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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #200 on: August 10, 2015, 03:52:45 PM »
Of course, there has always been debate about whether Christianity is or is not idolatry. Since Christians do worship a man, that could be classified as idolatry under Halachic rulings. Even so, that would not permit burning of Churches, any more than Halacha would permit burning of Hindu temples, and Hinduism is, by anybody's (meaning any Abrahamic) definition, idolatrous.

There are, without doubt, a few radical Jews running around. Gophstein is one of them. Then again, there are some pretty radical Christians as well. The ones in the Central African Republic that are even now forcing Muslims to renounce their faith for Christianity or be killed would be an example of that.

Since we don't believe in Satan as a Devil figure, it would be hard to follow him in the way that idiot anti-Semites say we do. And the Henry Makow article is so full of factual errors, its just stupid. The first and most blatant is the statement that Jews pray in Yiddish.

Yiddish, or Judeo-German, although it is now a separate language, is the secular language of Ashkenazi Jews, ie, Jews of the Diaspora who settled in Central Europe and Russia. Ladino or Judeo-Spanish, is the secular language of Jews who settled in Spain and Portugal, and later made their homes in the Ottoman Empire and Greece, and parts of the Arab World. Judeo-Arabic and Yemeni Arabic are the secular languages of Jews who made their homes the wider Arab World in the first case, and in Yemen in the second case.

In no event were ANY of these languages used for worship in the synagogue. Hebrew has ALWAYS been the language of prayer, with some occasional lapses into Aramaic on the High Holy Days. Aramaic is a language closely related to Hebrew that was spoken as the lingua franca of the Holy Land during the time when Jesus supposedly lived (assuming he lived at all, which is debatable).

It is true that the Hebrew spoken by Ashkenazi Jews vs the Hebrew spoken by pretty much all other Jews is a slight bit different. The difference is NOT one of language or vocabulary, but purely one of pronunciation. For whatever reason, the Ashkenaz developed some peculiar ways of pronouncing certain letters of the Hebrew language. However, it is still Hebrew. It is NOT Yiddish.

If you tried to tell a Jew of any variety, Ashkenaz or otherwise, that he was praying in Yiddish during his prayers, he would most likely get offended enough to be very tempted to punch you in the jaw. Hebrew is laShon ha Kodesh, the Holy Tongue. No other language is good enough to use in worship, by Orthodox standards. Although according to Halacha, one is permitted to use any language that one personally understands to say one's prayers, I know of VERY few Jews other than myself who use anything other than Hebrew for their prayers. I use Elizabethan English, and that is because of my unique background, which I have detailed in other areas on this site.

To even suggest that a Jew prays in Yiddish is the stupidest thing I have even heard. I know you did not make that suggestion, but rather, the article you quoted did. So I don't blame you personally. I shall consider you ignorant of the truth, and not hold you accountable. But the fool who would write an article that he wants to be taken as fact and make such a blatant error is guilty of one of three things. Either (1), he is an idiot, or (2), he is a liar, or (3), he is both. Unfortunately, I expect he is number (3).

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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #201 on: August 11, 2015, 08:25:05 AM »
methinks you doth protest too much, jew!   >:(




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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #202 on: August 11, 2015, 08:27:25 AM »
Quit your jibbering. Christianity is just as dope as Judaism.
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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #203 on: August 11, 2015, 09:56:28 AM »
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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #204 on: August 11, 2015, 01:23:23 PM »
You didn't address the subject at hand. The article you quoted suggested that Jews pray in Yiddish. This is untrue. So I shall ask you straight out. Did you know and voluntarily hide the truth? In that case you are a liar. Or did you not know, which would make you ignorant? Be truthful now.

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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #205 on: August 11, 2015, 01:59:38 PM »
So far, EVERYTHING the Mad Monk says applies to secular Jews. I don't get it. As a religious Jew, I tend to dislike them as much as you do, although not on "racial" (since Jews are not a race) or ethnic grounds. Non-religious Jews tend to make a mockery of ANY religion, not just Christianity. I'm not going to go out and suggest that they should all be killed, or anything radical like that, but I do tend to have a strong dislike for them.

In fact, I would say that non-religious Jews tend to make a mockery of Judaism even moreso than they do Christianity. A Rabbi went to Leon Trotsky, whose real name was Lev Bronstein. He was an atheist Jew, and as you all probably know, he was a Bolshevik. Said Rabbi had been sent by the Jewish community in Russia (obviously the religious community) to ask for a bit of a break from the brutal Communist policies then in effect, as they applied to how people exercised their religious beliefs.

Trotsky's response was of course negative. He told the Rabbi that he could offer him nothing. The Rabbi looked at him sadly and said,"I see. So, the Trotskys make the laws, and the Bronsteins pay the price."

You see, Bickles, you simplify things far too much. For you, there is only "the Jewish bogeyman". You don't bother to calculate that there are 15 million persons in the world who are halachically Jewish. Among those 15 million persons, approximately HALF are non-religious. Now, among that half you will find about half of them (about 3.25 million) who just live their life like anyone else. And then you have the other 7.5 million that are religious in some form or other, MOSTLY Orthodox, but also Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist. Trust me, these are NOT the ones that you are going to find in gay pride parades, or starring in porn, or mocking Christianity, or anything else weird or otherwise perverse. They have better things to do than commit sins of that nature, and it should be noted that mocking another man's religion IS a sin, be it Christianity or anything else.

So that leaves you with about 3.25 million persons that are both non-religious, and possibly offensive assholes, although I would actually put the number at less than that, but I shall, for the sake of argument, grant that number, just to be getting on with. And I, as much as you, regret the fact that they exist.

But, when you think about it, given the fact that the Gentile world makes up all but 0.02% of the world's population of over 7 billion persons, and 16% of that population calls itself non-religious, assuming that half that are decent, and the other half are assholes, that is A LOT of assholes in gay pride parades, or starring in porn, or mocking Christianity, or anything else weird or otherwise perverse.

So, lets put it all in perspective. The lines are not nearly as clearly drawn as you would like them to be. In fact, they aren't as clearly drawn as I draw them here! I know a few gay persons who would never mock religion of any sort. While I don't agree with who they choose to have sex with, I won't accuse them of things of which they are not guilty.

Think, Bickles! I have to hope that there is some semblance of logic in your head. Consider well how you respond to the argument above. It will determine how you are seen by others. Consider well your thoughts, and don't respond in anger, but respond with thought and logic.

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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #206 on: August 11, 2015, 02:16:02 PM »
the overwhelming majority of jews (whether secular or 'religious') actively and viciously oppose Christianity;

if they didn't do that, then, i wouldn't have much of an issue with them;

apart, of course, from their Holocaustianity....which, even if it was true (which a 10-yr old could tell you it ain't :( ), its way past high time that they SHUT UP abt;

i think Norman Finkelstein (one of the small handful of jews i have any time for) said it best when he called it a scam industry
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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #207 on: August 11, 2015, 02:49:10 PM »
the overwhelming majority of jews (whether secular or 'religious') actively and viciously oppose Christianity;

I don't know of any religious Jew who "viciously oppose(s) Christianity", although of course we disagree with it. Then again so does any Hindu, Muslim, or what-have-you. Most religious Jews just want to be left alone. As far as the secular variety, I'll grant that about half of them, like I said in my above post, viciously oppose not just Christianity, but any religion, because they tend to be atheist assholes. In fact, they tend to oppose Judaism more than they do any other religion!

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if they didn't do that, then, i wouldn't have much of an issue with them;

apart, of course, from their Holocaustianity....which, even if it was true (which a 10-yr old could tell you it ain't :( ), its way past high time that they SHUT UP abt;

i think Norman Finkelstein (one of the small handful of jews i have any time for) said it best when he called it a scam industry[/color][/size][/font]

Obviously we are going to disagree here, in terms of whether the Holocaust happened. HOWEVER, I shall go with you this far: Although I believe, like any human being, that the deaths of 11 million persons (6 million Jews and 5 million others, 1 million of whom were Gypsies [Hitler had the same goal for them that he had for us] and 4 million others that simply got in the way of Hitler's mad dream) should not be forgotten, I do think that many Jews do spend ENTIRELY too much time worrying about the matter.

In other words, I am saying that it was 70 years ago. Although we must not forget it, by any means, and the lessons from it must be learned well, it is well past time to stop playing the eternal effing victim over it.

The pain runs deep, and I understand that. When you lose your entire family to a madman's fancy, it is all too easy to hold on to that, but I agree with you that it is time to let the past go, and move on. Most of the people that were responsible are dead. 70 years on, it is time to carry on. At least, that is my view. Granted, I am only one person, but there you are.

Of course, you and I will disagree fundamentally on the question of whether it happened or not. But, assuming that it did, I agree it is high time to move forward, not to forget, but at least to stop playing the victim, at least to the degree that SOME (not all) Jews do.

And I assure you, we don't all do that. You tend to hear the ones that do. The loudest wheel gets the grease, especially in a country like Australia, where our population is practically nil in the first place.

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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #208 on: August 12, 2015, 01:12:00 PM »
i post these personal testimonies (one of former USMC staff sergeant Shawn Weed and one of a former atheist, Brian Melvin [now no longer an atheist!  ::) ] ) because they provide unusual insights into what "Hell" actually is;

i contend that neither of these testimonies contradict Scripture but they certainly give additional insight;

Weed's testimony provides an interesting perspective on what may lie beyond the Earth 'snow-globe'...a chaotic region of quantum instability and uncertainty (Enoch refers to such a region in the BoE);

(for me, the really unsettling thing abt Weed's testimony is that, apparently, he did not even know he was dead..... :o ....he actually thought he was still alive, moving around, sitting down, walking, talking &c.....in that light...."death" doesn't sound so traumatic after all, does it?  ::) .....clearly, its not 'deat', per se, that you should fear but what comes after......that is: unless yr right with Jesus Christ.....then...."the coast is clear"   :-B  )

Melvin's testimony shows that Hell is not necessarily all fire, brim-stone and torture....although that is, certainly, a major part of it.....most likely reserved for the worst of sinners  :(

his account of "cubes" is very interesting....considering that they are sort of "fifth dimensional" (Dr Who fans will recognise this allusion)......


Shawn Weed...


Brian Melvin.....

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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #209 on: August 12, 2015, 02:19:03 PM »
fake and gay

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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #210 on: August 24, 2015, 12:04:39 PM »


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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #211 on: August 26, 2015, 08:08:09 AM »
Marc Bolan, of T Rex fame (who i used to listen to as a v small 'nipper'  ::) ) is reputed to have "sold his soul to the Devil" for fame and fortune;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Bolan ;

wonder where he is now and if he regrets his few, brief yrs of fame?

on that note.....an interesting little 'read'......

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Miscellaneous/satanic_roots_of_rock.htm ;
( much more here )


John Lennon....where is he now?


John Lennon publicly mocked the Lord Jesus Christ;
that was stupid, stupid, STUPID;   :P
@ the very least, he should'v kept his thoughts to him-self or close friends;
interesting, that, whilst crying out to Jesus in Hell, the Lord wouldn't even look @ him!  :(
how pathetic!

can "deals with the Devil" be annulled?
YES!
but only by the blood of Jesus Christ and only if you fully and sincerely repent and turn to Him and are filled with the Holy Ghost!
every 'concession' that the Devil gives you has steel cables of conditions attached.....its not worth it :(
(he who 'dines with the Devil' must foot the bill!)
only a fool would willingly 'deal' with a psychopath!   :-\

instead, "make a deal" with Jesus Christ.... His yoke is easy and His burden is light   ;D
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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #212 on: August 26, 2015, 08:44:44 AM »
Jesus Christ can save from the gutter-most to the utter-most....BUT...no man cometh to the Son unless the Father draweth him......   :o


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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #213 on: August 26, 2015, 08:47:45 AM »
what awaits you if you die this very night?


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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #214 on: August 26, 2015, 09:47:51 AM »
A cold wet hole in the ground.
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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #215 on: August 26, 2015, 12:51:28 PM »

John Lennon publicly mocked the Lord Jesus Christ;
that was stupid, stupid, STUPID;   :P
@ the very least, he should'v kept his thoughts to him-self or close friends;

I thought that Jesus could read your mind and would judge you accordingly even if you silently didn't believe in him.  Is this no longer the case?

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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #217 on: August 26, 2015, 10:19:18 PM »
John Lennon publicly mocked the Lord Jesus Christ;
that was stupid, stupid, STUPID;   :P
@ the very least, he should'v kept his thoughts to him-self or close friends;
Maybe he thought that Jesus has a better sense of humor than you do.
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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #218 on: August 28, 2015, 09:12:07 PM »
Dude, at least Bickles can write. He at least manages to put connected sentences together so that coherent thoughts come forth. You write like you're on marijuana. I can't even understand what you're trying to say here.
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Re: A Commentary on Religion and its Societal Implications
« Reply #219 on: August 29, 2015, 06:56:54 AM »
I agree with beardo.