ayyadurai.html
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« Reply #9243 on: October 01, 2021, 11:55:52 AM »
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a hand recount increases Biden’s lead

Irrelevant if those ballots are questionable.

could have legitimate explanations.

Really? What's the legitimate explanation to this one about duplicate ballots being counted in the election and an increase of illegible signatures after election day:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/arizona-audit-finds-25-30-duplicated-ballots-received-november-4th-9th-knew-many-ballots-needed/

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Dr. V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai shared the explosive results from his team’s analysis of the Early Advance Ballot (EVB) envelopes as the first presenter at the Arizona Senate hearing on the results of the 2020 election in Maricopa County.

During his presentation, he gave evidence of over 17,000 duplicate votes that were illegally counted in the final certified tally.

When Dr. Shiva refers to “duplicate ballots,” he means “voters sent in 2 or more ballots” that were counted.



According to Dr. Shiva, there was a massive surge of duplicate ballots AFTER the polls closed on election day. Between November 4th and November 9th, “25-30%” of all double votes were received by election officials, eventually getting counted in the final total.

Curious timing, no?



Dr. Shiva and his research team were able to track the timing of the duplicate ballots by looking at the timestamps of all Early Voting Ballots that were received by election officials.

What they found appears to be evidence of coordinated fraud.

To make the data easier to digest, his team built a graph that shows when every early ballot was received, starting on 10/9/2020 – when the first ballot was sent in.



When the researchers layered in the duplicate ballot submissions, the results jump clearly off the screen.

As you can see in the photo below, the orange-colored line representing the ‘duplicate ballots’ breaks away from the baseline total that it had been closely mirroring and skyrockets upward.



Also, notice how there is a slight spike in duplicates ballots at each point where the mail-in count drops – Very odd, it’s almost as if the Maricopa election officials were able to get some free time to find a couple of extras in the printer.

The calculated ‘anomaly’ after election day that Dr. Shiva uncovered doesn’t only include duplicate ballots, it also includes a large increase in the number of ballots that had either no signature (Red line) or a “scribble”(Green line) on the verification envelope.

Keep in mind, the majority of early mail-in ballots were received during the weeks LEADING UP TO election day, the fact that so many came in after polls should be investigated.

To make it even easier for people to visualize the unbelievable flip, Dr. Shiva changed the type of graph and showed how the signed ballots that were arriving in the weeks leading up to the election compared to the ones arriving a few days after – and no surprise, more blatant signs of fraud.




The 17,000+ votes are enough on their own to nullify Biden’s narrow ‘victory’ in Arizona. The State needs to DECERTIFY NOW.

The full video of Dr. Shiva's presentation is here:

https://rumble.com/vmya6b-presentation-of-maricopa-county-audit-dr.-shiva-ayyadurai.html

Perhaps you should research your own questions?

https://www.abc15.com/news/arizona-election-audit/arizona-election-audit-fact-check-were-there-17-322-duplicate-ballots

The duplicate images do not indicate that multiple ballots were cast.
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« Reply #9244 on: October 01, 2021, 12:05:53 PM »
In that link it gives possible reasons for a duplicate ballot and then claims without evidence that only one ballot was counted.

"while duplicate envelope images can occur, they only represent one ballot that will be counted."

That's zero evidence, just a statement. What kind of evidence is that?

Dr. Shiva, a paid expert consultant auditor with actual access to the materials and election computers argues that the invalid materials are being processed and counted, causing significant inaccuracies. Who's right?

That link also does not address the signatures. Why would a random sampling of the signatures suddenly become illegible after the election?

From the video Shiva says that invalid materials are getting approved and processed:

https://rumble.com/vmya6b-presentation-of-maricopa-county-audit-dr.-shiva-ayyadurai.html

At 36:31 he says that one voter sent in three duplicates with blank signature fields and two were approved:



There is clearly something funny going on if one voter can submit three copies of the materials with blank signatures, with two of them getting approved. Not a lot of quality control here.
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« Reply #9245 on: October 01, 2021, 02:14:25 PM »
There is no evidence of ballots being counted multiple times. These matters pertain to ballot envelopes which must be verified and cured before opening. This has been explained.
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« Reply #9246 on: October 01, 2021, 10:38:29 PM »
Really, and where is the evidence that they weren't counted? The source you provided which makes that statement did not have access to the materials or the computers like the audit people did. The AZ Senate's audit liaison, former Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett, made statements suggesting that the duplicate ballots are being counted, and even goes further to say that the serial numbers on the duplicated ballots are either missing or are very very light and printed in an illegible spot over other markings in comparison to normal ballots.

https://nationalfile.com/breaking-audit-liaison-confirms-thousands-of-duplicate-ballots-had-no-serial-numbers-could-not-be-properly-counted/

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Bennett said that “thousands” of ballots in the duplicate pile had serial numbers “put on by a dot matrix printer, very very light” and there was “none whatsoever on many” ballots. When asked how you would know if ballots are duplicated or not with no serial number, Ken Bennett confirmed that you would NOT know. The stunning revelation provides more substance to President Donald Trump’s assertion that the 2020 election was illegitimate.

If it the system was properly handling duplicates they would be saying that it wasn't a big deal and were properly identified and rectified. However, they are not. It is being brought up as an issue for the AZ Senate. They are suggesting that it is an issue and that the ballots can slip through the system and be processed and that without proper serial numbers you would not know.
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« Reply #9247 on: October 02, 2021, 12:09:29 AM »
Really, and where is the evidence that they weren't counted?

Where's the evidence that duplicates were counted?
How come Bennet's "suggestions" didn't make it into the Ninja's report?
How come the Ninja's froze out Bennet back in July or so from partaking in the audit?

The "Cyber Ninjas" mess turns into a big problem for GOP: Arizona audit liaison threatens to quit
Arizona audit liaison, Ken Bennet, threatens to resign from post during talk show citing Cyber Ninja ethics concern
https://www.salon.com/2021/07/27/the-cyber-ninjas-mess-turning-into-a-big-problem-for-gop-arizona-audit-liaison-threatens-to-quit-_partner/

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« Reply #9248 on: October 02, 2021, 02:54:29 AM »
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Where's the evidence that duplicates were counted?

The evidence is that he had access to the people who were assessing the election materials and computers and you did not.

Quote from: stack
How come Bennet's "suggestions" didn't make it into the Ninja's report?

Cyber Ninja did put it into the report, and says that these sort of discrepancies add ambiguity into the conclusion:

https://c692f527-da75-4c86-b5d1-8b3d5d4d5b43.filesusr.com/ugd/2f3470_a91b5cd3655445b498f9acc63db35afd.pdf



Quote from: stack
How come the Ninja's froze out Bennet back in July or so from partaking in the audit?

The "Cyber Ninjas" mess turns into a big problem for GOP: Arizona audit liaison threatens to quit
Arizona audit liaison, Ken Bennet, threatens to resign from post during talk show citing Cyber Ninja ethics concern
https://www.salon.com/2021/07/27/the-cyber-ninjas-mess-turning-into-a-big-problem-for-gop-arizona-audit-liaison-threatens-to-quit-_partner/

Sounds like you are trying to bring up an issue unrelated to what he saw:

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The spark behind Bennett's threat to resign—unless, he said, the Senate gave him full control of investigating several remaining aspects of the 2020 vote count—was a series of events that culminated last week that involved Bennett working with an outside group of retired election auditors.

Bennett thinks another audit needs to be done with additional scope:

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Bennett said there were serious election administration issues that the review has discovered that needed to be explained and addressed before future elections. Thousands of ballots from members of the military and citizens overseas had not been properly labeled when duplicated (after they came in by e-mail), he said. Some volume of mailed-in ballots that were counted did not have signatures on their outside envelopes and should have been disqualified, he said.

Bennett said that he wanted to investigate these problems and conduct another audit that compared the digital images taken of every ballot by scanners with the county's official spreadsheet of each ballot's votes. The interview concluded with Harris asking Bennett what needed to happen for him to stay on.

"The answer is there are key aspects of the audit that are not even part of the scope of work assigned to Cyber Ninjas," Bennett said. "Some of those other things need to be done independently of Cyber Ninjas, and maybe I can be a coordinator of those other aspects, not done within Cyber Ninjas' realm."
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« Reply #9249 on: October 02, 2021, 04:33:22 AM »
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Where's the evidence that duplicates were counted?

The evidence is that he had access to the people who were assessing the election materials and computers and you did not.

Quote from: stack
How come Bennet's "suggestions" didn't make it into the Ninja's report?

Cyber Ninja did put it into the report, and says that these sort of discrepancies add ambiguity into the conclusion:

https://c692f527-da75-4c86-b5d1-8b3d5d4d5b43.filesusr.com/ugd/2f3470_a91b5cd3655445b498f9acc63db35afd.pdf



Hmmm, no mention of duplicates counted. Go figure.


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« Reply #9250 on: October 02, 2021, 10:55:22 AM »
Tom really needs duplicate envelope images to mean duplicate ballots. Like down in his soul. Otherwise, when Trump takes power any day now, it won’t be legitimate.
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« Reply #9251 on: October 02, 2021, 02:31:02 PM »
Just two more weeks remain to Trump retaking his rightful throne!

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« Reply #9252 on: October 02, 2021, 03:25:31 PM »
The military supports Trump. Just one word from him and they'll have Biden and Harris arrested in an instant. But he's biding his time for now.
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« Reply #9253 on: October 02, 2021, 05:25:20 PM »
The military supports Trump. Just one word from him and they'll have Biden and Harris arrested in an instant. But he's biding his time for now.

Of course.  In all the good stories, the hero only arrives when all hope is lost.  He's gotta ride in like Gandalf at Helmsdeep.


Gandalf is his penis.
Helmsdeep is America.
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« Reply #9254 on: October 09, 2021, 05:24:56 PM »
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Where's the evidence that duplicates were counted?

The evidence is that he had access to the people who were assessing the election materials and computers and you did not.

Quote from: stack
How come Bennet's "suggestions" didn't make it into the Ninja's report?

Cyber Ninja did put it into the report, and says that these sort of discrepancies add ambiguity into the conclusion:

https://c692f527-da75-4c86-b5d1-8b3d5d4d5b43.filesusr.com/ugd/2f3470_a91b5cd3655445b498f9acc63db35afd.pdf



Hmmm, no mention of duplicates counted. Go figure.

Maybe you should watch Dr. Shiva's presentation again. He identified duplicates that the Maricopa County did not identify and report. You are claiming that the county did not count duplicates that they did not know about.

https://rumble.com/vmya6b-presentation-of-maricopa-county-audit-dr.-shiva-ayyadurai.html



From that timestamp - "There were 34,448 total images of which 17322 were duplicates, from 17126 voters. This, by the way and we'll get to it, was not reported"

And later on in the presentation:



"Maricopa reported NO Duplicates in the CANVASS Report"

The county did not report it. If the county didn't report it or know about it, how do you know that duplicates were not counted?

Please show exactly where Maricopa identified and accounted for these duplicates. The auditors appear to believe that the duplicates are not being reported by the county that ran the election. If they aren't being reported then it is a tough sell to argue that they aren't being counted.
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« Reply #9255 on: October 09, 2021, 06:07:05 PM »
Quote from: stack
Where's the evidence that duplicates were counted?

The evidence is that he had access to the people who were assessing the election materials and computers and you did not.

Quote from: stack
How come Bennet's "suggestions" didn't make it into the Ninja's report?

Cyber Ninja did put it into the report, and says that these sort of discrepancies add ambiguity into the conclusion:

https://c692f527-da75-4c86-b5d1-8b3d5d4d5b43.filesusr.com/ugd/2f3470_a91b5cd3655445b498f9acc63db35afd.pdf



Hmmm, no mention of duplicates counted. Go figure.

Maybe you should watch Dr. Shiva's presentation again. He identified duplicates that the Maricopa County did not identify and report. You are claiming that the county did not count duplicates that they did not know about.

I have watched it, several times.

Duplicates, right? "Duplicates" not counted in the canvass, right? "Duplicate" images of what? Duplicate images of ballots? No, "duplicate" images of the envelopes.

Dr. Shiva at about 4:45: "Today...I'm going to be sharing with you a particular area that we looked at which was looking at the early election voting ballot return envelope images..."

"The bulk of Ayyadurai’s (Dr. Shiva) presentation was devoted to the issue of duplicate ballot envelopes. But he displayed a fundamental misunderstanding of what a duplicate ballot image actually meant, declaring to Fann and Senate Judiciary Chairman Warren Petersen, “Each of these voters submitted two ballots.”

That is blatantly false.
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Continuing...

"What Ayyadurai (Dr. Shiva) referred to as duplicate images appeared to refer to multiple ballot envelope images for the same voter. That generally occurs when two images are made of the same ballot envelope, which most often happens when there is a question or issue with a particular envelope.

When election workers verify signatures on ballot envelopes, they look solely at digital images of the box on the envelope where voters are instructed to affix their signatures. If they can’t verify the signature, or if there is no signature, they physically examine the paper envelope for further verification. If election workers are unable to verify a signature but are able to cure it by contacting a voter, that same envelope is re-scanned after being stamped for approval. If there’s no signature, voters can come into the Elections Department to sign it in person
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https://www.azmirror.com/2021/10/01/audit-expert-shiva-ayyadurai-didnt-understand-election-procedures-he-made-a-number-of-false-signature-claims/

Duplicate envelope images does not mean duplicate ballots, i.e., duplicate votes. Since duplicate envelope images aren't considered "duplicate ballots" as defined by election vote counting procedures, they obviously wouldn't be counted as "duplicate" ballots in the canvass report.

It would have been a good thing for Dr. Shiva to have boned up on how ballot count procedures actually work. You know, the difference between envelope images versus actual ballots.

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« Reply #9256 on: October 09, 2021, 06:14:35 PM »
None of that is documented to have happened with those duplicates according to what the auditors are claiming. If there was documentation of this, it wouldn't be a concern. Claiming that this was secretly done and corrected and that incomplete documentation was given to the auditors is a totally invalid response. The auditors were supposed to receive all information. If it wasn't documented then there is no paper trail. The source for your information comes from the defendant themselves, an unreliable source in this context. The auditors are right to question the quality and legitimacy of such a shoddy election.
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« Reply #9257 on: October 09, 2021, 06:24:55 PM »
Hey guys let’s prove a negative from Tom because he is having a hard time moving on.
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« Reply #9258 on: October 14, 2021, 11:46:36 AM »
So Mr Trump says

“If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ‘22 or ‘24,”

Can someone explain how this constitutes a threat? Seems more like a gift to the other side

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« Reply #9259 on: October 14, 2021, 12:19:49 PM »
So Mr Trump says

“If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ‘22 or ‘24,”

Can someone explain how this constitutes a threat? Seems more like a gift to the other side

It is.
And thats the point.  His base failed him.  And you know what Trump does to people who fail him?  He screws them over.  Destroys them.  Makes sure they never get anything again.

He wants to take every dime he can while ensuring republicans NEVER get power again.
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