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Science & Alternative Science / Do rockets push off the air?

« Last post by Realestfake on Today at 04:49:27 AM »

I’d love to get discussion going on this. Do rockets move by pushing off the air?
It sure makes sense.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« Last post by Dr Van Nostrand on Today at 04:16:16 AM »

Or maybe Hunter Biden was just so fucked up on drugs and alcohol that his daddy had to co-sign for his truck. It happens in the trailer parks of South Texas everyday.

But you know those Chinese bastards were in on it somehow.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/04/politics/oversight-committee-hunter-biden-car-payments/index.html

Decades of Trump's documented business ties to Russia, working to  compromise the election, full-on insurrection and now they expect me to take them seriously with this $1300 bullshit. That's the dinner bill at the club for Giuliani and his buddies, Lev and Igor (their actual fucking names).

Meanwhile to bring this thread back to its actual subject, Biden, let us reflect on what the nature of Fox News reporting would look like if they were talking about two Biden family friends that went to prison that were seriously named LEV AND IGOR!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« Last post by ichoosereality on Today at 03:08:37 AM »

...One can sell a relationship for gain without actually doing anything.  Hunter doesn't need to even communicate to his father to use his father's position to his advantage.  Networking is literally the most effective way to get a job and what better way than to namedrop your famous dad?

Absolutely, and even beyond getting the job, having a namedropable person on your board can be an advantage even if they never do anything.  In some deal one CEO says to another "well you know we have the Presidents son on our board...".  All the more so in areas where influence is at times pedaled this way, but it need not always be so.  Just the appearance of the possibility can easily be enough.  If it went further in this case I have no idea, but it need not have done so and I am not aware of any evidence that it did.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« Last post by Lord Dave on December 05, 2023, 08:20:13 PM »

We appear to be at the point where you guys are claiming that multiple Biden family members were being bribed by foreign country entities to trick Joe Biden into influencing policy decisions, but Joe Biden didn't know about it.

No one is suggesting this.
Also, please point to policies that the VP of America enacted on behalf of foriegn governments through Hunter. >_>

So far, they might have Hunter Biden on selling his father's position for his own gain.  But they haven't linked anything illegal to Joe Biden.

Ok. So you admit that Hunter Biden was selling access to his father's power (through tricking his father into influencing or doing things). How can you maintain that congress doesn't need to investigate that?

If I tell you that Bill Gates is my best friend and I can totally put in a good word for you, does that mean Bill Gates is doing what I say?

Please stop putting words in my mouth.  One can sell a relationship for gain without actually doing anything.  Hunter doesn't need to even communicate to his father to use his father's position to his advantage.  Networking is literally the most effective way to get a job and what better way than to namedrop your famous dad? 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« Last post by Tom Bishop on December 05, 2023, 04:41:51 PM »

We appear to be at the point where you guys are claiming that multiple Biden family members were being bribed by foreign country entities to trick Joe Biden into influencing policy decisions, but Joe Biden didn't know about it.

So far, they might have Hunter Biden on selling his father's position for his own gain.  But they haven't linked anything illegal to Joe Biden.

Ok. So you admit that Hunter Biden was selling access to his father's power (through tricking his father into influencing or doing things). How can you maintain that congress doesn't need to investigate that?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« Last post by Lord Dave on December 05, 2023, 08:32:40 AM »

Is trying to profit off the presidency and informally sell access to power illegal or not? You can't say that it's not a big deal when Trump and his family do it and then flip out when a couple of Biden's relatives (not even Biden himself, just his relatives) try to do something similar.

And democrats claimed Trump had russian influence for 2.

Don't let conservatives rewrite history on this. There is ample evidence that Russia wanted Trump elected and interfered with the 2016 election to achieve that goal. Now, is there any proof that Trump only won because of that interference? No. Does this mean that the 2016 election was somehow invalid or illegitimate? No. And is acknowledging this interference in any way "equivalent" to Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election? No, absolutely not. But it happened, no matter how much conservatives wish that it didn't.

You misunderstand.  I meant that Trump was being directly influenced/bribed/blackmailed by Russia, not that Russia wanted him in power.  Thats a given.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« Last post by honk on December 05, 2023, 05:58:54 AM »

Is trying to profit off the presidency and informally sell access to power illegal or not? You can't say that it's not a big deal when Trump and his family do it and then flip out when a couple of Biden's relatives (not even Biden himself, just his relatives) try to do something similar.

And democrats claimed Trump had russian influence for 2.

Don't let conservatives rewrite history on this. There is ample evidence that Russia wanted Trump elected and interfered with the 2016 election to achieve that goal. Now, is there any proof that Trump only won because of that interference? No. Does this mean that the 2016 election was somehow invalid or illegitimate? No. And is acknowledging this interference in any way "equivalent" to Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election? No, absolutely not. But it happened, no matter how much conservatives wish that it didn't.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« Last post by Dr Van Nostrand on December 05, 2023, 01:43:22 AM »

It took them years to find a micropenis of evidence involving less dollars than Russia donated to the NRA under the Trump administration. Too bad they don't bring that same level of scrutiny to their own idiots like Trump and Santos. If they ask the Bidens about any of this, all they would have to do is quote the Trump Family Defense, "I don't remember."

The Democrats were quick to chase Menendez out of the Senate. But the Republicans were covering for a guy who lied about his mom being in 9/11 and his grandparents being in the Holocaust. The hypocrisy is particularly stark when you think about they would say if Biden gave the unhinged, gaffe-filled, speeches that Trump has given lately.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« Last post by Lord Dave on December 04, 2023, 11:22:43 PM »

They do claim to have evidence for the Biden's pay-for-play schemes - https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/

They've had the same claim for what.... 4 years? 
Trump has claimed election fraud for 8.
And democrats claimed Trump had russian influence for 2.

None of them produced any usable evidence so you'll excuse me if I don't trust a press release.

It's not the same four year old claims. They have been posting new evidence and new claims to the link I gave all year. They most recently added something today December 4th -

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-releases-direct-monthly-payments-to-joe-biden-from-hunter-bidens-business-entity%ef%bf%bc/

"WASHINGTON—Today, House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) released subpoenaed bank records revealing Hunter Biden’s business entity, Owasco PC, made direct monthly payments to Joe Biden. "

What years?  That would seem to be important.  And how much?  Because if its like $1,000 a month for the political campaign, it would make sense.  Hell, every politician gets money from businesses, sad as it is.

Hunter Biden is currently under an investigation by the Department of Justice for using the Owasco PC corporate account for tax evasion and other serious crimes.

I look forward to seeing how that goes or if charges are ever brought.

Following subpoenas to obtain Biden family associates’ bank records, Chairman Comer issued subpoenas for Hunter and James Biden’s personal and business bank records. The House Oversight Committee has identified over 20 shell companies and uncovered how the Bidens and their associates raked in over $24 million dollars between 2015 and 2019 by selling Joe Biden as “the brand.” Financial records obtained show Hunter Biden’s business account, Owasco PC, received payments from Chinese-state linked companies and other foreign nationals and companies."

And?  Selling famous people as a brand is a time honored tradition.  Tho wasn't Trump president during half of that time, not Biden?  Sounds like we need a better breakdown of the time period.  If biden was sold as "the brand" when he wasn't VP, wouldn't help your case.  Hell, him being VP and being sold as a brand isn't really all that unusual. 
I mean, Trump himself made $24 in 2018 alone.  You know, when he was president.

And Chinese-state linked companies needs clarification because that means nothing.  Tik-Tok is a chinese state linked company and if you get ad money from tik-tok... you get money from a chinese-state linked company! He could also own stocks in these companies, which would earn him income from the stocks and the company itself.  They should have released more information like which companies, how much, and what the payments were for.

So far, they might have Hunter Biden on selling his father's position for his own gain.  But they haven't linked anything illegal to Joe Biden.